Jesus Came To Fulfill Not To Destroy

[Phoneman-777]

what did did Jesus say about the sabbath and the Ten commandments in the new testement =

Mat 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Mat 12:11 And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?
Mat 12:12 How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.

Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Mar_1:21 And they went into Capernaum; and straightway on the sabbath day he entered into the synagogue, and taught.

Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

Luk_13:10 And he was teaching in one of the synagogues on the sabbath.

Luk_23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

Act_13:14 But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.
Act_13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
Act_13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
Act_15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

Act_17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
Act_18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.

Col_2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Heb 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
Heb 4:5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment:

Mat 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:

Rom 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Mat 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Mat 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Mat 19:19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Jas 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
Jas 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

Be honest the Sabbath was never taken away or the ten commandments. True we are saved by faith but that does not make the law void.

I like Lamsa's rendering of Hebrews 4:9 from the Peshitta:

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"It is therefore the duty of the people of God to keep the Sabbath..."​

Our duty ...because by resting outwardly and literally from our labor on the seventh day after working the first six days (according to the whole commandment) we stand as both a light and a rebuke to the entire pagan world that has manufactured every stripe and type of false deity imaginable and demonstrate to all that we are resting inwardly by faith in the ONE TRUE GOD, our Creator Who created in six days and rested the seventh day, Who also is our Redeemer Who even kept the Sabbath in His death before rising again as our High Priest "Who ever liveth to make intercession for us".

 

[Yahshua]

You do realize Paul and the others were not imposing these measures on the church at large, but for mission purposes only, right?

Can you provide proof of this in scripture, specifically, that the instructions were for missionary work and not for the church at large? Because letters were delivered to communities (synagogues) who followed the elders of The Way; teaching Moses every sabbath day. What distinguishes the church at large from these groups?

Again, Paul explicitly said that it didn't matter if men get circumcised anymore, but only the "commandments of God" aka the Ten Commandments mattered now: 1 Corinthians 7:19 KJV

We're pitting Paul's words in one portion against his words in another portion. Inspired by the Holy Spirit, Paul couldn't have contradicted himself or had words he said at one time cancel out words he wrote later on the same subject. So we should probably put all of his words together and see how they harmonize. It all must be true.

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1) We have Paul himself proclaiming to everyone that he never taught against the law of Moses. So either he lied or we have to reconcile this truth with what we think he's saying in his letters.


2) In Romans 2 Paul explains that true circumcision is of the heart, not the flesh. So circumcision didn't disappear.


3) Deuteronomy 30:6
And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.


So, one who follows the greatest commandment in the law of Moses IS being circumcised...this is what Paul is explaining and why Messiah said on the greatest commandments hang the law.


4) Paul followed the instructions of James and the elders regarding what he taught to Jews & Gentiles because he was under their authority. His authority never superseded theirs. Each of his letters continued to express their judgment on the matter. Note that the portion you're referring to reflects the same council as the elders.


1 Corinthians 7:18-20 [Brackets mine; context added from Romans and Deuteronomy]
18 Is any man called being circumcised [i.e. being a JEW]? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision [i.e. being a Gentile]? let him not be circumcised [of the flesh].

19 Circumcision [of the flesh] is nothing, and uncircumcision [of the flesh] is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God [true circumcision of the heart; Deut 30:6].

20 Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called.


Jews were routinely called "The Circumcision" (i.e. the circumcised), while Gentiles were known as "The Uncircumcision" (i.e. the uncircumcised). Notice that Paul's message mirrors his message in Romans as well as mirrors the determination the elders made at the council.


Romans 2:14-15
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another


The specific men who contended with Paul were unable to see that the spirit of the SAME circumcision law was being applied and fully realized. They were looking at the letter and the flesh, and so they accused him of preaching against the law of Moses, which both Paul and the elders said was not true.

Meanwhile, even though you truly support Paul unfortunately you're making the same mistake as those accusers of the 1st century still focused on the "letters" regarding the circumcision law (as if it's only "the removal of the foreskin") and so misunderstanding Paul.

He did not teach against the law of Moses, brother.

 

[Jocund]

Can you provide proof of this in scripture, specifically, that the instructions were for missionary work and not for the church at large? Because letters were delivered to communities (synagogues) who followed the elders of The Way; teaching Moses every sabbath day. What distinguishes the church at large from these groups?



We're pitting Paul's words in one portion against his words in another portion. Inspired by the Holy Spirit, Paul couldn't have contradicted himself or had words he said at one time cancel out words he wrote later on the same subject. So we should probably put all of his words together and see how they harmonize. It all must be true.

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1) We have Paul himself proclaiming to everyone that he never taught against the law of Moses. So either he lied or we have to reconcile this truth with what we think he's saying in his letters.


2) In Romans 2 Paul explains that true circumcision is of the heart, not the flesh. So circumcision didn't disappear.


3) Deuteronomy 30:6
And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.


So, one who follows the greatest commandment in the law of Moses IS being circumcised...this is what Paul is explaining and why Messiah said on the greatest commandments hang the law.


4) Paul followed the instructions of James and the elders regarding what he taught to Jews & Gentiles because he was under their authority. His authority never superseded theirs. Each of his letters continued to express their judgment on the matter. Note that the portion you're referring to reflects the same council as the elders.


1 Corinthians 7:18-20 [Brackets mine; context added from Romans and Deuteronomy]
18 Is any man called being circumcised [i.e. being a JEW]? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision [i.e. being a Gentile]? let him not be circumcised [of the flesh].

19 Circumcision [of the flesh] is nothing, and uncircumcision [of the flesh] is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God [true circumcision of the heart; Deut 30:6].

20 Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called.


Jews were routinely called "The Circumcision" (i.e. the circumcised), while Gentiles were known as "The Uncircumcision" (i.e. the uncircumcised). Notice that Paul's message mirrors his message in Romans as well as mirrors the determination the elders made at the council.


Romans 2:14-15
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another


The specific men who contended with Paul were unable to see that the spirit of the SAME circumcision law was being applied and fully realized. They were looking at the letter and the flesh, and so they accused him of preaching against the law of Moses, which both Paul and the elders said was not true.

Meanwhile, even though you truly support Paul unfortunately you're making the same mistake as those accusers of the 1st century still focused on the "letters" regarding the circumcision law (as if it's only "the removal of the foreskin") and so misunderstanding Paul.

He did not teach against the law of Moses, brother.

We see in Exodus a commandment to circumcise males on their eighth day. What you are proposing by "circumcision of the heart" is a fulfilment through equivalency. And in that, I agree! But if you take that concept a step further and apply that to all OT law and then compare it to what is said in the NT, you will see that other OT requirements including the ritual observances of the weekly Sabbath are fulfilled in Christ and need not be followed verbatim as written in the OT alone.

 

[Yahshua]

We see in Exodus a commandment to circumcise males on their eighth day. What you are proposing by "circumcision of the heart" is a fulfilment through equivalency. And in that, I agree! But if you take that concept a step further and apply that to all OT law and then compare it to what is said in the NT, you will see that other OT requirements including the ritual observances of the weekly Sabbath are fulfilled in Christ and need not be followed verbatim as written in the OT alone.

Well, a few things...

1) Not all the law has been fulfilled, said by Messiah Himself. The fact that we have remaining prophecies to fulfill from Ezekiel to Revelation - as well as the remaining Holy Sabbath feasts of the Fall - prove there's still much remaining.

Colossians 2:17 says "which ARE shadows of things TO COME". There is still more to come, and the shadows were meant to continue the rehearsal of those remaining things prophesying their fulfillment (so that we are ready when it happens).

Specifically, the 1000-year reign IS the Sabbath Rest; The Day of the Lord; The Lord's Day that all sabbaths point to.


2) It depends on what one means by "fulfilled in Christ", and by "we rest in Him". Not saying you're implying this, but these phrases don't mean "I believe in Christ therefore I fulfill the Sabbath day law and so don't need to remember it or keep it Holy". Such would be lawlessness.

With the circumcision law, we're literally told that obeying the greatest commandment = true circumcision. Likewise, Hebrews 4:9 says "there REMAINS a sabbath rest for the people of God", and ties this "rest" to obedience in the following verse.


Hebrews 4:11
Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following the same pattern of disobedience.


You'll recall that because Israel disobeyed The Almighty by refusing to conquer the promised land that they were punished to wander in the wilderness until that generation died off. Hebrews says Almighty swore that they would never enter His rest because of their disobedience.

So, to obey = to rest from our own works, and to do His work. If you'll recall, this is what I said earlier when you asked what following the law means in the NT.


3) Sabbath Day Law (summarizing many OT references) - Remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy. For 6 days you shall do your work but on the 7th day you shall rest; holy to the Lord; day of sacred assembly. No plowing your field, selling, buying, etc...it shall be for a sign between me and you to know that I am your God.


I agree it can't be verbatim these days. One passage refers to plowing fields. I don't particularly own any land...but I do have my own work to do that has nothing to do with The Almighty's kingdom but with making money by selling products and services.

So in remembrance of the Sabbath - and since it was the specific day the Almighty sanctified which never changed in all of scripture - I honor Him by resting from my work and performing His work on the day as one of His priests.


4) The feasts are considered High Sabbaths. In Zechariah 14, it is prophesied that after the battle of Armageddon, when the Messiah reigns, that the nations will be required to honor the feast of Tabernacles in Jerusalem or be punished with no rain and with cursing.

Admittedly this isn't a weekly sabbath, but it is still a sabbath that will be required of all. If the sabbath is fulfilled in Messiah then I ask myself, "why will this High Sabbath be required year after year in the millennium?"

 

[Grandpa]

I like Lamsa's rendering of Hebrews 4:9 from the Peshitta:

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"It is therefore the duty of the people of God to keep the Sabbath..."​

Our duty ...because by resting outwardly and literally from our labor on the seventh day after working the first six days (according to the whole commandment) we stand as both a light and a rebuke to the entire pagan world that has manufactured every stripe and type of false deity imaginable and demonstrate to all that we are resting inwardly by faith in the ONE TRUE GOD, our Creator Who created in six days and rested the seventh day, Who also is our Redeemer Who even kept the Sabbath in His death before rising again as our High Priest "Who ever liveth to make intercession for us".

Hebrews 4:9-10
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.


Did God rest every 7th day? Nope. Just the once was enough.

So then HOW does a person rest when they are working at the Law? Its a complete CONTRADICTION of scripture, isn't it?


Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Does the Lord only give this rest on saturdays as well? How is what the Lord gives in Matthew 11:28 related to Hebrews 4???


I don't expect someone who enjoys contradicting scripture to get it. But others reading certainly will.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

I like Lamsa's rendering of Hebrews 4:9 from the Peshitta:

​

"It is therefore the duty of the people of God to keep the Sabbath..."​

Our duty ...because by resting outwardly and literally from our labor on the seventh day after working the first six days (according to the whole commandment) we stand as both a light and a rebuke to the entire pagan world that has manufactured every stripe and type of false deity imaginable and demonstrate to all that we are resting inwardly by faith in the ONE TRUE GOD, our Creator Who created in six days and rested the seventh day, Who also is our Redeemer Who even kept the Sabbath in His death before rising again as our High Priest "Who ever liveth to make intercession for us".

Hebrews 4:8–10 (NKJV): 8 For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. 10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.

why do people want Gods children to go back to work?

 

[Knowledged]

Yes, the Law must be kept, it is God's standard of righteousness to this very day.

What some can't grasp is that the Ten Commandments is the reflection of God, who He is in righteousness.

The Law is not the problem, it is pure and righteous, the problem is that fallen man can't keep it.

Rom. 7:12-14

Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

"Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin."

What Paul is saying here is that the Law is just and righteous, but man in his fallen state can't meet God's demand by keeping it. When man tries, he brings the death sentence on himself by not meeting the standard.

This is where Christ steps in! He fulfilled the Law for us and by faith in Him we are seen as keepers of the Law.

The demands of the Law we can't keep and condemns us to death was kept perfectly by Christ. In order for us to keep the demands of the Law, we must place our faith in the One who kept the Law for us and gave His life to bring us back into fellowship with God with His own Blood sacrifice for our sins.

John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments ye shall abide in my love; even I have kept my Fathers commandments and abide in his love. John 14: 15 if ye love me, keep my commandments.
what do these Scriptures mean?

 

[Knowledged]

I totally agree with Charlie24
if Jesus kept the law ( John 15:10) and you say you follow Christ why do they refuse to keep the law!

 

[Knowledged]

Hebrews 4:9-10
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.


Did God rest every 7th day? Nope. Just the once was enough.

So then HOW does a person rest when they are working at the Law? Its a complete CONTRADICTION of scripture, isn't it?


Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Does the Lord only give this rest on saturdays as well? How is what the Lord gives in Matthew 11:28 related to Hebrews 4???


I don't expect someone who enjoys contradicting scripture to get it. But others reading certainly will.

 

[Charlie24]

John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments ye shall abide in my love; even I have kept my Fathers commandments and abide in his love. John 14: 15 if ye love me, keep my commandments.
what do these Scriptures mean?

It means that all the commandments are condensed into one commandment. Notice John uses the singular when using the word "commandment."

1 John 3:22-23

"And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment."

John is telling us that we keep all the commandments by faith in Jesus Christ and loving one another.

The entire Law is fulfilled in this!

 

[Knowledged]

Hebrews 4:9-10
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.


Did God rest every 7th day? Nope. Just the once was enough.

So then HOW does a person rest when they are working at the Law? Its a complete CONTRADICTION of scripture, isn't it?


Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Does the Lord only give this rest on saturdays as well? How is what the Lord gives in Matthew 11:28 related to Hebrews 4???


I don't expect someone who enjoys contradicting scripture to get it. But others reading certainly will.

Matt. 12: 11 And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall

 

[Knowledged]

It means that all the commandments are condensed into one commandment. Notice John uses the singular when using the word "commandment."

1 John 3:22-23

"And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment."

John is telling us that we keep all the commandments by faith in Jesus Christ and loving one another.

The entire Law is fulfilled in this!

What’ love according to the Bible? 1 John3:4 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments
and his commandments are not grievous. Can we give God a hug? no, thats why Christ said this: Matt. 15:8
This people draw near to me with their mouth, and honor me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. (Love is an action word)
1 John 2:3- 4 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandment
vs4 He that saith, I Know him and keepeth not his commandment, is a liar and the truth is not in him
example: if you have children they can say they love you but the way to show you the love you is to do what you say. Same with God! this is all New Testament lol,

 

[Knowledged]

What’ love according to the Bible? 1 John3:4 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments
and his commandments are not grievous. Can we give God a hug? no, thats why Christ said this: Matt. 15:8
This people draw near to me with their mouth, and honor me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. (Love is an action word)
1 John 2:3- 4 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandment
vs4 He that saith, I Know him and keepeth not his commandment, is a liar and the truth is not in him
example: if you have children they can say they love you but the way to show you the love you is to do what you say. Same with God! this is all New Testament lol,

What’ love according to the Bible? 1 John3:4 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments
and his commandments are not grievous. Can we give God a hug? no, thats why Christ said this: Matt. 15:8
This people draw near to me with their mouth, and honor me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. (Love is an action word)
1 John 2:3- 4 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandment
vs4 He that saith, I Know him and keepeth not his commandment, is a liar and the truth is not in him
example: if you have children they can say they love you but the way to show you the love you is to do what you say. Same with God! this is all New Testament lol,

Revelation 14: 12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that Keep the Commandments of God,
and the faith of Jesus. you have to do both! not my words, thats thus say the Lord!

 

[Charlie24]

Revelation 14: 12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that Keep the Commandments of God,
and the faith of Jesus. you have to do both! not my words, thats thus say the Lord!

I agree that the commandments must be kept, and there is only one way man can do it.

How do you keep the commandments?

 

[Knowledged]

Paul talks against your point in (Gal. 3:1, 13, 16-17, 19, 24) (v.1) O FOOLISH Ga-la’-tians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? (v.13) Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, CURSED IS EVERYONE THAT HANGETH ON A TREE: What law is this talking about? Let the bible speak for itself.

(v.16) Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, and to seeds, as of many; but as of One, AND TO THY SEED, which is Christ. (v.17) And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

Now pay attention, the law that is being spoken of here came four hundred and thirty years after this covenant. But God’s holy commandments have been around forever even before man was created. Remember that Satan was kicked out of heaven because iniquity (sin) was found in him. And what is sin? The transgression of the law (commandments). Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Now we have just read the biblical definition of sin, the transgression (breaking) of the law (commandments.) It doesn’t matter what you or I think sin is, it’s what God says sin is that counts. (1John 3:4)

(v.19) Wherefore then serveth the law? A question is being asked here. Then why should we serve this law? It was added because of transgression, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; the law that we are talking about here was added because of sin. But we now know that sin is the transgression of the law.

How do you add a law if sin is the transgression of the law? Because there are two sets of laws, you have God’s holy commandments which abided forever, and you had the animal sacrificial law which was added because of sin, but it was only good until the seed should come to whom the promise was made, and that seed was Jesus.

(v.24) Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. This animal sacrificial law was only a schoolmaster.

And this schoolmaster taught you that when you sinned in ignorance blood had to be shed (an animal sacrificed). But Christ being the ultimate sacrifice shed his precious blood once and for all, and by doing this putting an end to the animal sacrificial law. Paul says in Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. So when you quoted all the places in the Bible that do away with this animal sacrificial law, not understanding that Paul talks about two sets of law. The Royal law (Ten Commandments) and the animal sacrificial law sometimes in the same verse you bring destruction to yourselves.

you said a lot so what law are you saying Christ fulfilled, Make it plain

 

[Knowledged]

Acts 3:18 but those things , which God before had showed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer he hath so fulfilled. Example: Dogs surrounded me, a pack of villains encircles me; they Pierce my hands and feet . there several others scriptures

Hebrews 10: 1-5 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, ( When Christ come) and not the very image of a things, can never with those Sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. And if you go to Hebrews 10:2 they had no more conscience for sin.
Because what was happening they were sinning wilfully they would sin and have a animal ready to sacrifice, old animals three legs whatever) they had more conscience for sin like it states in Heb. 10:2
Christ fulfilled the law of animal sacrifice Not all the laws!
under the law of Moses it was some laws you couldn’t be forgiven for : adultry not keeping the Sabbath you were put to death. the punishment change, now under Christ you can repent! you got time to get yourself together.
Hebrews 10: 5 wherefore when he (Christ) cometh into the world, he say, Sacrifice and offerings thou wouldest not, but a body has thou prepared me. because Christ was the perfect Sacrifice.
Matt. 5:17 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
Malachi 3:6 For I am the LORD I change not

 

[Knowledged]

I agree that the commandments must be kept, and there is only one way man can do it.

How do you keep the commandments?[/QUOTE
To the best of your ability, if you make a mistake you repent (stop sinning) and return back to the law
We are all working on something.
that why Christ said this: Luke 5:32 I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

 

[Knowledged]

great example misinterpreted Scripture: Grace: let’s let the Bible speak!
Titus 2:11 For grace of God that bring salvation has appeared to all men.
vs 12 teaching us that denying Ungodliness and worldl lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, in this present world;

just like if you have a bill to pay and they give you a grace period you still have to pay it!
you just are allowed a little time.
Christ did not die so you can keep sinning! Stop the madness!

 

[Charlie24]

Not me, I'm only working on increasing my faith in Christ which will give the Holy Spirit more room to work out the commandments through me. It's about me surrendering to Christ and depending on Him to keep the commandments through me.

Rom. 8:3-4

"For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."

The walking after the flesh is trying to keep the Law of my own ability, Paul said NO!

The walking after the Spirit is my yielding to Him by faith and letting Him keep the Law through me.

I do the same as the apostle Paul, he knew much more about it than I could ever hope to know!

Gal. 2:19-21

"For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.

I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain."


Paul let Christ live through him by faith. It's the only way the Law will be fulfilled in your life!

 

[Knowledged]

I agree that the commandments must be kept, and there is only one way man can do it.

How do you keep the commandments?

Can you provide proof of this in scripture, specifically, that the instructions were for missionary work and not for the church at large? Because letters were delivered to communities (synagogues) who followed the elders of The Way; teaching Moses every sabbath day. What distinguishes the church at large from these groups?



We're pitting Paul's words in one portion against his words in another portion. Inspired by the Holy Spirit, Paul couldn't have contradicted himself or had words he said at one time cancel out words he wrote later on the same subject. So we should probably put all of his words together and see how they harmonize. It all must be true.

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1) We have Paul himself proclaiming to everyone that he never taught against the law of Moses. So either he lied or we have to reconcile this truth with what we think he's saying in his letters.


2) In Romans 2 Paul explains that true circumcision is of the heart, not the flesh. So circumcision didn't disappear.


3) Deuteronomy 30:6
And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.


So, one who follows the greatest commandment in the law of Moses IS being circumcised...this is what Paul is explaining and why Messiah said on the greatest commandments hang the law.


4) Paul followed the instructions of James and the elders regarding what he taught to Jews & Gentiles because he was under their authority. His authority never superseded theirs. Each of his letters continued to express their judgment on the matter. Note that the portion you're referring to reflects the same council as the elders.


1 Corinthians 7:18-20 [Brackets mine; context added from Romans and Deuteronomy]
18 Is any man called being circumcised [i.e. being a JEW]? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision [i.e. being a Gentile]? let him not be circumcised [of the flesh].

19 Circumcision [of the flesh] is nothing, and uncircumcision [of the flesh] is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God [true circumcision of the heart; Deut 30:6].

20 Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called.


Jews were routinely called "The Circumcision" (i.e. the circumcised), while Gentiles were known as "The Uncircumcision" (i.e. the uncircumcised). Notice that Paul's message mirrors his message in Romans as well as mirrors the determination the elders made at the council.


Romans 2:14-15
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another


The specific men who contended with Paul were unable to see that the spirit of the SAME circumcision law was being applied and fully realized. They were looking at the letter and the flesh, and so they accused him of preaching against the law of Moses, which both Paul and the elders said was not true.

Meanwhile, even though you truly support Paul unfortunately you're making the same mistake as those accusers of the 1st century still focused on the "letters" regarding the circumcision law (as if it's only "the removal of the foreskin") and so misunderstanding Paul.

He did not teach against the law of Moses, brother.

John5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
vs. 47 But if ye believe not his writing, shall ye believe my words?
Christ is literally telling you there is no difference in OT teaching from the New, they are teaching the same thing! there was no new testament when Christ walked the earth, so what was he teaching from? the OT the law of Moses!

Concerning circumcision: the Scribes and Saddaces were circumcised ,

thats why Christ said this: Matt. 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their work: for they say and do not.
meaning: Christ said what ever they say concerning the law follow but not after their ways they were quoting the law but not keeping it!
like you said being circumcised means nothing if you are not keeping the Commandments