How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

[Absolutely]

@Friend . . . Greetings!

After these things I looked, and behold, a door standing open in heaven. And the first voice which I heard was like a trumpet speaking with me, saying, "Come up here, and I will show you things which must take place after this." Immediately I was in the Spirit; and behold, a throne set in heaven, and One sat on the throne.

- Revelation 4:1-2

I was in the Spirit on the Lord's Day, and I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet, saying, "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last," and, "What you see, write in a book and send it to the seven churches which are in Asia: to Ephesus, to Smyrna, to Pergamos, to Thyatira, to Sardis, to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea."

- Revelation 1:10-11

It's worth emphasizing that it was John, not the church, who was told to "come up here." A misunderstanding of this can easily lead to false doctrine being taught.

On the otherhand

We see a door with John entering heaven
We see a door in the 10 virgin parable
We see a door with noah.

All those doors are pretrib associated.

 

[Laura798]

I watched the vid.

He brings up the usual verses.

Which one is a game changer?

Where dies he RECONCILE the other view vs HIS view?

All i am seeing is a rehash of ONE SIDE of the issue.

In rev the martyrs ARE IN HEAVEN UNDER THE ALTAR. During the trib or before it. They speak and are spoken to ....IN HEAVEN....BEFORE the pretrib rapture.
AHEM.......Pre resurrection!!!

That alone destroys your vid.

Again NOTHING you said destroys anything in the video--you guys need to stop using Revelation as your 'proof text' as it is highly symbolic --you are all adults I assume--it's time to understand what symbolic means. AND yet again you are isolating scripture and ignoring what Christ's and the apostles said LITERALLY about the second coming.

 

[Absolutely]

This man only quotes bible verses--they are clear and straightforward--others on this forum believe that a believer goes directly to heaven when they die, circumventing the judgment of both the believer and the unbeliever AND without their glorified bodies--which is CLEARLY UNBIBLICAL. Only unbelievers and roman catholics believe such a thing--and obviously some christians. It shows a serious ignorance and backwardness regarding the order of things.

every erroneous doctrine does the exact same.

If you torture the truth long enough, you can make it say anything you need it to.

If he is correct, show me where he address the martyrs under the altar in rev.
They are pre resurrection.....and are in heaven....against your doctrine.

 

[Absolutely]

Again NOTHING you said destroys anything in the video--you guys need to stop using Revelation as your 'proof text' as it is highly symbolic --you are all adults I assume--it's time to understand what symbolic means. AND yet again you are isolating scripture and ignoring what Christ's and the apostles said LITERALLY about the second coming.

Again show me the martyrs in heaven under the altar.
Show me how you reconcile that.

Remember.....you say verses matter.

Reconcile the verses i am introducing that your guy is omitting.

You say error comes from not knowing verses.

Reconcile verses....stop omitting

 

[DavidTree]

Again NOTHING you said destroys anything in the video--you guys need to stop using Revelation as your 'proof text' as it is highly symbolic --you are all adults I assume--it's time to understand what symbolic means. AND yet again you are isolating scripture and ignoring what Christ's and the apostles said LITERALLY about the second coming.

Christ and the Apostles teach that AFTER our LORD's Death and Resurrection, HE went to Heaven and placed His Blood on the Mercy Seat to Open the Heavens for those who are His Elect, Blood Washed Saints.

PEACE

 

[Absolutely]

Again NOTHING you said destroys anything in the video--you guys need to stop using Revelation as your 'proof text' as it is highly symbolic --you are all adults I assume--it's time to understand what symbolic means. AND yet again you are isolating scripture and ignoring what Christ's and the apostles said LITERALLY about the second coming.

So the entire book of rev is on your dismissal list.

That is spiritual blindness.

 

[Absolutely]

Again NOTHING you said destroys anything in the video--you guys need to stop using Revelation as your 'proof text' as it is highly symbolic --you are all adults I assume--it's time to understand what symbolic means. AND yet again you are isolating scripture and ignoring what Christ's and the apostles said LITERALLY about the second coming.

Thank you for exposing the basis of your error.

I blew a hole in your doctrine so huge you can sail a ship through it.

....and you are oblivious to it

 

[Absolutely]

Again NOTHING you said destroys anything in the video--you guys need to stop using Revelation as your 'proof text' as it is highly symbolic --you are all adults I assume--it's time to understand what symbolic means. AND yet again you are isolating scripture and ignoring what Christ's and the apostles said LITERALLY about the second coming.

double post

 

[Absolutely]

Again NOTHING you said destroys anything in the video--you guys need to stop using Revelation as your 'proof text' as it is highly symbolic --you are all adults I assume--it's time to understand what symbolic means. AND yet again you are isolating scripture and ignoring what Christ's and the apostles said LITERALLY about the second coming.

Interesting we see the basis of everything you believe in eschatology is based on the assumption of soul sleep.

What a waste .

What a huge investment torn down by......ironically ......the bible.

 

[Laura798]

Interesting we see the basis of everything you believe in eschatology is based on the assumption of soul sleep.

What a waste .

What a huge investment torn down by......ironically ......the bible.

To call a position supported so strongly by scripture an assumption shows the darkness and blindness of your heart— it is evident by these forums there is only a remnant of true believers— youd rather hold on to your false doctrine the Protestants got from their Mother church— the Roman Catholic Church— that of the immortal soul than the gospel of Jesus Christ.

 

[Laura798]

Interesting we see the basis of everything you believe in eschatology is based on the assumption of soul sleep.

What a waste .

What a huge investment torn down by......ironically ......the bible.

Then obviously you do not have the one true bible.

 

[Laura798]

So the entire book of rev is on your dismissal list.

That is spiritual blindness.

Of course you and every one on this forum know that is not true—i dont believe you can be a Christian when you write lies-lies that can be easily proven by reading my other posts. You are just like the Pharisees who stoned stephen for speaking the truth.

 

[Laura798]

Thank you for exposing the basis of your error.

I blew a hole in your doctrine so huge you can sail a ship through it.

....and you are oblivious to it

You are evil.

 

[Nehemiah6]

It shows a serious ignorance and backwardness regarding the order of things.

So far the only one showing a serious ignorance of Bible truth is yourself. If you do not believe that the saints go directly to Heaven when they die, you do not believe God and Christ. So anything you post is worthless.

 

[Laura798]

Thank you for exposing the basis of your error.

I blew a hole in your doctrine so huge you can sail a ship through it.

....and you are oblivious to it

of course that is false. If a theological professor compared our posts they would see most of your post are delusional ad hominem attacks— and i see David and lamad (sp) agreeing with you, like bullies on the playground

 

[Laura798]

So far the only one showing a serious ignorance of Bible truth is yourself. If you do not believe that the saints go directly to Heaven when they die, you do not believe God and Christ. So anything you post is worthless.

Myth from the RCC who got it from the pagans— false doctrine of the immortal soul. Very primitive in this modern age when you have every translation of the bible known to man at your finger tips. You all are really without excuse.

 

[DavidTree]

You are evil.

Dear Laura,
Good Morning

His Precious Blood opened the Door for our Marriage Union with Christ at the Right hand of the Father.

And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, in which you used to walk when you conformed to the ways of this world and of the ruler of the power of the air, the spirit who is now at work in the sons of disobedience. All of us also lived among them at one time, fulfilling the cravings of our flesh and indulging its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature children of wrath.
But because of His great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in our trespasses. It is by grace you have been saved! And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with Him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, in order that in the coming ages He might display the surpassing riches of His grace, demonstrated by His kindness to us in Christ Jesus.

For it is by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not from yourselves; it is the gift of God, not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance as our way of life.

We are in Christ now, right now.

When Jesus knew in Himself that His disciples complained about this, He said to them, “Does this offend you?
What then if you should see the Son of Man ascend where He was before?
It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.

But there are some of you who do not believe.”

 

[DavidTree]

of course that is false. If a theological professor compared our posts they would see most of your post are delusional ad hominem attacks— and i see David and lamad (sp) agreeing with you, like bullies on the playground

theological professor??? = they only exist in carnal religions around the world

 

[DavidTree]

of course that is false. If a theological professor compared our posts they would see most of your post are delusional ad hominem attacks— and i see David and lamad (sp) agreeing with you, like bullies on the playground

Dear Laura, religion is always the bully. i am here for You and more importantly = CHRIST is here for you.

Just trust His Word like a little child that we ALL are.

There are no 'theological professors' in Heaven and none ever made it in.

ONLY from the Father's Call and thru the Precious Blood of Christ = for by Grace have you been saved not of works lest any man should boast.

Then he said, “I tell you the truth, unless you turn from your sins and become like little children, you will never get into the Kingdom of Heaven.

 

[Laura798]

So far the only one showing a serious ignorance of Bible truth is yourself. If you do not believe that the saints go directly to Heaven when they die, you do not believe God and Christ. So anything you post is worthless.

Worthless? you are so dark, so very dark. You say things like this all the time— call what is say baloney you and Absolutely spend most of your time on the forums being rude and putting others down.
“Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' 23 Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knewyou; depart from Me, you workers oflawlessness!'—Matthew 7:22-23