Did Jesus and His Apostles live in the "LAST DAYS" The "END OF THE AGE"?

[DLM]

The Apostle Paul taught that all of the people in his generation were living at the "end of the age" 1 Corinthians 10:11 Paul told Timothy to avoid certain people in the LAST DAYS. If the last days were generations to come, Timothy would have to be alive today.

Matthew 13:39 and the enemy who sowed them is the devil, and the harvest is the END OF THE AGE ; and the reapers are angels.

Matthew 13:40 So just as the weeds are gathered up and burned with fire, so shall it be at the END OF THE AGE.

Hebrews 9:26 Otherwise, He would have needed to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now once at the consummation of the AGES He has been revealed to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.

Hebrews 1:1-2 God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, 2 in these LAST DAYS has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom He also made the world.

Acts 2:16-17 but this is what has been spoken through the prophet Joel: 17 'And it shall be in the LAST DAYS,’ God says, 'That I will pour out My Spirit on all mankind; And your sons and your daughters will prophesy, And your young men will see visions, And your old men will have dreams;

1 Peter 1:19-20 - in these last times

1 Peter 4:7 the end of all things

1 Peter 4:17 will be the end

The only age predicted to come to an end in the entire bible was the old covenant age of Israel. It would be when Israel's covenant power, torah was destroyed. Daniel 12 predicted the end of the age.

The Christian Age has no end Ephesians 3:20-21
The Church will never be destroyed Daniel 7:13
The Gospel will never pass away. Matthew 24:35

 

[DLM]

All of the Age's represent time.

The Patriarchal Age
FROM CREATION TO MOSES - 4004 B.C. TO 1500 B.C.)

The Mosaic Age
MOSES TO THE DESTRUCTION OF JERUSALEM 1500 B.C. TO 70 A.D. (End Of The Age)

The Christian Age
70 A.D. TO HAS NO END (Ephesians 3:20-21)

 

[Heaven_Bound]

Who defined these Ages, and where does any so-called Age claim it has been finished?

 

[DLM]

Who defined these Ages, and where does any so-called Age claim it has been finished?

Hebrews 1:1-2 God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, 2 in these LAST DAYS has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom He also made the world.

Matthew 24:3 And as He was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, "Tell us, WHEN will these things happen, and what will be the sign of Your COMING, and of the END OF THE AGE?"

Matthew 13:39-40 - There are only two ages spoken about at this time in the bible "THIS AGE" and "NEW AGE" which is The Old Covenant AGE and the The New Covenant AGE.

The text "END OF THE AGE" is not the end of the earth. It's about the end of the Old Covenant AGE. The Old Covenant AGE ended in AD 70 when the temple was destroyed. See Luke 21:20-24

Matthew 13:39 and the enemy who sowed them is the devil, and the harvest is the END OF THE AGE ; and the reapers are angels.

Matthew 13:40 So just as the weeds are gathered up and burned with fire, so shall it be at the END OF THE AGE.

Matthew 13:49 So it will be at the END OF THE AGE: the angels will come forth and remove the wicked from among the righteous,

Matthew 28:20 teaching them to follow all that I commanded you; and behold, I am with you always, to the END OF THE AGE."

Hebrews 9:26 Otherwise, He would have needed to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now once at the consummation of the AGES He has been revealed to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.

Acts 2:16-17 but this is what has been spoken through the prophet Joel: 17 ‘And it shall be in the LAST DAYS,’ God says, ‘That I will pour out My Spirit on all mankind; And your sons and your daughters will prophesy, And your young men will see visions, And your old men will have dreams;

Hebrews 1:2 in these LAST DAYS has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom He also made the world.

1 Peter 1:5 who are protected by the power of God through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the LAST TIME.

1 John 2:18 Children, it is the LAST HOUR; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the LAST HOUR.

 

[Heaven_Bound]

You feel that from the Ages discussed in Matthew, to the Ages discussed in Hebrews/1 Peter/1 John, are speaking of different Ages or the same Age?

 

[DLM]

You feel that from the Ages discussed in Matthew, to the Ages discussed in Hebrews/1 Peter/1 John, are speaking of different Ages or the same Age?

Matthew 13:39-40 - There are only two ages spoken about at this time in the bible "THIS AGE" and "NEW AGE" which is The Old Covenant AGE and the The New Covenant AGE.

The text "END OF THE AGE" is not the end of the earth. It's about the end of the Old Covenant AGE. The Old Covenant AGE ended in AD 70 when the temple was destroyed. See Luke 21:20-24

 

[Heaven_Bound]

I have never really spent much time breaking these Ages down. I have no real opinion or anything Biblical to add or to use for/against. But I am going to take your Scripture References and study them. Other than what your Title is about, is there a meaning about these Ages you want readers to understand?

 

[soberxp]

The resurrection of Jesus is the key to understanding this problem. Because saints are resurrected with Jesus, they also experience the last days with Jesus。

 

[DLM]

I have never really spent much time breaking these Ages down. I have no real opinion or anything Biblical to add or to use for/against. But I am going to take your Scripture References and study them. Other than what your Title is about, is there a meaning about these Ages you want readers to understand?

The only age predicted to come to an end in the entire bible was the old covenant age of Israel. It would be when Israel's covenant power, torah was destroyed. Daniel 12 predicted the end of the age.

The text "end of the age" is not the end of the earth. It's about the end of the Old Covenant Age. The Old Covenant Age ended in AD 70 when the temple was destroyed. See Luke 21:20-24

 

[Omegatime]

1 Corith. 10:11 These things happened to them as a warning to us. All this was written in the Scriptures to teach us who live in these last days. IMO the last days refers to last 2 days of God's plan-2000 years--which began at Pentecost.

 

[DLM]

1 Corith. 10:11 These things happened to them as a warning to us. All this was written in the Scriptures to teach us who live in these last days. IMO the last days refers to last 2 days of God's plan-2000 years--which began at Pentecost.

Who was it written to?

The Apostle Paul taught that all of the people in his generation were living at the "end of the age" 1 Corinthians 10:11

Please provide scripture for "last 2 days of God's plan-2000 years" as you mentioned.

 

[Blain]

No they did not but they lived in a foreshadow of what is to come. Bible prophecy often foreshadows itself before the actual event

 

[DLM]

No they did not but they lived in a foreshadow of what is to come. Bible prophecy often foreshadows itself before the actual event

Hebrews 1:1-2 God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, 2 in these LAST DAYS has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom He also made the world.

Matthew 24:3 And as He was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, "Tell us, WHEN will these things happen, and what will be the sign of Your COMING, and of the END OF THE AGE?"

Matthew 13:39-40 - There are only two ages spoken about at this time in the bible "THIS AGE" and "NEW AGE" which is The Old Covenant AGE and the The New Covenant AGE.

The text "END OF THE AGE" is not the end of the earth. It's about the end of the Old Covenant AGE. The Old Covenant AGE ended in AD 70 when the temple was destroyed. See Luke 21:20-24

Matthew 13:39 and the enemy who sowed them is the devil, and the harvest is the END OF THE AGE ; and the reapers are angels.

Matthew 13:40 So just as the weeds are gathered up and burned with fire, so shall it be at the END OF THE AGE.

Matthew 13:49 So it will be at the END OF THE AGE: the angels will come forth and remove the wicked from among the righteous,

Matthew 28:20 teaching them to follow all that I commanded you; and behold, I am with you always, to the END OF THE AGE."

Hebrews 9:26 Otherwise, He would have needed to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now once at the consummation of the AGES He has been revealed to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.

Acts 2:16-17 but this is what has been spoken through the prophet Joel: 17 ‘And it shall be in the LAST DAYS,’ God says, ‘That I will pour out My Spirit on all mankind; And your sons and your daughters will prophesy, And your young men will see visions, And your old men will have dreams;

Hebrews 1:2 in these LAST DAYS has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom He also made the world.

1 Peter 1:5 who are protected by the power of God through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the LAST TIME.

1 John 2:18 Children, it is the LAST HOUR; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the LAST HOUR.

 

[Blain]

Hebrews 1:1-2 God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, 2 in these LAST DAYS has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom He also made the world.

Matthew 24:3 And as He was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, "Tell us, WHEN will these things happen, and what will be the sign of Your COMING, and of the END OF THE AGE?"

Matthew 13:39-40 - There are only two ages spoken about at this time in the bible "THIS AGE" and "NEW AGE" which is The Old Covenant AGE and the The New Covenant AGE.

The text "END OF THE AGE" is not the end of the earth. It's about the end of the Old Covenant AGE. The Old Covenant AGE ended in AD 70 when the temple was destroyed. See Luke 21:20-24

Matthew 13:39 and the enemy who sowed them is the devil, and the harvest is the END OF THE AGE ; and the reapers are angels.

Matthew 13:40 So just as the weeds are gathered up and burned with fire, so shall it be at the END OF THE AGE.

Matthew 13:49 So it will be at the END OF THE AGE: the angels will come forth and remove the wicked from among the righteous,

Matthew 28:20 teaching them to follow all that I commanded you; and behold, I am with you always, to the END OF THE AGE."

Hebrews 9:26 Otherwise, He would have needed to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now once at the consummation of the AGES He has been revealed to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.

Acts 2:16-17 but this is what has been spoken through the prophet Joel: 17 ‘And it shall be in the LAST DAYS,’ God says, ‘That I will pour out My Spirit on all mankind; And your sons and your daughters will prophesy, And your young men will see visions, And your old men will have dreams;

Hebrews 1:2 in these LAST DAYS has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom He also made the world.

1 Peter 1:5 who are protected by the power of God through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the LAST TIME.

1 John 2:18 Children, it is the LAST HOUR; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the LAST HOUR.

And yet certain events have yet to be fulfilled the building of the third temple and the antichrist proclaiming to be God the mark of the beast the coming of the beasts spoken of in revelation not mention the fact that John wrote the book of revelation at the end of his life when all that the apostles had to go through already happened.

 

[DLM]

And yet certain events have yet to be fulfilled the building of the third temple and the antichrist proclaiming to be God the mark of the beast the coming of the beasts spoken of in revelation not mention the fact that John wrote the book of revelation at the end of his life when all that the apostles had to go through already happened.

John went through the same tribulation as the seven churches. (Rev. 1:9, 2:3, 2:9-10, 2:13, 3:10) He was not speaking of events 2,000 years in the future, when He was living them. If Revelation was written in 96 AD, what events soon took place that would compare to his foretelling? There is none. Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants, the things which must SOON take place; The soon events were happening as fast as John could write. He was living it!

 

[Roughsoul1991]

The Apostle Paul taught that all of the people in his generation were living at the "end of the age" 1 Corinthians 10:11 Paul told Timothy to avoid certain people in the LAST DAYS. If the last days were generations to come, Timothy would have to be alive today.

Matthew 13:39 and the enemy who sowed them is the devil, and the harvest is the END OF THE AGE ; and the reapers are angels.

Matthew 13:40 So just as the weeds are gathered up and burned with fire, so shall it be at the END OF THE AGE.

Hebrews 9:26 Otherwise, He would have needed to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now once at the consummation of the AGES He has been revealed to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.

Hebrews 1:1-2 God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, 2 in these LAST DAYS has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom He also made the world.

Acts 2:16-17 but this is what has been spoken through the prophet Joel: 17 'And it shall be in the LAST DAYS,’ God says, 'That I will pour out My Spirit on all mankind; And your sons and your daughters will prophesy, And your young men will see visions, And your old men will have dreams;

1 Peter 1:19-20 - in these last times

1 Peter 4:7 the end of all things

1 Peter 4:17 will be the end

The only age predicted to come to an end in the entire bible was the old covenant age of Israel. It would be when Israel's covenant power, torah was destroyed. Daniel 12 predicted the end of the age.

The Christian Age has no end Ephesians 3:20-21
The Church will never be destroyed Daniel 7:13
The Gospel will never pass away. Matthew 24:35

The last days is obviously translated as a long period of time. One day to God is like one thousand years. We are in the church age, age of grace.

We have seen the birth pains of the end for thousands of years, the apostles could already see the signs. The prophecies have been completed leaving only the return of Christ.

So in the patience and timescale of God we can say the time is near just as easily as Paul.

 

[Blain]

John went through the same tribulation as the seven churches. (Rev. 1:9, 2:3, 2:9-10, 2:13, 3:10) He was not speaking of events 2,000 years in the future, when He was living them. If Revelation was written in 96 AD, what events soon took place that would compare to his foretelling? There is none. Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants, the things which must SOON take place; The soon events were happening as fast as John could write. He was living it!

Then explain the third temple being built and the antichrist declaring he is God, explain the mark of the beast.

 

[DLM]

The last days is obviously translated as a long period of time. One day to God is like one thousand years. We are in the church age, age of grace.

We have seen the birth pains of the end for thousands of years, the apostles could already see the signs. The prophecies have been completed leaving only the return of Christ.

So in the patience and timescale of God we can say the time is near just as easily as Paul.

Why do some people use 2 Peter 3:8 to replace all the time statements in the N.T. Do you really think God would keep us guessing about His timing?

 

[DLM]

Then explain the third temple being built and the antichrist declaring he is God, explain the mark of the beast.

The covenant of Daniel 9:27 is parallel to Jesus’ words on the night he was betrayed by Judas:

“then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; but in the middle of the week he shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering…” (Daniel 9:27).

“for this is my blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins” (Matthew 26:28).


Isaiah 61:2 and Daniel 9:27 refer to the same two time periods, separated by the same gap, i.e. the acceptable year of the Lord (the 3.5 year-ministry of Jesus) and the day of vengeance (the 3.5 year-siege on Jerusalem leading up to its destruction, what Jesus called “Great Tribulation” in Matthew 24:21). Therefore, the first half of the 70th week (3.5 years) established the new covenant, and the second half of the 70th week (3.5 years) a generation later confirmed the new covenant by completely abolishing the old covenant temple system. the kingdom of god, already established in heaven when Jesus ascended and being lived out among those who followed Christ, was then fully established on earth and given to the saints (Daniel 7:27). It was taken from national Israel and given to the church, the people whom Jesus said would produce its fruits.

as predicted in v. 27, this day marked the end of temple sacrifice. With the holy place on fire, never again would the Jewish people offer sacrifices to the lord. then in fulfillment of v. 26, Caesar ordered that Jerusalem and its temple be destroyed. As a result, the city was left desolate and its temple completely demolished even down to the foundation. The destruction of the temple fulfilled the last prophetic stipulations of the law, marking the end of biblical Judaism while simultaneously giving birth to two new world religions: rabbinic Judaism and Christianity.

 

[DLM]

Then explain the third temple being built and the antichrist declaring he is God, explain the mark of the beast.

I believe the Beast was Nero. There's to much evidence for that.

My question is Were John’s original readers meant to understand, the followers of the beast would receive a literal and visible mark on their hands or forehead? which I believe occurred in Nero’s day. Those who worshipped the emperor received a certificate or mark of approval – charagma, the same word used in Revelation 13:16 In addition, Nero had coins minted in which he was called “almighty God” and “Savior.” Nero’s portrait also appears on coins as the god.

The mark of the beast is the charagma. Charagma is the Greek word for mark. The charagma is a brand, etching, engraving, stamp or seal used to notarize official documents or documents of purchase, brand slaves as a mark of ownership, mark soldiers with the name of their general, and tattoo religious devotees of a particular god.

It was also the name given to the image of the emperor stamped on currency. Thus each Roman coin was literally “marked” with the face and name of Caesar. The presence of the charagma or mark of Caesar on Roman coins and deeds of purchase made it impossible to buy or sell without it. Thus one could accurately say that Roman coins and deeds of purchase were a physical aspect of the mark of the beast since they were literally marked with the name and image of Caesar, the beast.

Interestingly, Ignatius an early Christian writer who lived from A.D. 35 to A.D. 107 seems to confirm the above interpretation concerning the fact that the physical mark of the beast was Roman money: “For just as there are two coinages, the one of God and the other of the world, and each of them hath its proper stamp impressed upon it, the unbelievers the stamp of this world, but the faithful in love the stamp of God the Father through Jesus Christ.”131 Recall that charagma, the Greek word for mark, was the same word used to refer to the stamp on Roman currency.

As stated above, the saints and the wicked were marked on their hands and foreheads with the name of the one to whom they serve and are devoted (Revelation 7:3; 13:16-17; 14:1) just as a slave was often marked to denote the identity of their owner. In other words, the two marks of Revelation are distinct brands intended to separate the servants or slaves of God from the servants or slaves of the beast. And just as the seal of God sometimes had a physical manifestation or component (Exodus 28:36, Matthew 23:5), the mark of the beast also clearly had a tangible sign or component (Revelation 13:16-17). The tangible aspect of the mark of the beast were Roman coins and deeds of purchase which were said to be quite literally marked with the image of Caesar and Rome, the beast. The charagma or mark of the beast is the tangible manifestation of a spiritual mark of idolatrous service and devotion to Caesar and is therefore the dark counterpart of the seal given to those devoted to God in Revelation 7:3; 14:1; Exodus 13; and Ezekiel 9:3-6. Thus the mark of Revelation is a brand denoting the name of the true king to whom one is a devoted slave or servant132 If a person is a devoted servant of Christ, this person is spiritually marked with the name of the Father and the Lamb on their forehead (Revelation 14:1). If a person is only devoted to Caesar, the beast, (in this case because of greed) then this person is marked with “the name of the beast or the number of its name” as stated in Revelation 13:16-17.

During Jesus’ crucifixion, the wealthy elites chanted, “We have no king but Caesar” in John 19:15. Those who sought to have Jesus killed saying that they have no king but Caesar, of course, have the mark of the beast. These wealthy Jewish elites who sought to have Jesus killed while vociferously allying themselves with Caesar did so because of greed. The clear and inextricable Biblical and historical link between Roman money, the plot to kill Jesus and passionate devotion to Caesar over and above God will be thoroughly explained shortly, but before addressing this link it is necessary to highlight the idolatrous nature of Roman coins from the perspective of a first-century Jew.

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Or was the language John used metaphors of the hand representing one’s deeds and the forehead representing one’s thoughts? Maybe this is a reference to Moses’ instructions to the people of Israel that they were to bind the words of God “as a sign on your hand, and they shall be as frontlets between your eyes” (Deuteronomy 6:8). In this case, the apostate followers of the beast would not be symbolically marked with the words of God, but with their allegiance to the one who stood opposed to God and His people.

All money was marked with Caesar's name and or image. No one could buy or sell unless he had the mark of the beast which was a coin.

When we read about a "mark" on the forehead, hand, heart etc. Right off the bat we should know this is figurative (symbolic) language not literal. Take for example Ezekiel 9:3-6 The Lord tells an angel to place a "mark on the foreheads" on the righteous and uses a writer's inkhorn. Do you really think an angel goes around carrying a writer's inkhorn dotting foreheads? No, this is a symbolic way of showing ownership. In this case people were set apart, the righteous from the unrighteous. And as we can see it didn't look good for the unrighteous. They did not have the spiritual mark on their forehead. God knows who is His.

In Revelation 14:1 God places His "mark" on those that are His and in Revelation 14:9-11 A "mark" is also received on those who worship the beast etc. Again this is symbolic language that separates the righteous from the unrighteous. It's meaning is spiritual not physical.

Let me ask you this, Isn't worship from the heart? Isn't Jesus stamped on your forehead. Jesus knows who are His and dwells within them. So, no matter what kind of stupid implants, barcodes, tattoos or vaccines are force on us, nobody cannot make us worship something that isn't in our hearts. Right?

I CAN GO EITHER WAY BUT FULFILLED IN THE FIRST CENTURY.