If The Kingdom isn't here yet then what is JESUS CHRIST a King of?

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To turn away from GOD in the Millennium Reign after His Return would be sin, so if there isn't sin anymore at that point, how are people going to be deceived by satan when he is loosed?
because:

"If anyone thinks he knows anything, he does not yet know it as he ought to know it."

so thinking we know and knowing are two different things though a person could have both. but if their eye is not single as the Bible says - the opposite would be - that there is darkness in them. this blocks the light (knowledge) of things not known about God.
 
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Luke 14:15,23
...Blessed is he that shall eat bread in the kingdom of God.
And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled.
 

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To turn away from GOD in the Millennium Reign after His Return would be sin, so if there isn't sin anymore at that point, how are people going to be deceived by satan when he is loosed?
Jesus will rule with a rod of iron. The Millennium is not the Final State. When Satan is loosed, people will be rebellious just as they are now. We need to understand that not all people in the Millenium will be glorified. Revelation is very clear about these things.
 
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Jesus will rule with a rod of iron. The Millennium is not the Final State. When Satan is loosed, people will be rebellious just as they are now. We need to understand that not all people in the Millenium will be glorified. Revelation is very clear about these things.
So let me get this straight, Premills think GOD is going to Reign Physically on earth and then after a thousand years people will join satan in thinking they could fight Physical GOD. What are you guys smoking???
 

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So let me get this straight, Premills think GOD is going to Reign Physically on earth and then after a thousand years people will join satan in thinking they could fight Physical GOD.
Congrats. You have bopped it right on the knob. (y)
 
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If you don't have GOD'S Presence (Citizen of The Kingdom/Child of GOD) in you now, what makes you think you will be a Citizen in the Afterlife?

Why do you think it matters what we are wearing for the Marriage Feast?

Matthew 22:2,11
The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,
11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:

We are in the great tribulation now! Does this not sound like The Reborn that are CHRIST'S Citizens?:

Revelation 7:9,12-17
After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.
13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.
17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.
 
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Does anyone here think GOD does not dwell among us today?

15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.

What if the Throne of The Lamb is The Cross?

17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them,
and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.
 
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The Throne and Judgment started 2,000 years ago.

Psalm 9:7-9
But the LORD shall endure for ever: he hath prepared his throne for judgment.
And he shall judge the world in righteousness, he shall minister judgment to the people in uprightness.
The LORD also will be a refuge for the oppressed, a refuge in times of trouble.
 
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John 12:30-32
Jesus answered and said, This voice came not because of me, but for your sakes.
Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

Matthew 28:18
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
 
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We Join CHRIST on The Cross when we are Reborn.

Revelation 3:21
The one who conquers, I will grant him to sit with me on my throne, as I also conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne.

We enter The Kingdom of The Body of CHRIST when we sit on His Throne with Him.

Revelation 7:17
because the Lamb, who is in the midst of the throne, …why tell us about JESUS being in the middle of a Throne? JESUS was in the middle of The Cross.
 
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The “Rod of Iron” Jesus uses is not what you thought
The link says everything that needs to be said. Premills have this ridiculous idea that JESUS is going to be some evil king just like all the other prophetic beasts. it never occurs to you that after the thousand years satan is loosed …and somehow people are dumb enough to fight your physical beast king GOD.

You should be trying to become a citizen of The Kingdom today.
 

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The Throne and Judgment started 2,000 years ago.

Psalm 9:7-9
But the LORD shall endure for ever: he hath prepared his throne for judgment.
And he shall judge the world in righteousness, he shall minister judgment to the people in uprightness.
The LORD also will be a refuge for the oppressed, a refuge in times of trouble.
The Millenium is yet future and, after that, comes the White Thrown Judgement of the wicked.

Very good verse, btw. :)(y)
 

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John 12:30-32
Jesus answered and said, This voice came not because of me, but for your sakes.
Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
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12:30 Jesus answered and said, This voice came not because of me, but for your sakes.
12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all [men] unto me.
12:33 This he said, signifying what death he should die.

The “Rod of Iron” Jesus uses is not what you thought
The link says everything that needs to be said. Premills have this ridiculous idea that JESUS is going to be some evil king just like all the other prophetic beasts. it never occurs to you that after the thousand years satan is loosed …and somehow people are dumb enough to fight your physical beast king GOD.

You should be trying to become a citizen of The Kingdom today.
"evil king", "beast king"? I suggest that someone needs to do some fast back-peddling.

Psalms 2:9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

Revelation
2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and [to] his throne.

19:14 And the armies [which were] in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
19:16 And he hath on [his] vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
19:18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all [men, both] free and bond, both small and great.
19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which [sword] proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

No, my friend, the King of Glory is not the waltzing pink flamingo that you try to paint Him as. He is a God of Justice to those who reject His precious gift. Do you deny the reality of eternal hell also?

It almost appears that you have written your own "bible".
 
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If the full 69th week of Daniel's 70 weeks has passed, does that mean The Messiah was "cut off" in the middle of the 70th week?
Yes, absolutely.. Jesus arrived and was baptized at the end of the 69th week. Which started the 70th week.

Remember that Jesus said that He came only for the house of Israel? God was trying to get the nation as a whole, to spread the gospel.. so Jesus confirmed the new covenant with many Jews for 3 1/2 years. Then on the cross, He was “cut off" from the land of the living(Ish 53:8) which then ended the animal sacrifice..

Jesus then, thru His direct apostles, confirmed the new covenant to many more Jews for another 3 1/2 years. This is why in Acts 2, the apostles needed another one to replace Judas, so they could fulfill scripture…

After the 70th week, Steven was stoned, and God Himself sent Philip, Peter & Paul to gentiles…

Jesus fulfilled Daniel 9, and just as the Messiahs people killed Him, which made God determine the desolation, so also did His people destroy the city by rioting, which was the desolation…

So Premillennialism is ridiculous for sticking a week onto the end of time because the 70 Weeks have already happened. The kicker is that they take The SAVIOR’S Covenant from the 70 Weeks and hand it to the antichrist.​
 
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The Kingdom of The Body of CHRIST is Mount Zion.

sex, drugs, music, self-idolatry, and false religion is the end time battle against GOD'S Kingdom.
 
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