What Gospel is for us ?

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Hann57

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Paul warns in his letters of those who would come and preach " another gospel"

2Co_11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.



Stop and think here for a moment as to what gospel you are trusting for your salvation.

Paul marveled at believers even who were so soon removed from the gospel they believed at in at the outset.

Gal_1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Gal_1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

If you have are not trusting Paul's gospel : 1 Corinthians 15: 3,4. You are in a bad place.

The gospel can be corrupted by just one word.

I have heard people preach " Christ died on the cross was buried and rose again"
In the light of the gospel according to the text it says " Christ died for our sins...

1Co 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

So according to them Christ did not die for our sins, this is how they corrupt the gospel and preach " another gospel"

Beware of those who dont preach Paul's gospel " according to the scriptures"

It has to be word for word as it is written.

1Co 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
1Co 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
 
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The Gospel . . . well, a topic of the utmost importance.

So, I have written to many pastors across America. I randomly selected various churches through the internet and sent "them" an email. I didn't care who responded. All responses came from "pastors." I asked them to explain the Gospel. I made it clear that I didn't want a description of the Gospel, but an explanation. I made it clear that they didn't have to give me an off-the-cuff explanation, but that I would be more than happy if they simply copied and pasted an article or even a sermon as their reply. Here are the results of my tests:

Not one pastor had a pre-written explanation of the Gospel. Not one. In dialog, I clarified and they admitted that they did not have anything pre-written to explain the Gospel. Friends, how is this possible?

What I received from these "pastors" were descriptions of the Gospel, such as, "It's the Good News of Jesus Christ!" Oh, that's just great. Thanks for that. The "Good News of Jesus Christ" is not the Gospel . . . it's a title of a chapter a person would find in ten thousand books previously written. Again, I made it clear that I didn't want a description of the Gospel, but an explanation. Not one was ever capable of explaining the Gospel.

Not one response ever included the Circumcision of Jesus Christ. Folks, how is this possible? The Circumcision of Christ is at the utter Heart of the Gospel, absolutely no pun intended. The Circumcision of Christ is the Purpose of Christ and it is the Work of Christ. And it is the Circumcision of Christ that produces a Romans 12:2 Transformation. Not one "pastor" had anything to say about any of these three elements and functions of Christ.

Here's what's even more disgusting. 100% of all "pastors" dropped me like a hot rock. They all simply disappeared like cowards; scattering like flies in a tornado; flopping like fish on dry land.

So here is my challenge to everyone who reads this . . . start challenging people at your church. Ask them to explain the Gospel to you . . . and don't settle for John 3:16 for crying out loud. That's NOT the Gospel. John 3:16 is only a part of it, for it only explains the Purpose of Christ. As you get better and better at asking people to explain the Gospel, work your way up the ladder and start asking staff members to explain it. Ask members from the Worship team. Ask anyone that serves, for, anyone that serves at your Church is, by default . . . a leader. Finally, get to the apex of the teaching system and corner your "pastor" and ask him/her to explain the Heart of the Gospel. What is it, Truly? Don't settle for non-sense. But if you do this . . .

You will be ostracized. You may end up with fingers pointed at your chest. You may end up with anger and hostility thrust in your face and down your throat. If you don't believe me, try it. I have . . . it's shocking that "pastors" and staff will become angry as you try to talk to them about the True Gospel. But here's the "good news" . . . you will come to realize that it is True . . . that we have not been taught the Purpose of Christ, the Work of Christ, and the Effect of Christ. The "good news" is that you will begin to see the Truth and reality behind these churches that are sucking up our monies . . . and all over a false gospel that couldn't save a flea.

Be bold. Our Scripture tells us to be bold, but you have to expect that a price will be paid. It won't be long before you find that you are not welcome in your church. You will be treated with scorn and ridicule. You will be labeled an instigator, that no one should test or challenge anyone. Sure, that's just great. Paul clears this up, for your duty is to test your pastors to find out if they are false teachers . . . or not.

1 John 4:1 NKJV - "Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world."
 
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The Gospel is simple, Christ's Example + Death-Burial-Resurrection!

The Dangers come to what people attach to the Core Message of the Gospel.

We can now do this because of the Gospel...but, that is not what Christ said or exemplified.
 
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2ndTimothyGroup said:
The Gospel . . . well, a topic of the utmost importance.

So, I have written to many pastors across America. I randomly selected various churches through the internet and sent "them" an email. I didn't care who responded. All responses came from "pastors." I asked them to explain the Gospel. I made it clear that I didn't want a description of the Gospel, but an explanation. I made it clear that they didn't have to give me an off-the-cuff explanation, but that I would be more than happy if they simply copied and pasted an article or even a sermon as their reply. Here are the results of my tests:

Not one pastor had a pre-written explanation of the Gospel. Not one. In dialog, I clarified and they admitted that they did not have anything pre-written to explain the Gospel. Friends, how is this possible?

What I received from these "pastors" were descriptions of the Gospel, such as, "It's the Good News of Jesus Christ!" Oh, that's just great. Thanks for that. The "Good News of Jesus Christ" is not the Gospel . . . it's a title of a chapter a person would find in ten thousand books previously written. Again, I made it clear that I didn't want a description of the Gospel, but an explanation. Not one was ever capable of explaining the Gospel.

Not one response ever included the Circumcision of Jesus Christ. Folks, how is this possible? The Circumcision of Christ is at the utter Heart of the Gospel, absolutely no pun intended. The Circumcision of Christ is the Purpose of Christ and it is the Work of Christ. And it is the Circumcision of Christ that produces a Romans 12:2 Transformation. Not one "pastor" had anything to say about any of these three elements and functions of Christ.

Here's what's even more disgusting. 100% of all "pastors" dropped me like a hot rock. They all simply disappeared like cowards; scattering like flies in a tornado; flopping like fish on dry land.

So here is my challenge to everyone who reads this . . . start challenging people at your church. Ask them to explain the Gospel to you . . . and don't settle for John 3:16 for crying out loud. That's NOT the Gospel. John 3:16 is only a part of it, for it only explains the Purpose of Christ. As you get better and better at asking people to explain the Gospel, work your way up the ladder and start asking staff members to explain it. Ask members from the Worship team. Ask anyone that serves, for, anyone that serves at your Church is, by default . . . a leader. Finally, get to the apex of the teaching system and corner your "pastor" and ask him/her to explain the Heart of the Gospel. What is it, Truly? Don't settle for non-sense. But if you do this . . .

You will be ostracized. You may end up with fingers pointed at your chest. You may end up with anger and hostility thrust in your face and down your throat. If you don't believe me, try it. I have . . . it's shocking that "pastors" and staff will become angry as you try to talk to them about the True Gospel. But here's the "good news" . . . you will come to realize that it is True . . . that we have not been taught the Purpose of Christ, the Work of Christ, and the Effect of Christ. The "good news" is that you will begin to see the Truth and reality behind these churches that are sucking up our monies . . . and all over a false gospel that couldn't save a flea.

Be bold. Our Scripture tells us to be bold, but you have to expect that a price will be paid. It won't be long before you find that you are not welcome in your church. You will be treated with scorn and ridicule. You will be labeled an instigator, that no one should test or challenge anyone. Sure, that's just great. Paul clears this up, for your duty is to test your pastors to find out if they are false teachers . . . or not.

1 John 4:1 NKJV - "Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world."
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1Co 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
i hope you can take the time to read these 4 verses carefully.
Paul states " I declare unto you the gospel"
Next verse.
1Co 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
"by which we are saved"
Not will be saved. or maybe saved.
"are saved"
Now here is the gospel.
1Co 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
1Co 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

This is the gospel according to the scriptures as Paul says.
This is what YOU need to believe to be saved.
I have heard th gospel and believed it.
Same for you and everyone else.
Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
 
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Hann57 said:
1Co 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
i hope you can take the time to read these 4 verses carefully.
Paul states " I declare unto you the gospel"
Next verse.
1Co 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
"by which we are saved"
Not will be saved. or maybe saved.
"are saved"
Now here is the gospel.
1Co 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
1Co 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

This is the gospel according to the scriptures as Paul says.
This is what YOU need to believe to be saved.
I have heard th gospel and believed it.
Same for you and everyone else.
Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
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What you have quoted is only a portion of the Gospel. We must remember that the Gospel is a hidden mystery to those who have not been chosen. We must dig, dig, and dig some more to fully understand the whole and True Gospel.
 
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2ndTimothyGroup said:
These are individual chapter titles. They define nothing. Sorry.
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Then never Preach that Christ lived and provided a perfect example to follow, He was Crucified, He was Buried, and He Resurrected.

What else does that leave besides your hearsay?
 
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Heaven_Bound said:
Then never Preach that Christ lived and provided a perfect example to follow, He was Crucified, He was Buried, and He Resurrected.

What else does that leave besides your hearsay?
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No thanks. I'll leave your aggressive tone alone. We won't get anywhere.
 
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We won't get anywhere, because the Gospel is simple, but you seem to be complicating it by your own Reasoning.
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Mkay.

If you would, please outline your Romans 12:2 Transformation. Tell us how you've gone from Saul to Paul, so to speak.
 
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Mkay.

If you would, please outline your Romans 12:2 Transformation. Tell us how you've gone from Saul to Paul, so to speak.
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The Gospel is about Christ and Him Crucified.
We theoretically do not need anything else when we have the 4 Gospels to explain the only Gospel that needs to be taught.
 
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Heaven_Bound said:
The Gospel is about Christ and Him Crucified.
We theoretically do not need anything else when we have the 4 Gospels to explain the only Gospel that needs to be taught.
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A True Christian, when given the opportunity to express the Effectual Power that comes as a result of the Work of Christ in their life . . . well, it becomes the highlight and joy of their day.
 
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A True Christian, when given the opportunity to express the Effectual Power that comes as a result of the Work of Christ in their life . . . well, it becomes the highlight and joy of their day.
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A True Christian has the Miracles and Confirmation of what God has done for them.
Paul, did nothing for me.
Christ, did everything that I will ever need for this life.
 
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Before Fire 2 weeks ago



After Fire from Police Drone



Now, look at how close the fire got to my buildings, went through my buildings, but never touched my buildings or animals. Over 400 acres went up in flame from a neighbor's mistake. Plus, 4 people confirmed what I knew running through flames 15 feet tall, black so black could not see, smoke you could not breathe. But God through an Angel that 3 others confirmed themselves was working with me side by side, face to face, and Vanished once we finished when I turned to thank Him for helping me and praying to Yeshua as I had asked of him.
 
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Heaven_Bound said:
A True Christian has the Miracles and Confirmation of what God has done for them.
Paul, did nothing for me.
Christ, did everything that I will ever need for this life.
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Evasion. Good luck.
 
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I gotta a good grip on the Gospel and the Miracles and face to face time with Almighty God I am confidant I know that I know what I am talking about!
 
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"For God loved the world so much that he gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. God sent his Son into the world not to judge the world, but to save the world through him. Christ has rescued us from the curse pronounced by the law. When he was hung on the cross, he took upon himself the curse for our wrongdoing. For it is written in the Scriptures, "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree." When you came to Christ, you were "circumcised," but not by a physical procedure. Christ performed a spiritual circumcision--the cutting away of your sinful nature. You were dead because of your sins and because your sinful nature was not yet cut away. Then God made you alive with Christ, for he forgave all our sins. And so, dear brothers and sisters, I plead with you to give your bodies to God because of all he has done for you. Let them be a living and holy sacrifice--the kind he will find acceptable. This is truly the way to worship him. Don't copy the behavior and customs of this world, but let God transform you into a new person by changing the way you think. Then you will learn to know God's will for you, which is good and pleasing and perfect."
 
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2ndTimothyGroup said:
"For God loved the world so much that he gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. God sent his Son into the world not to judge the world, but to save the world through him. Christ has rescued us from the curse pronounced by the law. When he was hung on the cross, he took upon himself the curse for our wrongdoing. For it is written in the Scriptures, "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree." When you came to Christ, you were "circumcised," but not by a physical procedure. Christ performed a spiritual circumcision--the cutting away of your sinful nature. You were dead because of your sins and because your sinful nature was not yet cut away. Then God made you alive with Christ, for he forgave all our sins. And so, dear brothers and sisters, I plead with you to give your bodies to God because of all he has done for you. Let them be a living and holy sacrifice--the kind he will find acceptable. This is truly the way to worship him. Don't copy the behavior and customs of this world, but let God transform you into a new person by changing the way you think. Then you will learn to know God's will for you, which is good and pleasing and perfect."
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Amen!

Like I said, it all evolves around Christ, that is the Gospel!
 
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But the Fire and Police Reports show the fire came within 6 inches of my Home and Buildings and it destroyed 250 acres of my top, side, lower fields, but the Police and Firemen said, it's like this fire had a mind of its own and knew it could not touch the home and buildings. I replied, that is what Oil and Anointing every perimeter of my property and placing Angels will do for you. Everyone knew it was a Miracle of God and no way was it anything else. People found God over this. Now, that is a Testimony, but, it's only 1 of 4 encounters with God face to face I can share.
 
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