How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

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Correct. They become Saints AFTER the Trib begins.

the Revelation of our LORD Jesus Christ begins with His Church/His Elect/His Saints/His Overcomers in Tribulation.
More will be added to the Church and saved during this time leading up to Christ's Second Coming.

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

Acts 2:47 So continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they ate their food with gladness and simplicity of heart, praising God and having favor with all the people.
And the Lord added to the church daily those who were being saved.
 

ewq1938

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Correct. They become Saints AFTER the Trib begins.

That doesn't come from the bible though. No such conversion is found in scripture.

So, even in pre-trib the Church is very much present on the Earth and are being overcome and killed, Revelation 13.
 

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That's not what the bible tells us:

Prophecy that Christian saints would be killed during the Great Tribulation:

Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Satan's wrath and him starting the Great Tribulation which targets Christians:

Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath , because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
Rev 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
Rev 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
Rev 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed , which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.


The Christian saints killed during Satan's wrathful Great Tribulation:

Rev 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
Rev 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them : and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
Rev 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
Rev 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
Rev 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.


The Christian saints killed during Satan's wrathful Great Tribulation are resurrected:

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God , and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years .


The GT is not against Jews ie: in Judaism.
By the golly gringo you got it ... the Trib is against the church not the Jews.

The purpose of the gathering, rapture for the church and gathering for the Jews to their homeland is to shield them from God's wrath.

Because the Great Trib is man's wrath against the church and is before the Rap the church is not protected [not yet being gathered] but the Jews [being gathered to their homeland] are protected.
 
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By the golly gringo you got it ... the Trib is against the church not the Jews.

The purpose of the gathering, rapture for the church and gathering for the Jews to their homeland is to shield them from God's wrath.

Because the Great Trib is man's wrath against the church and is before the Rap the church is not protected [not yet being gathered] but the Jews [being gathered to their homeland] are protected.
BINGO in Row 7

This is why the Lord says to us:
"And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."
 

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Them clouds are the same clouds we will go to meet Him in.
Thats right!

Go up into clouds at Rapture.
7 years Trib on Earth for those who missed it.
We come down in clouds with Him to Earth (Second Coming).
Rule and reign with Jesus 1000 years on Earth.
New Jerusalem comes down out of Heaven.
 

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Thats right!

Go up into clouds at Rapture.
7 years Trib on Earth for those who missed it.
We come down in clouds with Him to Earth (Second Coming).
Rule and reign with Jesus 1000 years on Earth.
New Jerusalem comes down out of Heaven.
Oh no ...

Who missed it? for what reason would they? God will not leave a single one of His blood bought behind ... unthinkable.

Because they were weak? they were not John Wayne, no true grit? because they slept?

But the dead in Christ will be FIRST to rise, what did they do to prepare?
 

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Thats right!

Go up into clouds at Rapture.
7 years Trib on Earth for those who missed it.
We come down in clouds with Him to Earth (Second Coming).
Rule and reign with Jesus 1000 years on Earth.
New Jerusalem comes down out of Heaven.

Not quite right.

42 months Trib on Earth
Second Coming.
Resurrection of the dead in Christ.
The living are changed into immortals and go up into clouds at Rapture.
We (the former dead and the living) come down in clouds with Him to Earth
Rule and reign with Jesus 1000 years on Earth.
GWTJ and the lake of fire
New Jerusalem comes down out of Heaven.
 

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Oh no ...

Who missed it? for what reason would they? God will not leave a single one of His blood bought behind ... unthinkable.

Because they were weak? they were not John Wayne, no true grit? because they slept?
And they apply that to the greatest saints the church has ever had, the two witnesses.
 

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This was a reference to a specific group of saints called "Trib Saints".
"Trib Saints". is also something not found in the bible. It's just "saints" which are very important members of the church.
 

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Why should we Rule and reign with Jesus 1000 years on Earth? if others will be throw into the Lake of fire ?

Can you keep a little mystery?
 

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False. The Rapture is for the Church. Jews will miss it if they are not born again.
Yes the Rap is for the church, we will be gathered, but don't you see that the Jews are being gathered? they will ALL be gathered. During their time of anguish they had no homeland to flee to in order to escape the wrath that was upon them. Now they do.

Moreover the beast will have some kind of pact with them while the temple is being built which he will break as soon as the temple is built.

...his eyes are upon that seat in the temple.
 
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False. The Rapture is for the Church. Jews will miss it if they are not born again.
There is only One Church - and She goes by these names: His Bride / His Elect /Chosen by God / Brethren / Saints /Overcomers

They are described as follows in Revelation ch 2 , ch 12 and ch 14

Do not fear any of those things which you are about to suffer. Indeed, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and you will have tribulation ten days. Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.

“He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes shall not be hurt by the second death.”

"And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death."

"Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus."

"Then I heard a voice from heaven saying to me, “Write: ‘Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.’ ”
 

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Nope.

They have been raptured and are therefore very protected.
That day [the day of the Lord's coming and our going to meet Him] will not come unless

Unless the rebellion has come first and the man of rebellion is revealed, the son of Perdition who

Who opposeth and exults himself against every so called god and object of worship so that he sits in the temple proclaiming that he is himself God ... whom the Lord will destroy ...

This opposing every so called god is YOU, he's going to oppose YOU. He is going to try his best to wipe you out dear Oyster ... this is the persecution Jesus warned us of. This is the Great Tribulation.
 

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That day [the day of the Lord's coming and our going to meet Him] will not come unless

Unless the rebellion has come first and the man of rebellion is revealed, the son of Perdition who

Who opposeth and exults himself against every so called god and object of worship so that he sits in the temple proclaiming that he is himself God ... whom the Lord will destroy ...

This opposing every so called god is YOU, he's going to oppose YOU. He is going to try his best to wipe you out dear Oyster ... this is the persecution Jesus warned us of. This is the Great Tribulation.
I am the rebellion I think
 

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27And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

They are being gathered from the earth and moved to heaven or they are being gathered everywhere in earth and heaven? There are two ways to read this, but which makes sense?
only one 'proper' way to read it

gathered everywhere

'from-to' is a range/extents description

There is no verb action to 'move' anyone [to] anywhere. The only verb action is 'gather'.
 
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Nope.

They have been raptured and are therefore very protected.
Do you believe the words of CHRIST JESUS our LORD who says: Revelation 14:12-13

Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.
Then I heard a voice from heaven saying to me, “Write: ‘Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.’ ”


Dear Brother Oyster67, where is the scripture in Revelation that says: "Blessed are the those that were pre-trib raptured"

Where can you find this ""Blessed are those that were pre-trib raptured" in Scripture???
 

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only one 'proper' way to read it

gathered everywhere

'from-to' is a range/extents description

There is no verb action to 'move' anyone [to] anywhere. The only verb action is 'gather'.
Which is the moving. When you gather grapes into a basket etc, the grapes were moved. In the case of the rapture ppl are moved upwards in a gathering or harvest.