How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

[Charlie24]

You may want to start at the beginning of the Great Tribulation and understand that correctly before you proceed to making up a fairy tale about repopulating of the earth in a MK.

If you go out looking for a pre-trib rapture, then you may be one that goes looking for him in the desert or some secret chamber.

When Jesus comes back it won't be in secret. He's going to split the eastern sky and be seen of all. No pre-trib rapture. It's not there!

So you say, but proving that is a different story, wouldn't you say?

We can't prove anything but you can, right? LOL

 

[1ofthem]

I would ask you where do you see anything whatsoever of the church going through the tribulation as the post-trib view declares?

In the pre-trib view it is evident that the population of earth will be massively reduced! In order for the scripture to be true, the population being at the end of the 1000 years "the number who is the sand of the sea" there must be repopulation.

I'm not concerned with a pre-trib view and the stories you have to tell yourself to believe it. I'm concerned with scripture.

So, if there is scripture on a "repopulation" then supply it!

If not admit it. If there isn't any scripture, then you have added to the scriptures. It really is that simple!

 

[DavidTree]

You may want to start at the beginning of the Great Tribulation and understand that correctly before you proceed to making up a fairy tale about repopulating of the earth in a MK.

If you go out looking for a pre-trib rapture, then you may be one that goes looking for him in the desert or some secret chamber.

When Jesus comes back it won't be in secret. He's going to split the eastern sky and be seen of all. No pre-trib rapture. It's not there!

Now, i hope that my Brethren will better understand me and my firm stand on His Word,
in this which you said: "If you go out looking for a pre-trib rapture, then you may be one that goes looking for him in the desert or some secret chamber."

Our Brethren who hold unto the idol of pre-trib will not save them as the deception grows and their hope of a 'pre-trib' escape fails them.

Jesus says: "Then they will deliver you over to be persecuted and killed, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name.
At that time many will fall away and will betray and hate one another, and many false prophets will arise and mislead many. Because of the multiplication of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold.

Our churches are filled with false prophecies of the "any day now we will be out of here"

Meanwhile, the Body of Christ is being persecuted and put to death around the world.
But the one who perseveres to the end will be saved.

 

[1ofthem]

So you say, but proving that is a different story, wouldn't you say?

We can't prove anything but you can, right? LOL

Scriptures prove it. I don't have to make up anything or twist anything around to make it fit to prove something to you.

You need to prove it to yourself by using the scriptures not making up some half-cocked theory in your head to fill in any gaps. You need to use the scriptures. If you can't do that, then leave it out... If it is not supported by scriptures, then leave it out. That's plain and simple.

 

[Charlie24]

I'm not concerned with a pre-trib view and the stories you have to tell yourself to believe it. I'm concerned with scripture.

So, if there is scripture on a "repopulation" then supply it!

If not admit it. If there isn't any scripture, then you have added to the scriptures. It really is that simple!

You can plainly see that all the unsaved in Matt. 25:31-46 no longer exist on earth. Only the saved that live through the tribulation will have natural bodies to reproduce, that will be few compared to the population before the tribulation.

But yet at the end of the millennial reign the number is the "sand of the sea." If you can't see there is massive repopulation happening here, it's not my fault!

 

[1ofthem]

Oh, we're going to get an attitude now, lol.

Well, like I said you might want to check your own attitude before replying to others.

 

[peldom10]

HI Peldom

My position is the 1000 years is symbolic ofChrist's current reign since He came to the earth preached the gospel and died for all mankind--defeating death, sin and Satan for all time--He sits now at the right hand of the father--he reigns in the hearts of believers--and in that way His kingdom has indeed come--it is and always will be a spiritual kingdom, not an earthly one as He said, "My kingdom is not of this world."

Blessings,

Laura

Good analytical thought but, not scriptural.

Christ is a.... groom in waiting..... for the harvest. (Symbolic in my construction here) of His part in God's plan of man's redemption.

There is no language which would support your thought. I see you as a constructive analysts and is the reason I have asked you a couple of questions to understand your conclusion without any evidence.

The only conclusion I can reach from your thought is that it is a way to project a conclusion of a timed arrival of Christ at His 2nd advent and that is strictly prohibited by scripture.
No one knows His return except God and that includes Christ Himself.

I urge you to give scriptures a 2nd look less you find yourself infringed from righteousness..

 

[1ofthem]

You can plainly see that all the unsaved in Matt. 25:31-46 no longer exist on earth. Only the saved that live through the tribulation will have natural bodies to reproduce, that will be few compared to the population before the tribulation.

But yet at the end of the millennial reign the number is the "sand of the sea." If you can't see there is massive repopulation happening here, it's not my fault!

Don't add to or take away from scripture.

And on that note...it's time for me to take a break.

But definitely not because I'm bored...lol

 

[Charlie24]

Don't add to or take away from scripture.

And on that note...it's time for me to take a break.

But definitely not because I'm bored...lol

That's the difference between you and me, I am bored of repeating myself, lol.

 

[AworkINprogress]

The Jews for the most part were fleshly and looking at the scriptures with a natural eye instead of a spiritual eye. The scribes and pharisees had studied the scriptures immensely; yet, they had no understanding. They made many false connections by taking things so literal, such as bind the word around your heart and neck. They actually thought that meant to literally tie it around their neck.

The scriptures are spiritually discerned, and they had no spiritual understanding. That's why they were often instructed that unless they open their spiritual eyes and ears then they would not understand and be lost.

If they had known and actually understood the scriptures, then they would not have crucified the Lord of Glory. 1Cor.2

Well said Sister, well said!

 

[1ofthem]

That's the difference between you and me, I am bored of repeating myself, lol.

Well, don't you know idol hands is the devil's playground or tools...or something like that...

How about you review the scriptures and try to look at it from a different perspective... leaving out any preconceived ideas. It may prove to be an eyeopener and shock you right out of that state of boredom.

Just a suggestion...

 

[DavidTree]

The Jews for the most part were fleshly and looking at the scriptures with a natural eye instead of a spiritual eye. The scribes and pharisees had studied the scriptures immensely; yet, they had no understanding. They made many false connections by taking things so literal, such as bind the word around your heart and neck. They actually thought that meant to literally tie it around their neck.

The scriptures are spiritually discerned, and they had no spiritual understanding. That's why they were often instructed that unless they open their spiritual eyes and ears then they would not understand and be lost.

If they had known and actually understood the scriptures, then they would not have crucified the Lord of Glory. 1Cor.2

Excellent - Now does this lead you to the other extreme and now say as others, "it is symbolic and only spirtitual"???

 

[Charlie24]

Well, don't you know idol hands is the devil's playground...or something like that...lol

How about you review the scriptures and try to look at it from a different perspective... leaving out any preconceived ideas. It may prove to be an eyeopener and shock you right out of that state of boredom.

Just a suggestion...

I know every aspect of the post-trib view, I made sure of that many years ago.

But, and I say, But, can you guys say the same of the pre-trib view?

 

[1ofthem]

Excellent - Now does this lead you to the other extreme and now say as others, "it is symbolic and only spirtitual"???

This is something that I am still trying to work out through the scriptures.

 

[DavidTree]

I know every aspect of the post-trib view, I made sure of that many years ago.

But, and I say, But, can you guys say the same of the pre-trib view?

the LORD Himself is a 'Post-Tribber' for HE said: "Immediately after the Tribulation...........I will come." Matt ch24

HE never says, anywhere in Scripture: "I will pre-trib rapture My Bride/Elect/Saints/Church".

Apostles Paul & John are Post-Tribbers: 2 Thess ch2 and 1 John 2:18-19 and Revelation chapters 1 -20

 

[DavidTree]

This is something that I am still trying to work out through the scriptures.

AMEN and have complete confidence in praying to the Lord/Holy Spirit for understanding.

Never place you trust in "Bible Scholars" or seek approval from men/women no matter how "spiritual" they may appear to be.

i do not know you personally so forgive me if i step on any toes as i am a awkward dancer.

Have you received the Baptism of the Holy Spirit??? = Matthew 3:7-17, Gospel of John and Acts chapters 1-2 and the entire Book of Acts

 

[Charlie24]

the LORD Himself is a 'Post-Tribber' for HE said: "Immediately after the Tribulation...........I will come." Matt ch24

HE never says, anywhere in Scripture: "I will pre-trib rapture My Bride/Elect/Saints/Church".

Apostles Paul & John are Post-Tribbers: 2 Thess ch2 and 1 John 2:18-19 and Revelation chapters 1 -20

The pre-trib theory says He will come immediately after the tribulation, or actually HIs coming ends the tribulation.

When you face the fact a post-trib view will not allow repopulation of the earth during the Millennium, then you will try understand the pre-trib view. But until then....................................................

 

[iTheophilus]

$1,000 Reward for the LOST pre-trib rapture Scripture that ran away from home and nobody can find.

Apparently, the High Priest placed His Hands on this pre-trib goat and sent it out into the wilderness,
for it never came back.

Hey there, David. Ain’t happening! … cause no pretrib rapture scripture exists.

Those who believe in the pretrib rapture theory and use the 1 Thessalonians 4 verses as proof are just not interpreting these verses correctly.

4:13-18: The subject in these verses is WHERE are the dead (or those who have fallen asleep)? Paul is saying that God’s Word says that everyone who has died is with God (already changed into their spiritual bodies and in heaven—some on the good side of the gulf aand some on the bad side). Ecclesiastes 12:7 tells us that all spirits will return to God when we die.

When Jesus returns at the 2nd Coming, all those who are still alive will be changed into spiritual bodies (air). The dead in Christ who have already been changed will, of course, precede those who are still alive on earth in physical bodies because they are already there.

These verses have nothing to do with any kind of rapture theory. They are all about what happens when we die and are words for comfort.

But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus. For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words.

- 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 (NKJV)

 

[DavidTree]

The pre-trib theory says He will come immediately after the tribulation, or actually HIs coming ends the tribulation.

When you face the fact a post-trib view will not allow repopulation of the earth during the Millennium, then you will try understand the pre-trib view. But until then....................................................

RIGHT, HE comes "Immediately after the Tribulation" = Post-Trib by His Words and not any man's - AMEN

The FACT is the Scripture and God said He will spare some flesh - believe what God says.

 

[DavidTree]

Hey there, David. Ain’t happening! … cause no pretrib rapture scripture exists.

Those who believe in the pretrib rapture theory and use the 1 Thessalonians 4 verses as proof are just not interpreting these verses correctly.

4:13-18: The subject in these verses is WHERE are the dead (or those who have fallen asleep)? Paul is saying that God’s Word says that everyone who has died is with God (already changed into their spiritual bodies and in heaven—some on the good side of the gulf aand some on the bad side). Ecclesiastes 12:7 tells us that all spirits will return to God when we die.

When Jesus returns at the 2nd Coming, all those who are still alive will be changed into spiritual bodies (air). The dead in Christ who have already been changed will, of course, precede those who are still alive on earth in physical bodies because they are already there.

These verses have nothing to do with any kind of rapture theory. They are all about what happens when we die and are words for comfort.

But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus. For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words.

- 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 (NKJV)

Good Morning and thank you for your Love for the Brethren - Amen.

Question: Please explain this for me with Scripture that details your statement: "The dead in Christ who have already been changed will, of course, precede those who are still alive on earth in physical bodies because they are already there."

PEACE and Blessing to you