Which gospel should I believe to be saved ?

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studentoftheword

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Not here to debate. You were shown the gospel you must believe to be saved.

2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on t
hem that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
2Th 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Hann57 -----These verse you quote do not prove that repentance is not needed for Salvation ------the scripture clearly indicates that Repentance is the first step in the Salvation process ------Why you you think John the Baptise was sent by God -----He was sent to get people to REPENT--to say they were sinners and needed to change the way they thought -----John The Baptise was preparing people for the Salvation that was coming ------


To Repent --is to change the way you think ----

Strong's Concordance
metanoeó: to change one's mind or purpose

Definition: to change one's mind or purpose
Usage: I repent, change my mind,


--I say to you ---Again
So give me the Scripture that says Repentance is not necessary to be saved -------
 

2ndTimothyGroup

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My reference is Jesus, Himself. He told a young man tht if he believed He is the Son of God he would be saved. This is the Gospel, for believing Jesus means doing, not simply lip service.

Yes, even the demons believe and tremble, but my reference is only to men.
No, that is not the Gospel. That is a description of the Gospel. The Gospel is defined by explaining three things:

1) The Purpose of Christ
2) The Work of Christ
3) The Effect of Christ

Simply believing in a name does not save. One must believe the Purpose, Work, and Effect that explains the Name.

Again, to Understand the Gospel, we must Understand the Mysterious Plan behind it.
 

soberxp

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No, that is not the Gospel. That is a description of the Gospel. The Gospel is defined by explaining three things:

1) The Purpose of Christ
2) The Work of Christ
3) The Effect of Christ

Simply believing in a name does not save. One must believe the Purpose, Work, and Effect that explains the Name.

Again, to Understand the Gospel, we must Understand the Mysterious Plan behind it.
Understanding the Bible from believe in the name of Jesus.
 

Blain

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Dear Brother you are 100% CORRECT on the Two Covenants.

However, the SAME Gospel was Preached by God from Genesis thru to Revelation.

Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it.
For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it. For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said:

“So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest,’ ”
although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”; and again in this place: “They shall not enter My rest.”
Hebrews ch4

And what is the "Finished Work from the Foundation of the World"??? = His Sabbath REST = the Gospel of GOD
I apologize for the late reply, yes you are correct it is the same gospel and perhaps I should have worded it better. The covenant in which the gospel is preached is the majoring factor, the way I see it God wrote a love story into existence when first spoke this universe into being from begenning to end it was a love story about redemption salvation and the bonds between God and man he knew this stories beginning and end so it is the same gospel however which covenant it fell under seems to be the major difference.
 

2ndTimothyGroup

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Understanding the Bible from believe in the name of Jesus.
Which Jesus?

Jesús Santrich?

Jesús Navas?

Jesús Quintero?

If believing in the name Jesus could save someone, all a person would have to do is walk up to another person and say, "Just believe in the name Jesus and you'll be magically saved!"

Good grief. My response would be, "Oh yeah? Which Jesus? And, why should I believe in the Jesus that you're about to specify? What is so special about THAT ONE that will save me? I don't even know who he is, but if I just believe the name I can be saved?"

Come on. We have to elevate ourselves beyond first grade. Seriously, this is getting silly.
 

Pilgrimshope

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Before Jesus die Mankind was held responsible for the sins they committed -----when a person sinned there was going to be a judgement coming ---

Leviticus 5 --Guilt offering

17 “If anyone sins and does what is forbidden in any of the Lord’s commands, even though they do not know it, they are guilty and will be held responsible.

18 They are to bring to the priest as a guilt offering a ram from the flock, one without defect and of the proper value. In this way the priest will make atonement for them for the wrong they have committed unintentionally, and they will be forgiven.
19 It is a guilt offering; they have been guilty of[e] wrongdoing against the Lord.”

I say
If the laws are still in place today ----then we would have to bring a guilt offering the priest ---so the priest could make atonement for the wrong we have committed -----there would be no hope for an eternal life ----we would all be doomed to torment -----as the blood of animals only covered sin for a year ---

Hebrews 9
English Standard Version
22 Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins.

So I say -----------Thanks Be to God for the New Covenant and Jesus paying for what we deserve ------Salvation is under the New Covenant of Grace -----Jesus is the way to eternal life

your missing that Christians also are going to be held accountable according to what Jesus said in the gospel

The law of Moses is about sin , Christians are going to have to answer to the gospel and what Jesus teaches it’s not about sin it’s now about our deeds good or bad According to Christs word

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:10-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s not just that Jesus died for our sins under law it’s the at he gave us a better word to believe and know God by He taught us the truth bout the true God that offers eternal life. All we have to do is believe what he said and follow after it because we do believe in him being the Lord

we’re still going to be held accountable for what we do in Christ that’s why he teaches us things like this because we are certainly going to answer to Jesus for every word and deed he taught us to do this and be this

“But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.

Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.

Judge not, and ye shall not be judged:

condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned:

forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall be given into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:35-38‬ ‭


If we won’t forgive others , if we point out everyone’s flaws and sins and demand they pay thier due , if we are accusers , then when we appear before Jesus to receive our deeds done good or bad that’s the same judgement we’re going to receive from Jesus hats what he himself said

so what saves a sinner is to start learning his teachings like this one in the gospel and accept Jesus Christ’s words about what will save believers like receiving his mercy for us and also and equally important start offering the same mercy to those who have wronged us or done wrong otherwise.


“For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭6:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

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Be able to not accept that it’s Jesus Christ’s teaching. Because we have to answer for what we do
Once we come to Jesus we have to learn the judges judgements and start repenting and walking in them like we have to start being merciful in every possible way to others that’s our part

and the thing is whatever Jesus said in the gospel is forever so if we believe we can start knowing the judgement we all face Ahead of time and can repent and start following the lords will and be confident in salvstion.

“Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him? My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth. And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭3:16-19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we still have accountability but. Ow it’s to the gospel doctrine of mercy for the merciful because all
Have sinned and are gonna be held to account
 

Hann57

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Hann57 -----These verse you quote do not prove that repentance is not needed for Salvation ------the scripture clearly indicates that Repentance is the first step in the Salvation process ------Why you you think John the Baptise was sent by God -----He was sent to get people to REPENT--to say they were sinners and needed to change the way they thought -----John The Baptise was preparing people for the Salvation that was coming ------


To Repent --is to change the way you think ----

Strong's Concordance
metanoeó: to change one's mind or purpose

Definition: to change one's mind or purpose
Usage: I repent, change my mind,


--I say to you ---Again
So give me the Scripture that says Repentance is not necessary to be saved -------
You are on Ignore
 

Pilgrimshope

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Hann57 -----These verse you quote do not prove that repentance is not needed for Salvation ------the scripture clearly indicates that Repentance is the first step in the Salvation process ------Why you you think John the Baptise was sent by God -----He was sent to get people to REPENT--to say they were sinners and needed to change the way they thought -----John The Baptise was preparing people for the Salvation that was coming ------


To Repent --is to change the way you think ----

Strong's Concordance
metanoeó: to change one's mind or purpose

Definition: to change one's mind or purpose
Usage: I repent, change my mind,


--I say to you ---Again
So give me the Scripture that says Repentance is not necessary to be saved -------
it’s to change your mind so that your actions follow we do have to change our sinful actions the way to do it is to start accepting that we are gonna have to answer for them so if we repent now we can have them remitted.

our mind never changed because we hear the wrong doctrine that says stuff like “ repentance isn’t part of the equation. All that anyone is supposed to believe is Jesus died and rose the end “

To only accept a verse or two , it’s like reading a novel and the . Explaining a single sentance is true and saying every o the r sentance is a lie and fallacy because this ones true
 

Blain

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Which Jesus?

Jesús Santrich?

Jesús Navas?

Jesús Quintero?

If believing in the name Jesus could save someone, all a person would have to do is walk up to another person and say, "Just believe in the name Jesus and you'll be magically saved!"

Good grief. My response would be, "Oh yeah? Which Jesus? And, why should I believe in the Jesus that you're about to specify? What is so special about THAT ONE that will save me? I don't even know who he is, but if I just believe the name I can be saved?"

Come on. We have to elevate ourselves beyond first grade. Seriously, this is getting silly.
You know when I was saved I called out to him specifically and when I was attacked by a demon and couldn't breath when I was finally able to get it out of my lips I simply said Jesus and the demon went away, I wouldn't underestimate the power a name has
 

Blain

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it’s to change your mind so that your actions follow we do have to change our sinful actions the way to do it is to start accepting that we are gonna have to answer for them so if we repent now we can have them remitted.

our mind never changed because we hear the wrong doctrine that says stuff like “ repentance isn’t part of the equation. All that anyone is supposed to believe is Jesus died and rose the end “

To only accept a verse or two , it’s like reading a novel and the . Explaining a single sentance is true and saying every o the r sentance is a lie and fallacy because this ones true
The thing is only a repentant heart would believe that Jesus would save them. some of us are lucky enough to have grown up in a Christian home under some of the best kinds of believers others like me were wanderers living life as we pleased I believed Jesus could save me but I had no intention of changing my ways.
Don't get me wrong there was a time when I wanted to be saved but I knew that I cared more about what I wanted to do, it wasn't until I finally came to him in rags a sinner who had nothing left to live for except save that he might come into my heart and I repented of all my doings

A repentant heart in my opinion is not merely about apologizing for what we are and have done it is a heart that has been humbled truly ready to change their ways God knows our hearts better than anyone if one comes to him asking for salvation but only intends to keep doing as they pleased he knows they are not ready to be saved.
Whether a repentance is required to be saved or not in my view should be obvious because only a humbled repentant heart can truly be changed by him when he comes into us, it's kind of like slapping a person in the face everyday saying your sorry but you continue to slap them everytime you see them obviously they are not really sorry and won't stop
 

Blain

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it’s to change your mind so that your actions follow we do have to change our sinful actions the way to do it is to start accepting that we are gonna have to answer for them so if we repent now we can have them remitted.

our mind never changed because we hear the wrong doctrine that says stuff like “ repentance isn’t part of the equation. All that anyone is supposed to believe is Jesus died and rose the end “

To only accept a verse or two , it’s like reading a novel and the . Explaining a single sentance is true and saying every o the r sentance is a lie and fallacy because this ones true
oh I should mention that post wasn't directed to you in particular I just read your post and felt like it needed to be said it wasn't directed at you
 
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So, you are saying the gospel message was incomplete? Bottom line, Paul's gospel was about the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus for sins. No other partial message is acceptable.
For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” Romans 4:3

Galatians 3:5
just as Abraham “believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham.

And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness:
and he was called the Friend of God. James 2:23

ONLY God's Friends get into Heaven.
 

studentoftheword

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Hwnn57 ------you said --You are on Ignore

I say ----Not Surprised ----you can't prove what you are saying so you cave in an quit -----:)
 

Blain

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For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” Romans 4:3

Galatians 3:5
just as Abraham “believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham.

And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness:
and he was called the Friend of God. James 2:23

ONLY God's Friends get into Heaven.
I like how you put it only God's friends get into heaven.
I would also add that the thief on the cross merely believed in Jesus and that he was innocent and was granted acess to heaven. Another way to look at it is faith itself, it is the one currency God requires for anything simply by believing we can see him do amazing things we don't have a check box to mark off he simply asks us to have faith, so it goes for salvation and the gospel merely believing he died rose again and can save us can change your entire world
 

2ndTimothyGroup

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I wouldn't underestimate the power a name has
To suggest that I underestimate would be inaccurate. In fact, I default to the below passage:

Exodus 33:19 NLT - "The LORD replied, "I will make all my goodness pass before you, and I will call out my name, Yahweh, before you. For I will show mercy to anyone I choose, and I will show compassion to anyone I choose."

Simply because you didn't comprehend what I was saying doesn't translate into my "underestimation."

I'm about burnt out on the constant back and forth of pointing out each other's errors. Simply, it disgusts me.
 
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I apologize for the late reply, yes you are correct it is the same gospel and perhaps I should have worded it better. The covenant in which the gospel is preached is the majoring factor, the way I see it God wrote a love story into existence when first spoke this universe into being from begenning to end it was a love story about redemption salvation and the bonds between God and man he knew this stories beginning and end so it is the same gospel however which covenant it fell under seems to be the major difference.
The Gospel was in both Covenants - the difference is that it was FULFILLED in CHRIST's Blood when HE came to earth and nailed the curse of the Law to the Cross with His BODY as the LAMB slain from the Foundation of the World = the NEW Covenant.

The lamb was slain in the Garden by God Himself (Gospel) to clothe Adam and Eve = to cover their nakedness/sin.
The little lambs that, under Moses, which were sacrificed = a lamb for each family = is the Gospel.
But those little fury lambs were animals and not a Man, therefore they could not atone for Man's Sin.

Nevertheless, as long as the people called out by God, had faith to believe and obey His Word, it was credited to them for righteousness.
For by Faith we are saved, it is the Gift of God.

The PERFECT Righteousness of God would be Fulfilled in CHRIST when HE came and laid down His Life as Isaac did with Abraham.
 

Blain

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You are on Ignore
Hann I have watched your back and forth with him and quite frankly you were fighting a losing battle ignoring him is your choice but rather than to do that why not try to learn from him instead?
The fact your opening post said there is more than one gospel was a warning flag to me unless I am mistaken Jesus said he is the way the truth and the life no one comes to the father except through him that one sentence Jesus said was and is the gospel

and also perhaps remember you are on a forum in which heated debates and fiery arguments are a common thing if you cannot handle the fire get out of the kitchen
 

Blain

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To suggest that I underestimate would be inaccurate. In fact, I default to the below passage:

Exodus 33:19 NLT - "The LORD replied, "I will make all my goodness pass before you, and I will call out my name, Yahweh, before you. For I will show mercy to anyone I choose, and I will show compassion to anyone I choose."

Simply because you didn't comprehend what I was saying doesn't translate into my "underestimation."

I'm about burnt out on the constant back and forth of pointing out each other's errors. Simply, it disgusts me.
if I misunderstood you I apologize
 
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I like how you put it only God's friends get into heaven.
I would also add that the thief on the cross merely believed in Jesus and that he was innocent and was granted acess to heaven. Another way to look at it is faith itself, it is the one currency God requires for anything simply by believing we can see him do amazing things we don't have a check box to mark off he simply asks us to have faith, so it goes for salvation and the gospel merely believing he died rose again and can save us can change your entire world
i am crying in Joy of the Holy Spirit with your all these words of His Love Brother that you and others have shared here.

These things I have spoken to you, that My joy may remain in you, and that your joy may be full. 12This is My commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you. 13Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one’s life for his friends. 14You are My friends if you do whatever I command you. 15No longer do I call you servants, for a servant does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all things that I heard from My Father I have made known to you. 16You did not choose Me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit, and that your fruit should remain, that whatever you ask the Father in My name He may give you. 17These things I command you, that you love one another. John ch15
 

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For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” Romans 4:3

Galatians 3:5
just as Abraham “believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham.

And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness:
and he was called the Friend of God. James 2:23

ONLY God's Friends get into Heaven.
Abraham is being used as a type, but the type is not identical. For us, as Abraham believed God about the good news of his offspring, we too can have righteousness if we believe the gospel of Jesus Christ.