Saved by Water

[peldom10]

I would say also that since sprinkling is a valid form of baptism, that you can pour water over your own head while asking God to baptize you in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth for the remission of sins as you do so.

If you already have the Spirit, then it will be God who sprinkles clean water on you (Ezekiel 36:25-27) and if you do not have the Spirit, I believe that the prayer will obtain from the Lord His action in the process.

It will be God sprinkling clean water on you; and He will cleanse you from your filthiness and from your idols.

If you do not have filthiness or idols, then disregard this post. For Jesus came not to call the righteous but sinners to repentance.

I believe that the water can indeed be a solidifying of the repentance that you want to appropriate before God.

It certainly won't hurt you to do what I am saying; in fact there is an absolute promise associated with doing what I am saying.

If it doesn't take somehow, you can always go and get it professionally done by an Apostolic minister;

But I believe that God will honour any semblance of faith that would actually take the step of doing what I am saying.

Sprinkling is not a valid form of baptism.
Where did you get that from?

 

[peldom10]

With all this said, IF IF IF you think you are saved because of getting water baptized, your trust is misplaced.

Water baptism does save. scripture tells us that.

 

[peldom10]

Let's look at it again.

" Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."

Why all this assumption that Peter was talking about water here?

What did John the baptizer say about Jesus? Mark 1:8 - I baptize you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.”

John was making a clear distinction between 2 DIFFERENT kinds of baptism. His baptism was symbolic a ritual involving water.

Jesus baptized with the Holy Spirit, NO water involved. When a person believes, they HAVE the Holy Spirit in them. This is a real identification.

Note what Peter and company (6 believers) said about their time with Cornelius:

Acts 11-
12 The Spirit told me to have no hesitation about going with them. These six brothers also went with me, and we entered the man’s house.
13 He told us how he had seen an angel appear in his house and say, ‘Send to Joppa for Simon who is called Peter.
14 He will bring you a message through which you and all your household will be saved.’
15 “As I began to speak, the Holy Spirit came on them as he had come on us at the beginning.
16 Then I remembered what the Lord had said: ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’
17 So if God gave them the same gift he gave us who believed in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I to think that I could stand in God’s way?”

We see that an angel told Cornelius that Peter's message would bring salvation in v.14
v.15 shows the Holy Spirit's indwelling on those who had believed.
v.16 Peter recalls Jesus' words about John the baptizer. All in CONTEXT.
v.17 Peter equates the experience of the Holy Spirit with Cornelius and household with their own experience on the Day of Penecost when the believers received the Holy Spirit.

Now, WHEN was Cornelius baptized? AFTER receiving the Holy Spirit. Water baptism had NOTHING to do with his receiving the Holy Spirit. Any more than when Peter and the other 120 believers (Acts 1:15) received the Holy Spirit, where there was NO WATER BAPTISM mentioned at all.

Because the Bible defines baptism in the OT as for skin cleansing and then in the NT as cleansing of sin. Thus water proved.

 

[FreeGrace2]

FreeGrace2 said:
With all this said, IF IF IF you think you are saved because of getting water baptized, your trust is misplaced.

I believe that Jesus will confess me before the Father and before the holy angels because I have confessed Him before men in water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth for the remission of sins.

I believe that I have also received remission of sins and the Holy Ghost, as promised.

Since it's all based on your having been water baptized, where is your trust REALLY placed???

It appears you DO think you must be water baptised to be saved.

 

[FreeGrace2]

FreeGrace2 said:
This also demonstrates your FALSE BELIEFS.

No one "asks God to baptise you". That's absurd. God GIVES the Holy Spirit WHEN a person believes in Christ.

Gal 3:2,5
2 I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard?

5 So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard?

Those who hear and believe the gospel HAVE the Holy Spirit. No one asks for His indwelling. Just a false doctrine.

Luk 11:9, And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.
Luk 11:10, For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
Luk 11:11, If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?
Luk 11:12, Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?
Luk 11:13, If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

Nothing here refutes what I posted. But you just don't understand Gal 3:2,5. The Holy Spirit is given on the basis of faith. Not asking.

Also, Jesus said v.13 in the OT setting, where very few believers had the Holy Spirit. It is universal in the NT, in that all believers receive the Holy Spirit. Not so in the OT.

King David asked the Lord to not take the Holy Spirit from him. That was legitimate because the Holy Spirit could be removed in the OT.

Not so today. Any believer who prays that today simply is demonstrating a failure of belief in Gal 3:2,5 and other clear verses.

Jesus is here purporting false doctrine, in your opinion?

My opinion is that you are quite confused about a lot of things.

To even suggest to another believer that they would opine that Jesus pushed false doctrine is worse than absurd.

But such are those who are so confused about what the Bible actually teaches.

ps: I find your screen name a bit ironic, since from all your posts it could just as well read "justbyfaithandwaterbaptism".

 

[FreeGrace2]

It should be clear that it was water baptism that was being advocated in Acts 2:38-39.

I parsed the verse and PROVED that being baptised was separated from the rest of the verse by the "and". You are forcing the verse to say what it doesn't say.

 

[FreeGrace2]

FreeGrace2 said:
I guess you really don't understand how contradicted you are here.

First you say you don't deny "there are two Persons".

Then you end with "they are the same Person".

So, you claim that "two Persons" are "the same Person".

I'll just let that sink in for a while.

My answer to this is that the Father exists as a Spirit inhabiting eternity (Isaiah 57:15). He lived one eternal moment and then descended into time in order to take on human flesh;

This doesn't even come close to addressing my points above.

You have CONTRADICTED yourself. Deal with it.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Water baptism does save. scripture tells us that.

Please support your claims with evidence. Claims without evidence are empty claims.

Show Scripture that says what you claim. Thanks.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Because the Bible defines baptism in the OT as for skin cleansing and then in the NT as cleansing of sin. Thus water proved.

If you want Scripture on "cleansing of sin", look to 1 John 1:9, a verse for believers.

" If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness".

 

[oyster67]

Luke 3:16 John answered, saying unto [them] all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:

What baptism would you seek, my friends?

As for me, I shall seek that which is of and by my Lord and Saviour.

Ephesians
4:4 [There is] one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

 

[justbyfaith]

Sprinkling is not a valid form of baptism.
Where did you get that from?

Ezekiel 36:25-27 indicates that regeneration can occur as the result of sprinkling.

 

[justbyfaith]

Since it's all based on your having been water baptized, where is your trust REALLY placed???

The promises of God.

 

[justbyfaith]

My opinion is that you are quite confused about a lot of things.

My opinion is that you have three fingers pointing back at you (Matthew 7:1-5, Luke 6:41-42).

However, may the Lord abundantly bless you and receive you as a son.

 

[justbyfaith]

To even suggest to another believer that they would opine that Jesus pushed false doctrine is worse than absurd.

Yet, Jesus pushed the doctrine that you were saying was false.

 

[justbyfaith]

I parsed the verse and PROVED that being baptised was separated from the rest of the verse by the "and". You are forcing the verse to say what it doesn't say.

You are blindly touting opinions that have no basis in holy scripture.

I really feel sorry for you, friend.

 

[justbyfaith]

FreeGrace2 said:
I guess you really don't understand how contradicted you are here.

First you say you don't deny "there are two Persons".

Then you end with "they are the same Person".

So, you claim that "two Persons" are "the same Person".

I'll just let that sink in for a while.

This doesn't even come close to addressing my points above.

You have CONTRADICTED yourself. Deal with it.

Why don't you answer the whole of the post instead of pulling out the first statement within it, as though that were all I had to say on the matter?

 

[justbyfaith]

Please support your claims with evidence. Claims without evidence are empty claims.

Show Scripture that says what you claim. Thanks.

I have given the scriptures a few times which you ignored.

Here, again:

Acts 2:38-39, Romans 6:1-4, Galatians 3:27, Colossians 2:11-15, 1 Peter 3:20-21; Ezekiel 36:25-27.

Eze 36:25, Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
Eze 36:26, A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Eze 36:27, And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

This relates the reality that regeneration can occur as the result of sprinkling baptism; and the other verses also relate the understanding that baptism has the power to save / sanctify.

 

[justbyfaith]

Luke 3:16 John answered, saying unto [them] all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:

What baptism would you seek, my friends?

As for me, I shall seek that which is of and by my Lord and Saviour.

Ephesians
4:4 [There is] one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

Is water baptism not baptism?

If it is baptism, then it it an aspect of the one baptism in the scripture you have quoted.

Baptism is three-in-one (like the Trinity):

1) water
2) the Holy Ghost
3) fire.

 

[justbyfaith]

You are blindly touting opinions that have no basis in holy scripture.

I really feel sorry for you, friend.

It should be clear that it was water baptism that was being advocated in Acts 2:38-39.

Otherwise Peter was being redundant..."you will be baptized in the Holy Spirit as the result of being baptized in the Holy Spirit"...

 

[justbyfaith]

You have CONTRADICTED yourself. Deal with it.

I have not contradicted myself; however you are blind to the realities of what I am preaching so you cannot see how the apparent contradictions are reconciled.

I assure you that the contradiction is only in your own mind.