The Falling Away - pre-trib rapture or ???

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I am from missouri.
Show me.

Remember, according to you, no gathering untill after a great trib ...and you said that is ALWAYS the case.

Great trib.....then judgement.

Then I Showed you that os not the case.

Your come back is " hmmm, i need to cancel him"

Not a honest come back.

Get a bible and lets go.

General dagger verses ?????

Nope. Not an answer.

Got bible????????
What is "os" that you showed me?
 
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""What you CANNOT show from Scripture is Jesus coming to the sky above earth, and taking resurrected believers up to heaven. And THAT is the core principle of the "pre-trib theory".""

Lol

1thes 4. Read it for the first time.

Take the workbook off the table
Clear your mind of some imaginary pretrib boogey man and read it.


16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

You are welcome
1 Thess and 2 Thess are against pre-trib.

They are in PERFECT Harmony with Matthew 24
 
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Yes
Before the flood.

Mat 24.
Pretrib

"BEFORE"

Solid bible.
Easy to defend


I still am waiting for a single postrib rapture verse.
There are none. .......at lest in 40 years of study, nobody has yet to find one
 
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Pretrib

"BEFORE"

Solid bible.
Easy to defend


I still am waiting for a single postrib rapture verse.
There are none. .......at lest in 40 years of study, nobody has yet to find one
pre-trib is impossible

Before the Flood is, and always will be = Pre-Wrath = Delivered Before His Wrath
 
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All you have come up with is s verse in matt. Where angels gathered elect in heaven.

That is the only verse i squeezed out of you.

I would not want your job
 
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pre-trib is impossible

Before the Flood is, and always will be = Pre-Wrath = Delivered Before His Wrath
And remember, you add imaginary great trib to noah and lot. Preflood as if the 4 horsemen came to earth before the flood and killed all those refusing the mark, polluted the ocean and wild beast turned on humanity.

Ridiculous

Your deal is not bible at all.
 
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FreeGrace2 said:
OK then. Show me the verses. (referring to Jesus taking resurrected believers to heaven.

lol. Where in Acts 1 did Jesus take resurrected believers to heaven with Him???


Actually, 2 Thess 2:1-3 devastates the pretrib theory.


Don't need to have anything changed. The Bible is quite clear enough. What a refresher?

Acts 24:15 - and I have the same hope in God as these men themselves have, that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked.

This is clear; there is ONE resurrection for the saved and ONE resurrection for the unsaved.

1 Cor 15:23 - But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.

This verse is clear; regarding the resurrection of the saved, Jesus was resurrected as firstfruits, and then, "when He comes", obviously referring to the Second Advent, EVERY saved person, "those who belong to Him". This applies from Adam on.

So, there will be ONE resurrection of ALL the saved. It cannot occur before the Trib as you presume, because of the martyrs.

Rev 20-
4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. Theyhad not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Since these are those who lost their heads IN the Trib, the words "came to life" is an obvious reference to the single resurrection of the saved.

5(The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection.

This verse very clearly describes this SINGLE resurrection of the saved (Acts 24:15) as the FIRST ONE.

And, there cannot be a resurrection BEFORE the FIRST one.


It all occurs as the Bible says, not how you fantasize.


No. There is NO pretrib rapture.

But, why are you so anti-2 Thess 2:1-3?
BTW.

"LIKE MANNER"

TIE THAT IN WITH YOUR DOCTRINE.

i will wait

Show me what that is talking about.
 
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And remember, you add imaginary great trib to noah and lot. Preflood as if the 4 horsemen came to earth before the flood and killed all those refusing the mark, polluted the ocean and wild beast turned on humanity.

Ridiculous

Your deal is not bible at all.
God's word is imaginary? Only eight souls saved is imaginary???
 
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pre-trib is impossible

Before the Flood is, and always will be = Pre-Wrath = Delivered Before His Wrath
If you are saying The rapture is around mid trib or " pre wrath" then you are saying the white horses are descending in the middle of the gt.
Correct?
 
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pre-trib is impossible

Before the Flood is, and always will be = Pre-Wrath = Delivered Before His Wrath
But the imaginary 4 horsemen didnt get to Noah because he was protected correct.

But A third of mankind died preflood correct?

I mean lets apply your doctrine to it.
 
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But the imaginary 4 horsemen didnt get to Noah because he was protected correct.

But A third of mankind died preflood correct?

I mean lets apply your doctrine to it.
The four Hoursemen are not part of Noah's great tribulation = 4 HM are in Revelation
 
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pre-trib is impossible

Before the Flood is, and always will be = Pre-Wrath = Delivered Before His Wrath
Lots of creativity and scrambling trying to show an imaginary gt before the flood.

Whew.

Impossible task.

I am glad i do not have your job.
 
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How so??? = ONLY eight (8) people survived = HELLO, Holy Spirit to Brother Absolutely = HELLO, anybody home???
You claim gt always preceeds judgement.

So gt needs to be applied to Noah and Lot.

That is your deal and belief and doctrine.

You should tie it in.

Should be so simple.

Yet you dodge your own concoction.

Btw.
That deal is totally made up.

You painted yourself into a corner.
Big time
 
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The four Hoursemen are not part of Noah's great tribulation = 4 HM are in Revelation
Oh no

They kick off the gt.

So tie them in before the flood.

You said gt ALWAYS PRECEDED judgement.

So tie it in for us unlearned
 
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You claim gt always preceeds judgement.

So gt needs to be applied to Noah and Lot.

That is your deal and belief and doctrine.

You should tie it in.

Should be so simple.

Yet you dodge your own concoction.

Btw.
That deal is totally made up.

You painted yourself into a corner.
Big time
The GREATEST TRIBULATION the world had ever seen took place in Noah's days while GOD waited until the Ark was being built and completed = AFTER THAT = God's Wrath was poured out.

SAME as Matthew 24 and 1 Thess and 2 Thess and 1 Timothy 4 and 1 John 2:18-19 and James 5 and Revelation
 
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The GREATEST TRIBULATION the world had ever seen took place in Noah's days while GOD waited until the Ark was being built and completed = AFTER THAT = God's Wrath was poured out.

SAME as Matthew 24 and 1 Thess and 2 Thess and 1 Timothy 4 and 1 John 2:18-19 and James 5 and Revelation
The bible betrays you.
Over and over

Mat 24
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,



Wow...EXACTLY OPPOSITE OF YOUR DOCTRINE.

Do you ever check things out????