If The Kingdom isn't here yet then what is JESUS CHRIST a King of?

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Not going to start that war of words with a Covenant Theologist!

This ain't my first rodeo! I try not to waste my time for God!
You said that all of Israel will be saved and all Jews will be saved. I just wanted to know what you mean by that. You seem very eager to dodge a simple question.
 
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You didn't answer the question.

Who counts as a Jew? Who counts as Israel?
You didn't answer the question.

Who counts as a Jew? Who counts as Israel?
The gospels are about the jews and we as believers have much to learn from them. look where the events take place, most of them concern Jerusalem and Israel. There will be 2 of God's witnesses at work during the first 3 1/2 half years and will be killed around the time of the appearance of the second beast ( false prophet ).

Rev 11:7 And when they have finished their testimony, the beast that ascends from the bottomless pit will make war upon them and conquer them and kill them,
 
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The gospels are about the jews and we as believers have much to learn from them. look where the events take place, most of them concern Jerusalem and Israel. There will be 2 of God's witnesses at work during the first 3 1/2 half years and will be killed around the time of the appearance of the second beast ( false prophet ).

Rev 11:7 And when they have finished their testimony, the beast that ascends from the bottomless pit will make war upon them and conquer them and kill them,
That doesn't answer the question either. Who counts as a Jew? Who counts as Israel?
 
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The gospel is the the good news that Jesus preached "... Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God" (Mark 1:14). This is the gospel of Jesus. All over the bible, from the promise to Abraham in Genesis to the second coming of Jesus in Revelation, the Lord reveals that his kingdom will be on earth. This message is supposed to be good news to us, especially considering the condition of the world. We should be glad to know that God is going to straighten out the trouble and confusion that's presently in the world. Jesus even told us to pray for the fulfillment of his gospel, "Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven" (Matthew 6:10). Jesus also warned us to repent (turn from our sins) and be prepared for the coming of his kingdom. If we truly believe the gospel, then we will obey God's commandments. "...The unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God" (I Corinthians 6:9).

However, Jesus said the… Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. (Matthew 5:5). Jesus promised us we would dwell with him on the earth. That's right, Jesus is returning to establish the kingdom of God. If we have faith and obey him, we will rule with him on the earth, "And hast made us unto our God kings and priests; and we shall reign on the earth" (Revelation 5:10).
You are assuming "Thy kingdom come" is future tense.

The kingdom of the world becomes The Kingdom of GOD for Infinity ...not just a thousand years. JESUS is already Reigning over the kingdom of the world.


Romans 8:18-23
For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.

19 For the earnest expectation of the creature [creation] waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

20 For the creature [creation] was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,

21 Because the creature [creation] itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
 

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You said that all of Israel will be saved and all Jews will be saved. I just wanted to know what you mean by that. You seem very eager to dodge a simple question.
I know that you believe the promises have been given to the Church and Israel is out.

That's not what God said, all through the scripture we find the restoration of Israel.

What I have been posting is the restoration of Israel, the purpose of the 1000 year reign is for Israel to fulfill the original calling of God to proclaim Jesus Christ to the world.

I learned through the years that the Covenant Theologists will not listen, they have stopped their ears, they will not open their eyes.

Charlie doesn't have time for that!
 
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The gospels are about the jews and we as believers have much to learn from them. look where the events take place, most of them concern Jerusalem and Israel. There will be 2 of God's witnesses at work during the first 3 1/2 half years and will be killed around the time of the appearance of the second beast ( false prophet ).

Rev 11:7 And when they have finished their testimony, the beast that ascends from the bottomless pit will make war upon them and conquer them and kill them,
Please tell me how i'm wrong about the 70 weeks or is it just something you don't want to think about?
 
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I know that you believe the promises have been given to the Church and Israel is out.

That's not what God said, all through the scripture we find the restoration of Israel.

What I have been posting is the restoration of Israel, the purpose of the 1000 year reign is for Israel to fulfill the original calling of God to proclaim Jesus Christ to the world.

I learned through the years that the Covenant Theologists will not listen, they have stopped their ears, they will not open their eyes.

Charlie doesn't have time for that!
i have no problem with GOD'S Promises lasting for Infinity like He said ...not a thousand years.
 
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I know that you believe the promises have been given to the Church and Israel is out.

That's not what God said, all through the scripture we find the restoration of Israel.

What I have been posting is the restoration of Israel, the purpose of the 1000 year reign is for Israel to fulfill the original calling of God to proclaim Jesus Christ to the world.

I learned through the years that the Covenant Theologists will not listen, they have stopped their ears, they will not open their eyes.

Charlie doesn't have time for that!
Nope.

You still haven't answered the question.

Who counts as a Jew? Who counts as Israel?
 

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i have no problem with GOD'S Promises lasting for Infinity like He said ...not a thousand years.
The 1000 years lasts for a thousand years! What happens then after the thousand years, do you know?
 
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The 1000 years lasts for a thousand years! What happens then after the thousand years, do you know?
Oh, i get it now, you love this make believe 1000 years so much that you forgot that Heaven is Infinite.
 

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I'll bet I have more of those red circles with the white "x" in the middle that anyone on this forum, you guys are making me the man!
 
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Still no answer to the question.
 

Charlie24

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Oh, i get it now, you love this make believe 1000 years so much that you forgot that Heaven is Infinite.
Yes, the infinity comes after the thousand years. No more sin, no more pain and suffering, no more tears, just infinity with Christ.
 
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Yes, the infinity comes after the thousand years. No more sin, no more pain and suffering, no more tears, just infinity with Christ.
So keep your head in the sand about the Promises being Infinite? You only want Israel to be the core for a thousand years?
 

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You are assuming "Thy kingdom come" is future tense.

The kingdom of the world becomes The Kingdom of GOD for Infinity ...not just a thousand years. JESUS is already Reigning over the kingdom of the world.


Romans 8:18-23
For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.

19 For the earnest expectation of the creature [creation] waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

20 For the creature [creation] was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,

21 Because the creature [creation] itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
That's speaking about the future, the first fruit are the saints, the first resurrection. Paul says in 1 Corinthian 15: 20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43 it is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44 it is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

Let's tie this in with Revelation 20: 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
 
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That's speaking about the future, the first fruit are the saints, the first resurrection. Paul says in 1 Corinthian 15: 20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43 it is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44 it is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

Let's tie this in with Revelation 20: 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
i just posted this on the last page:


1 Corinthians 15:22-26
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
Then cometh the end,
when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

//It doesn't say "Then after a thousand years".

Revelation 20: 4 is symbolism because ...in what world is the First Resurrection not talking about CHRIST?
 
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Dan 9:24 “Seventy weeks of years are decreed concerning your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to put an end to sin, and to atone for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal both vision and prophet, and to anoint a most holy place.

If Christ was reigning now there would be no sin as the scriptures say
 
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Dan 9:24 “Seventy weeks of years are decreed concerning your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to put an end to sin, and to atone for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal both vision and prophet, and to anoint a most holy place.

If Christ was reigning now there would be no sin as the scriptures say
There isn't sin after we are Reborn THROUGH HIM.