Gods Standard of Righteousness

[eternally-gratefull]

Hey, man...

here is how I know that I come short of God's standard...because the law shows it to me (Romans 3:20).

If you know that you are a sinner, then I believe that you know that by the law.

Paul considered that he had a clear conscience and that he did not consider that there was anything against him worthy of judgment (1 Corinthians 4:3-4).

If we walk in the light as God is in the light, we have fellowship with one another and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanseth us from all sin (1 John 1:7).

I believe that the law is that light (Proverbs 6:23). The Holy Spirit is also that light.

Job said the following,

Job 9:21, Though I were perfect, yet would I not know my soul: I would despise my life.

If the Lord therefore cleanses you from all sin, you may be completely unaware of the work that He has done in you.

This is why I believe we should rely on the Holy Spirit to pinpoint sin in our lives as He sees fit; and to not consider our sins at other times.

When we do not see sin in our own lives, we are not justified by this; but He who judges us is the Lord (1 Corinthians 4:3-4).

But it is not necessarily a bad thing for us to have a clear conscience as Paul spoke of himself as having in the verses referenced above.

The law showed me that 45 years ago

I know it today. Because I look at the time I serve self and not others. I look at the time I know to do good and don;t do it. I look at the time I fail to love God

I look to the law and I see myself as a prety good dude. Because I live the commands and do not break them

when I look to God and the law of Christ, I see myself as a wicked evil person who is not even close to living up to Gods standard. And like so many, if I were in Gods pretense today I would fall on my face

Keep looking to the law. You will not see how evil you really are.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Rom 7:11, For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
Rom 7:12, Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:13, Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

The command is perfect

we are not

the command is what condemns you my friend\

WAKE UP!

 

[justbyfaith]

Unless your perfect.

\You are not even “practically” close to meeting Gods demand as shown in the law

1Jo 3:7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

Rom 5:19, For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Mat 5:6, Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/the-doctrine-of-entire-sanctification.202171/

 

[justbyfaith]

1. You can argue until your blue in the face. You will not prove the KJV is perfect.
2. We are being sanctified as our life is changed and we are set apart in action. (In deeds and a lifestyle)

You reject the testimony of the kjv at your own peril.

For I say to you by the Holy Ghost, that it may very well be that adhering to the kjv is an aspect of the narrow path that is spoken of in Matthew 7:13-14, in today's world.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

1Jo 3:7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

Rom 5:19, For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Mat 5:6, Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/the-doctrine-of-entire-sanctification.202171/

Lol
your not righteous as god demands
that’s why you have no comprehension of true sanctification
gods standard is perfection. You are not there yet non of us are
but we walk toward that goal as Paul did. Because that’s our mission

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You reject the testimony of the kjv at your own peril.

For I say to you by the Holy Ghost, that it may very well be that adhering to the kjv is an aspect of the narrow path that is spoken of in Matthew 7:13-14, in today's world.

The luv is an English translation
for that reason alone it is flawed

 

[justbyfaith]

The ten commands are the minister of death

Rom 7:11, For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
Rom 7:12, Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:13, Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

 

[justbyfaith]

The command is perfect

we are not

the command is what condemns you my friend\

WAKE UP!

The point is that the law is not the cause of death...sin is.

Therefore the law is not the law of sin and death...that statement, in Romans 8:2, is referring to the immediate context (in Romans 7:14-25).

Not sure why you aren't getting this.

 

[oyster67]

We live under the commandments of Jesus.

Yes we do. I have heard it said that Jesus' first command covers the first half of the Ten, and that Jesus' second command covers the second half of the Ten. When our lives are firmly rooted in a heart of love, these two commands will naturally and freely flow out and be fulfilled in us.

 

[justbyfaith]

Lol
your not righteous as god demands
that’s why you have no comprehension of true sanctification
gods standard is perfection. You are not there yet non of us are
but we walk toward that goal as Paul did. Because that’s our mission

Those who do righteousness are righteous even as Christ is righteous (1 John 3:7).

They have been made righteous (Romans 5:19) as the free gift of God (Romans 5:15-17).

Even filled with righteousness (Matthew 5:6).

 

[justbyfaith]

The luv is an English translation
for that reason alone it is flawed

Suit yourself.

Don't say that I didn't warn you.

My duty is fulfilled (Ezekiel 18 and 33).

 

[oyster67]

There is no truth in any person being able to attain salvation under the law, not ever.

Yes. The point of the OT Law is to to demonstrate this need for a Savior. All things point to Jesus and His Atonement.

 

[justbyfaith]

Yes; we are only forgiven and redeemed through Jesus' shed blood.

Of course, His blood does not only justify us (as per Romans 5:9). It also sanctifies us (Hebrews 13:12, Hebrews 10:29) and cleanses us from all sin (1 John 1:7).

 

[oyster67]

The point is that the law is not the cause of death...sin is.

I have heard the Law referred to as the revealer of sin, and hence the thing that people will be judged and condemned by when they reject the Blood of Jesus. I think this is what Paul was saying in...

Romans
7:7 What shall we say then? [Is] the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
7:8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin [was] dead.
7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
7:10 And the commandment, which [was ordained] to life, I found [to be] unto death.
7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew [me].
7:12 Wherefore the law [is] holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

 

[Ogom]

Breaking them is sin and death.

The minister of death written in stone is the ten commands.. It was the only thing written in stone given to Israel.

another thing that can become Written in Stone (for Us -- given to Us) --

is Dogmas and Doctrines and / or just Ways of Looking at Things.

these can blind us to truth so that we will never get on the same page as God / the Spirit ...

but only our own decided, chosen, inherited, pre- conceived in the past -- by us or others pages --

but not totally from the Spirit or true Completely at all.

 

[justbyfaith]

The law showed me that 45 years ago

I know it today. Because I look at the time I serve self and not others. I look at the time I know to do good and don;t do it. I look at the time I fail to love God

I look to the law and I see myself as a prety good dude. Because I live the commands and do not break them

when I look to God and the law of Christ, I see myself as a wicked evil person who is not even close to living up to Gods standard. And like so many, if I were in Gods pretense today I would fall on my face

Keep looking to the law. You will not see how evil you really are.

I think that maybe you are not seeing the law as spiritual.

Jesus brought home to our hearts what adultery really is...lusting after a woman in our heart.

In the ten commandments, God the Father hinted at the spiritual nature of the law. Forst He told us not to steal; and a little bit later He told us not to covet.

He wanted us to meditate on the meaning of the law (Psalms 1).

Those who did, would understand the spiritual nature of the law...

That the outward requirements have a deeper meaning that apply to what is in the heart.

Such as, if you are angry with your brother without a cause; and say to him, "You idiot" or "You fool!" you are in all reality violating God's commandment of "Thou shalt not kill" and are in danger of the council or even of hell fire.

Now, when I speak of the law, I am speaking of every moral tenet in the Old and New Testaments.

In the New Testament, I believe that the law that governs us is exemplified in a set of vices that we are to avoid (Galatians 5:19-21) and virtues that we are to exemplify in opposition to those vices (Galatians 5:22-23). There is no law against such behaviour; so if we live according to these virtues and eschew the vices, we will be law-abiding citizens of the kingdom of heaven.

While it is the purpose of the law to show us that we are sinners in need of a Saviour, I don't think that it is its purpose to cause us to resign ourselves to the fact that we are sinners; and just give up on living a holy life. I believe that once we realize we are sinnerrs, that we need to repent of living a sinful lifestyle and begin to seek the Lord and His provision for living a holy life.

Mat 1:21, And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Tit 2:11, For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Tit 2:12, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
it 2:13, Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
TTit 2:14, Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
Tit 2:15, These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.

Tit 3:3, For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.
Tit 3:4, But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
Tit 3:5, Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Tit 3:6, Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
Tit 3:7, That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

 

[justbyfaith]

Forst He told us not to steal; and a little bit later He told us not to covet.

*First*

 

[justbyfaith]

Forst He told us not to steal; and a little bit later He told us not to covet.

Or, maybe *For*...

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The point is that the law is not the cause of death...sin is.

Therefore the law is not the law of sin and death...that statement, in Romans 8:2, is referring to the immediate context (in Romans 7:14-25).

Not sure why you aren't getting this.

The point your not getting is without the law we would not know we were cursed.
Your stuck on self righteousness. And have no capacity of understanding how sinful you really are

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Those who do righteousness are righteous even as Christ is righteous (1 John 3:7).

They have been made righteous (Romans 5:19) as the free gift of God (Romans 5:15-17).

Even filled with righteousness (Matthew 5:6).

Yes
UNTIL we look to the law
the. The truth if our sinfulness and unrighteousness flows
keep denying you are I righteous according to the law to your own detriment