Will the world come to an end?

[Yahshua]

The passive-aggression is strong. lol ok, I'll just restate what I said...I wonder will it get the same, open-ended statement directly quoting me.

Usually, the etiquette is open statements are simply posted not reply quoted. Reply quotes mean one's typically directing what they're saying at the person...and it happened twice...hmm...It must be my eyes. Anyhow.

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The world will end. The earth will not. It will be renewed.

The tree of life returns on the scene bearing fruit all year. No death. The leaves are said to be for the healing of the nations. No pain. Other passages say that all weapons of war will be eradicated. It will be paradise on earth. Absolute paradise.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

I hear you. It does get frustrating at times for all of us.

It's alright, though we'll all get through it with the help of the Lord...

That's all I was saying the scripture he posted was a good reminder for all of us...you, me, him, all of us.

For that guy to essentially tell me that I should stop speaking about my Damascus-Road experience . . . that says it all. Pretty anything after those assertions . . . I won't pay much attention to. And by the way, any time someone gives a portion of their testimony . . . don't discredit them. It only makes "you" look like an utter fool.

 

[soberxp]

Thank you my friend. I have noticed your support of my comments for a long time, now. I know for a fact that you are reading me correctly. I appreciate you . . . believe me.

I think we sometimes ignore mutual forgiveness. For example, I'm sorry. If I offended you, please forgive me anyway.

And we are the body of Christ, shoud we fight ourself body?No,we are one body.

Believe me, sometimes no matter right or wrong, mutual forgiveness and understanding each other is the best way.

I hope we don't affect our relationship with Jesus and our brothers.

 

[Yahshua]

For that guy to essentially tell me that I should stop speaking about my Damascus-Road experience . . . that says it all. Pretty anything after those assertions . . . I won't pay much attention to. And by the way, any time someone gives a portion of their testimony . . . don't discredit them. It only makes "you" look like an utter fool.

For your edification, brother...

Testimony of two or more establishes a truth. Even the Messiah, the Son of God, knew that He couldn't testify about Himself.

John 5:31
If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.

Sharing one's own experience is fine if you just want to share it...but it does nothing to lend any authority to what one is saying. So using it as a basis for judging another's knowledge is a no-no.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

I hope we don't affect our relationship with Jesus and our brothers.

I hear what you're saying, but one thing I don't do is refer to someone as a Brother when, after testing the spirit within them, proves to not be a brother. I don't do this to be rude, but I don't want to support the idea that someone is saved when the evidence isn't there. I've had people call me "brother" for decades simply because I attended church. Little did they know that I was likely "high" while at church . . . at times, even drunk. Later that Sunday night, I might have been shagging a new woman. Then next night, perhaps another. Oh, sure, I called myself a Christian and I could quote the Bible, write amazing articles, even call myself a "Biblical Master" on certain doctrines. And when I would lay down hundreds of dollars in strip clubs, my heart wasn't bother in the least. I truly believed that there was nothing that could separate me from the Love of God. I truly believed that I could simply become worse and worse in my life, but still think of myself as a True Christian. I wasn't, though. I was just a "christian." I was a fake and a fraud and I didn't even know it.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

For your edification, brother...

Testimony of two or more establishes a truth. Even the Messiah, the Son of God, knew that he couldn't testify about himself.

John 5:31
If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.

Sharing one's own experience is fine if you just want to share it...but it does nothing to lend any authority to what one is saying. So using it as a basis for judging another's knowledge is a no-no.

Thanks

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

@Yahshua

We're not brothers.

 

[Yahshua]

I hear what you're saying, but one thing I don't do is refer to someone as a Brother when, after testing the spirit within them, proves to not be a brother. I don't do this to be rude, but I don't want to support the idea that someone is saved when the evidence isn't there. I've had people call me "brother" for decades simply because I attended church. Little did they know that I was likely "high" while at church . . . at times, even drunk. Later that Sunday night, I might have been shagging a new woman. Then next night, perhaps another. Oh, sure, I called myself a Christian and I could quote the Bible, write amazing articles, even call myself a "Biblical Master" on certain doctrines. And when I would lay down hundreds of dollars in strip clubs, my heart wasn't bother in the least. I truly believed that there was nothing that could separate me from the Love of God. I truly believed that I could simply become worse and worse in my life, but still think of myself as a True Christian. I wasn't, though. I was just a "christian." I was a fake and a fraud and I didn't even know it.

@Yahshua

We're not brothers.

And that's what's noteworthy. You're STILL my brother...so note our spirits.

 

[soberxp]

I hear what you're saying, but one thing I don't do is refer to someone as a Brother when, after testing the spirit within them, proves to not be a brother. I don't do this to be rude, but I don't want to support the idea that someone is saved when the evidence isn't there. I've had people call me "brother" for decades simply because I attended church. Little did they know that I was likely "high" while at church . . . at times, even drunk. Later that Sunday night, I might have been shagging a new woman. Then next night, perhaps another. Oh, sure, I called myself a Christian and I could quote the Bible, write amazing articles, even call myself a "Biblical Master" on certain doctrines. And when I would lay down hundreds of dollars in strip clubs, my heart wasn't bother in the least. I truly believed that there was nothing that could separate me from the Love of God. I truly believed that I could simply become worse and worse in my life, but still think of myself as a True Christian. I wasn't, though. I was just a "christian." I was a fake and a fraud and I didn't even know it.

If it is you, I will also choose to forgive you, because we live in such a world. If I know you have done these things, I will only say to you, may God have mercy and forgive you. I won't directly point out the problem to you, because it can't help you. Only God's grace is enough for us and helps us.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Say what? You mean that God's Eternal Plan was overturned by mere humans? We are in control and God is not? I don't get it. On the contrary, Yahshua . . . the Eternal Plan is being set into motion EXACTLY as Planned and designed.

Ephesians 3:9-11 NLT - "I was chosen to explain to everyone this mysterious plan that God, the Creator of all things, had kept secret from the beginning. 10 God's purpose in all this was to use the church to display his wisdom in its rich variety to all the unseen rulers and authorities in the heavenly places. 11 This was his eternal plan, which he carried out through Christ Jesus our Lord."

When Paul explained that he was chosen to explain this Plan . . . was he lying?

It amazes me that virtually no one recognizes these passages of Paul. He explains exactly what is going on, yet the "church" seems to have absolutely no recognition of it. It seems that virtually no one recognizes the utter Power of God. And, perhaps this is why I rarely ever run across any 'christian' that Truly fears the Lord.

I just don't get it.

“Say what? You mean that God's Eternal Plan was overturned by mere humans? We are in control”

that’s why the world is condemned

“And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That dominion led here

“And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.

And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:5-6, 12-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Of course Gods in control ultimately he can say it’s over and destroy it all but the Bible teaches us that man was made to rule the earth in Gods image and Will it’s mankind’s purpose in creation to have dominion and rule the earth in peace and righteousness.

his plan was to put man in charge over the material things and we followed the enemy and corrupted the part of creation we were given

“The heaven, even the heavens, are the Lord's: but the earth hath he given to the children of men.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭115:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s why the world got like this

“And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:19‬ ‭

it came through mankind who was given the earth and dominion upon the earth and we rebelled against God following Satans word and corrupted the earth and filled it with what was in us this filled the world because of , and through us

“the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.”

God created this

“And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good….
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

then he gave the earth to us and we corrupted everything by following the Satan.

of course Gods in control part of his plan however is to create people made in his image to rule the created things. Gods in control but he also has a plan to redeem what mankind lost beginning with our good and right inner judgement and understanding of Gods Will

man is a very important part of the creation we have a certain purpose we’re made for

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

And that's what's noteworthy. You're STILL my brother...so note our spirits.

You can discredit me all day . . . it bothers me none. However, discrediting the Work of the Spirit is a different story. That's between you and the Creator.

Best of luck.

 

[soberxp]

It's religion that teaches end of the world is near not the bible. The bible actually teaches the very opposite. Yet Pastors coming out of seminary school still want to teach the world is coming to an end. Do you think they do that to keep you coming to church and take your money? I do.

The belief that the world will end some day is a distraction and leads to escapism. Escapism is describes as the tendency to seek distraction and relief from unpleasant realities, especially by seeking entertainment or engaging in fantasy. Or habitual diversion of the mind to purely imaginative activity or entertainment as an escape from reality or routine. This distraction has no religious or spiritual basis, and therefore results in an abandonment mentality.

These types of people approach the Bible as if it were written to them ignoring what we call audience relevance. They read it as if it was penned in our own generation and time. Most Christians and non Christians fail to properly understand eschatology they see it all as physical and material while the New Testament is mostly spiritual. Where they fail is on covenant transformation. In other words, "covenant eschatology" is the more accurate Biblical teaching.

I agree with you, but I don't think it's right to judge the church just for money. The Bible teaches us not to judge others. Even if you think so, I think the teaching of the Bible doesn't let us judge others. You can reserve your opinion. If you were me, I would only express the truth of the Bible, rather than prove that I was right and his behavior was wrong.

I used to be the same. I always felt that the church was not doing well enough, and then judged the things of the church. Until I realized that the judg could not make me understand the truth, make me happy, let alone make me quiet.

Just as the covenant eschatology said, we can't treat faith negatively. We should face faith with a positive attitude, explain a fact, but don't judge others. This is what we should do.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

If it is you, I will also choose to forgive you, because we live in such a world. If I know you have done these things, I will only say to you, may God have mercy and forgive you. I won't directly point out the problem to you, because it can't help you. Only God's grace is enough for us and helps us.

This is my past life, my Romans 7 life. I have long since begun a Transformation. I'm not sure why you would need to forgive me, for I did not transgress against yourself. As Paul said in Romans 7, when he committed sin in his former life, it wasn't him who did it, but it was his former Sinful Nature. Because he realized that it wasn't actually himself who committed the wrong, self-forgiveness is a much easier battle to undergo. Also, it makes it easy to forgive others for their wrong-doings. Thus, no one has to ever ask me for forgiveness, for I live in such a state. I don't even think about needing to forgive others . . . it is already done. What is more, I have committed many sins against many others in the past, thus who am I to think of others any less than what I might think of myself? I am no greater than anyone else, nor is anyone else greater than me. The only thing that matters is Circumcision of the heart.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

“Say what? You mean that God's Eternal Plan was overturned by mere humans? We are in control”

that’s why the world is condemned

“And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That dominion led here

“And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.

And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:5-6, 12-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Of course Gods in control ultimately he can say it’s over and destroy it all but the Bible teaches us that man was made to rule the earth in Gods image and Will it’s mankind’s purpose in creation to have dominion and rule the earth in peace and righteousness.

his plan was to put man in charge over the material things and we followed the enemy and corrupted the part of creation we were given

“The heaven, even the heavens, are the Lord's: but the earth hath he given to the children of men.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭115:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s why the world got like this

“And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:19‬ ‭

it came through mankind who was given the earth and dominion upon the earth and we rebelled against God following Satans word and corrupted the earth and filled it with what was in us this filled the world because of , and through us

“the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.”

God created this

“And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good….
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

then he gave the earth to us and we corrupted everything by following the Satan.

of course Gods in control part of his plan however is to create people made in his image to rule the created things. Gods in control but he also has a plan to redeem what mankind lost beginning with our good and right inner judgement and understanding of Gods Will

man is a very important part of the creation we have a certain purpose we’re made for

I hear you. I guess I just read the Bible in a different way. I don't know what else to say.

 

[soberxp]

This is my past life, my Romans 7 life. I have long since begun a Transformation. I'm not sure why you would need to forgive me, for I did not transgress against yourself. As Paul said in Romans 7, when he committed sin in his former life, it wasn't him who did it, but it was his former Sinful Nature. Because he realized that it wasn't actually himself who committed the wrong, self-forgiveness is a much easier battle to undergo. Also, it makes it easy to forgive others for their wrong-doings. Thus, no one has to ever ask me for forgiveness, for I live in such a state. I don't even think about needing to forgive others . . . it is already done. What is more, I have committed many sins against many others in the past, thus who am I to think of others any less than what I might think of myself? I am no greater than anyone else, nor is anyone else greater than me. The only thing that matters is Circumcision of the heart.

I am sure you Understand the grace of God,and I know deep inside we know what is really good,I just want to convey the right message through my experience of the grace of God,I just received it from God. Forgiving others can save ours life.

Romans
7: Therefore, I will not do the good I want; I will do the evil I do not want.
7: If I do what I do not want to do, I did not do it, but sin that lives in me.
7: I think there is a law that evil is with me when I am willing to do good.
7: For according to my inner meaning, I like the law of God;
7: But I felt that there was another law in the member that fought against the law of my heart and took me captive so that I might be subject to the law of sin in the member.
7: 24 I am so bitter! Who can save me from this dead body?
7: 25 thank God! Through our Lord Jesus Christ, we can escape. In this way, I obey the law of God in my heart, but my body obeys the law of sin.

 

[Aerials1978]

The Earth and universe will be made new.

 

[DLM]

The Earth and universe will be made new.

What about Heaven, is in not good enough for God?

 

[Yahshua]

You can discredit me all day . . . it bothers me none. However, discrediting the Work of the Spirit is a different story. That's between you and the Creator.

Best of luck.

Didn't discredit your experience. I just can't confirm or deny it. I can't verify it. No one can, but you. And so using it as a basis for whether something is or isn't found in the scriptures, isn't right (it's like an appeal to one's own authority). I apologize for how sharply and cavalier I communicated that. I could've been more gentle while still being validating.

Best.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

If the world is going to end, why does the Bible tells us the Earth will NEVER End?

Ecclesiastes 1:4 A generation goes and a generation comes, But the earth remains forever.

See also (Genesis 8:21-22, Psalms 72:17 78:69, 89:36-37, 93:1, 96:10, 104:5, 119:90, 148:4-6, Isaiah 45:17, Ephesians 3:21)

“The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭24:20‬ ‭

“For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭65:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭13:49‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭13:39-42‬ ‭KJV‬‬

You should consider two creations one that is and one that will be when this one ends

 

[DLM]

“The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭24:20‬ ‭

“For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭65:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭13:49‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭13:39-42‬ ‭KJV‬‬

You should consider two creations one that is and one that will be when this one ends

Isaiah 65 and 66 is not about heaven people are being born and people are dying so its cant be heaven. It's the New Jerusalem.

Read Isaiah 65 and 66 which is the New Heaven and New Earth prophecy. There’s a reason you don’t hear preaching on these passages. Offspring? Live 100 years or less? Build and plant? Moon to moon, Sabbath to Sabbath? Nothing sounds eternal. It’s speaking of living on Earth as Gods people in his Spirit. Of course when you die you go to Heaven but New Covenant Age language still contains sin vs salvation. On the same planet as today as Jeremiah 33:20-26 states.

All true Christians that have accepted the Gospel are IN Christ, the Body of Christ where Paul tells us first century Christians were citizens. (Ephesians 2:18-22, Hebrews 12:22)