Jesus Came To Fulfill Not To Destroy

[justbyfaith]

Nope. That wasn't me.

I couldn't hardly call someone else arrogant or prideful...

I find it funny that the ones who called me arrogant and prideful aren't saying the same of you.

If they were in any way consistent, they would do so.

Because your behaviour is the same as was mine.

However, I do not judge you to be so.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Sin is the transgression of the law (1 John 3:4).

Which law? That is a reference to the Ten Commandments (which remain within the New Covenant as the Law of Christ and the two greatest commandments distilled into the Law of Love). It is not a reference to the whole Law of Moses.

 

[justbyfaith]

Which law? That is a reference to the Ten Commandments (which remain within the New Covenant as the Law of Christ and the two greatest commandments distilled into the Law of Love). It is not a reference to the whole Law of Moses.

For those who seek to be justified by the law, their works, or their own merit, the entire 613 commands, as well as every moral tenet in the New Testament, counts as the law that they must obey (Galatians 3:10); perfectly from conception into eternity.

For those who are justified by Christ, we are no longer bound by the letter of the law, but have been set free to obey the spirit of what is written (Romans 7:6).

 

[Nehemiah6]

For those who seek to be justified by the law, their works, or their own merit, the entire 613 commands, as well as every moral tenet in the New Testament, counts as the law that they must obey (Galatians 3:10); perfectly from conception into eternity.

Now you are off on a tangent. We are not discussing the basis of justification which is another subject.

 

[justbyfaith]

Now you are off on a tangent. We are not discussing the basis of justification which is another subject.

I'm sorry I thought that we were discussing our relationship to the law. I believe that my statement within the realm of the subject matter, therefore.

 

[justbyfaith]

And the point is that sin is the transgression of the law. You asked, "Which law?"

I responded, that for those who are seeking to be justified by the law, their works, or their own merit, the law that I am referring to is the entire 613 commandments in the Old Testament as well as every moral tenet in the New.

 

[Duckybill]

And the point is that sin is the transgression of the law. You asked, "Which law?"

I responded, that for those who are seeking to be justified by the law, their works, or their own merit, the law that I am referring to is the entire 613 commandments in the Old Testament as well as every moral tenet in the New.

So you weren't circumsized as Moses COMMANDED? Then stop preaching the Law to Christians under the New Covenant.

 

[justbyfaith]

So you weren't circumsized as Moses COMMANDED? Then stop preaching the Law to Christians under the New Covenant.

Yes, I was circumcised; on the eighth day.

However, I place no trust or confidence in the fact that I have been circumcised (Philippians 3:1-9).

 

[Marilyn]

Here Jesus makes it clear that all things written about Him in the Old Testament must be fulfilled. Knowing that all things must be fulfilled by Jesus, as long as heaven and earth is still here, tells us that the law (Commandments) are still here as well and must be kept.

All the law has been fulfilled in Christ. I am in Christ thus the law is fulfilled in my life.

 

[Duckybill]

Yes, I was circumcised; on the eighth day.

However, I place no trust or confidence in the fact that I have been circumcised (Philippians 3:1-9).

Galatians 5:2-4 (NKJV)
2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing.
3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.
4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

 

[Jocund]

I don't believe that ever, at any time, God does not speak truth and that truth is truth for humanity--not for a select few.

The commands of the OT were not changed, the only thing that changed was God's method of delivering the truth. We are not to cut flesh--it was a way to telling humanity to belong to God through the flesh humanity understood. That was the old covenant. It was truth, but now we know the truth through the heart and we are no longer to use earthly commands to learn.

Carefully and prayerfully please read Jeremiah 31:31. It does not say the law is changed, what is changed is how the law is given.

God's truth applies to Christians. We are to accept the Lord.

I am convinced that Jeremiah 31:31 is talking about Christianity.

 

[justbyfaith]

Galatians 5:2-4 (NKJV)
2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing.
3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.
4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

Luk 6:37, Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

1Co 7:18, Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised.
1Co 7:19, Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.
1Co 7:20, Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called.

In the NLT:

Gal 5:1, So Christ has truly set us free. Now make sure that you stay free, and don’t get tied up again in slavery to the law.
Gal 5:2, Listen! I, Paul, tell you this: If you are counting on circumcision to make you right with God, then Christ will be of no benefit to you.
Gal 5:3, I’ll say it again. If you are trying to find favor with God by being circumcised, you must obey every regulation in the whole law of Moses.
Gal 5:4, For if you are trying to make yourselves right with God by keeping the law, you have been cut off from Christ! You have fallen away from God’s grace.

Thankfully, I am not counting on my circumcision or law-keeping to make me right with God (or to save me).

My trust is wholly in what Christ has done for me in shedding His precious blood.

 

[justbyfaith]

So you weren't circumsized as Moses COMMANDED?

Actually, circumcision was a commandment that was given to the patriarchs (John 7:22); not to Moses.

 

[justbyfaith]

All the law has been fulfilled in Christ. I am in Christ thus the law is fulfilled in my life.

And also, as time passes, more and more in the practical sense, as He works within you the process of sanctification.

 

[justbyfaith]

Gal 5:6, For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

Gal 6:15, For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.

1Co 7:19, Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

 

[Duckybill]

Luk 6:37, Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

1Co 7:18, Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised.
1Co 7:19, Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.
1Co 7:20, Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called.

In the NLT:

Gal 5:1, So Christ has truly set us free. Now make sure that you stay free, and don’t get tied up again in slavery to the law.
Gal 5:2, Listen! I, Paul, tell you this: If you are counting on circumcision to make you right with God, then Christ will be of no benefit to you.
Gal 5:3, I’ll say it again. If you are trying to find favor with God by being circumcised, you must obey every regulation in the whole law of Moses.
Gal 5:4, For if you are trying to make yourselves right with God by keeping the law, you have been cut off from Christ! You have fallen away from God’s grace.

Thankfully, I am not counting on my circumcision or law-keeping to make me right with God (or to save me).

My trust is wholly in what Christ has done for me in shedding His precious blood.

I didn't "judge" you. I simply quoted God's Word.
Galatians 5:2-4 (NKJV)
2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing.
3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.
4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

You pleaded guilty!

 

[Duckybill]

Actually, circumcision was a commandment that was given to the patriarchs (John 7:22); not to Moses.

See above.

 

[Jackson123]

but one can keep the law and not love other people if I don’t kill someone but I also refuse to help them in tbier time of need it’s not love

or if I don’t kill someone but I hate them in my heart it’s not love

if I’d not commit adultery but I do look at others with lust I have violated Gods word in Christ broken his commandment

the law can’t provide righteousness it’s a description of what not to do to people don’t lie to them don’t steal from them don’t cheat then don’t kill them ect

it’s what you tell People that want to do all those things

Snake is an animal, but animal not nessesery snake.

Love not steal, not steal not always mean love

 

[justbyfaith]

I didn't "judge" you. I simply quoted God's Word.
Galatians 5:2-4 (NKJV)
2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing.
3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.
4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

You pleaded guilty!

If circumcision translates into condemnation, then every Jew who is a part of the Abrahamic covenant (of which circumcision is the sign) is condemned.

However, that is not what is taught by holy scripture.

Rom 11:1, I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Rom 11:2, God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
Rom 11:3, Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
Rom 11:4, But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
Rom 11:5, Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Rom 11:26, And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27, For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Rom 11:28, As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
Rom 11:29, For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

A Jew is not condemned over something that he has no control over (being circumcised the eighth day).

 

[justbyfaith]

I didn't "judge" you. I simply quoted God's Word.
Galatians 5:2-4 (NKJV)
2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing.
3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.
4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

You pleaded guilty!

You quoted it out of context of the rest of the Bible; after I told you that I was circumcised the eighth day;

And the scripture in question condemns those who are circumcised.

(therefore your intention was indeed to condemn me)

It is the untrained eye who might see it that way (that the scripture in question condemns those who are circumcised).

For the one who knows all of what is taught by holy scripture, it is understood that the condemnation is to the Gentile who seeks to be justified through circumcision of the fleshly organ (thus seeking to be saved through Judaism and all of its tenets).

Such a person is attempting to be justified by the law and is fallen from grace because the law is an alternative means of justification to being redeemed through faith in the blood of Christ; (the law being) a means which also will utterly fail practically 99.999999999999999999% of the time (Jesus being the only exception since He lived a perfect life; and His perfect life is imputd to us through faith).

Because those who seek to be justified by the law, their works, or their personal merits, are required to keep the whole law perfectly from conception into eternity. And the only one who has ever done that is Jesus Christ.

Therefore our only means of salvation is to have His perfect life, blood, and righteousness applied to our account, as we place our faith and trust in Him.

If we do that, then circumcision doesn't matter (1 Corinthians 7:19, Galatians 5:6, and Galatians 6:15); we are saved.