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the UNICORNS IN THE KJV BIBLE

Job 39:9 | View whole chapter | See verse in contextWill the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or abide by thy crib?

Numbers 23:22 | View whole chapter | See verse in contextGod brought them out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn.

Psalms 29:6 | View whole chapter | See verse in contextHe maketh them also to skip like a calf; Lebanon and Sirion like a young unicorn.

Psalms 92:10 | View whole chapter | See verse in contextBut my horn shalt thou exalt like the horn of an unicorn: I shall be anointed with fresh oil.

Job 39:10 | View whole chapter | See verse in contextCanst thou bind the unicorn with his band in the furrow? or will he harrow the valleys after thee?

Numbers 24:8 | View whole chapter | See verse in contextGod brought him forth out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn: he shall eat up the nations his enemies, and shall break their bones, and pierce them through with his arrows.
 
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Those are DEMONIC and MYTHOLOGY MAKE BELIEVE ANIMALS FOUND IN THE CURRENT KJV BIBLE


And the KJV is Translated CORRECTLY?
 
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Would a REAL WORD of GOD have Paganism/Witchcraft/Mythology terminology Inspired by the Holy Spirit in it?
 
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I am just going to say, if the King James Bible Translators believed God would use the Devil's Definitions to equal real animals within His Holy Word, why do we think the rest of the Translation is 100% accurate?
 

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Have you ever read the Commentary the Writers of the KJV made?
They begin with, this (is not) an accurate description but it is close enough.

The translators argue that all previous English translations can rightly be called the Word of God, even though they may contain some “imperfections and blemishes.”

The KJV uses the word “unicorn” nine times and “satyr” twice (mythical mythology make believe animals found in witchcraft and paganism)

5. The translators of the KJV 1611 were relatively unfamiliar with Koine Greek.
Koine (“common”) Greek is the original language of the New Testament, but the KJV translators of the New Testament, who were accomplished scholars of Classical Greek, were relatively unfamiliar with Koine Greek. Koine Greek was not well-understood. Some people suggested it was a “Judaic” or “Hebraic” Greek.

6. The KJV translation of the NT is based on relatively recent Greek manuscripts.
As well as relying on previous English translations, the 1611 edition of the KJV relied on critically edited Greek texts that were “for the most part based on about half a dozen very late manuscripts” (none earlier than the 12th century AD).”[9] These Greek texts included five printed editions of the Greek New Testament by Erasmus,[10] as well as Robert Estienne’s (a.k.a. ‘Stephanus’) edition (1550) and Theodore Beza’s edition (1598). Michael Holmes writes more about the Greek texts behind English Bibles here.

Unfortunately, one of the manuscripts Estienne and Beza used for their Greek editions contained a few “corrections” that downplayed the importance of women in the church.[11]

7. The Textus Receptus, or Received Text, is basically Erasmus’ Greek Text.
Many KJV advocates claim that the New Testament in the King James Bible was translated from a Greek text known as the Textus Receptus (TR) and that the TR is especially accurate and inspired. The term Textus Receptus was first coined in 1633, after the KJV was first published, and it basically refers to Erasmus’ critical text. The current version of the TR was produced in 1894 by Scrivener who preferred the Byzantine, or Majority, Text. (The Byzantine-Majority Text is similar but not identical to the Textus Receptus.)[12]
The whole story behind the KJV Authorized is way waaaaay more complicated than that buddy.
Your preposterous notions of Latin to English are dead wrong.

The Minority texts are the ones that are FAR more dubious in my opinion. However it may also be true that they are correct in certain areas where the Majority text is not. And that's just the way it is.

My big concern is that the Masoretic text is inferior to the LXX. There's absolutely no doubt whatsoever that Rabbi Akiva altered the text in about 100 AD. And even the LXX is not perfect....but the Alexandrian LXX is all that we have remaining......one single solitary manuscript as far as I can recall.
 

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the UNICORNS IN THE KJV BIBLE

Job 39:9 | View whole chapter | See verse in contextWill the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or abide by thy crib?

Numbers 23:22 | View whole chapter | See verse in contextGod brought them out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn.

Psalms 29:6 | View whole chapter | See verse in contextHe maketh them also to skip like a calf; Lebanon and Sirion like a young unicorn.

Psalms 92:10 | View whole chapter | See verse in contextBut my horn shalt thou exalt like the horn of an unicorn: I shall be anointed with fresh oil.

Job 39:10 | View whole chapter | See verse in contextCanst thou bind the unicorn with his band in the furrow? or will he harrow the valleys after thee?

Numbers 24:8 | View whole chapter | See verse in contextGod brought him forth out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn: he shall eat up the nations his enemies, and shall break their bones, and pierce them through with his arrows.
Did you forget the fiery flying serpents? Behemoth and Leviathan?

Just forget it man you're wasting your breath.
 
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The whole story behind the KJV Authorized is way waaaaay more complicated than that buddy.
Your preposterous notions of Latin to English are dead wrong.

The Minority texts are the ones that are FAR more dubious in my opinion. However it may also be true that they are correct in certain areas where the Majority text is not. And that's just the way it is.

My big concern is that the Masoretic text is inferior to the LXX. There's absolutely no doubt whatsoever that Rabbi Akiva altered the text in about 100 AD. And even the LXX is not perfect....but the Alexandrian LXX is all that we have remaining......one single solitary manuscript as far as I can recall.

I only use the Torah, Tanakh for O.T. and the Codexes from 200 A.D. for the N.T.

The Torah/Tanakh are 100% Hebrew translated by Sofars (Scribes) and the Codexes are Koine Greek translated by those who understand the difference between Koine Greek and Classical Greek.
 
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Did you forget the fiery flying serpents? Behemoth and Leviathan?

Just forget it man you're wasting your breath.
Actually, God did say, Behemoth, found in the Tanakh

15 Behold now the behemoth that I have made with you; he eats grass like cattle. טוהִנֵּה־נָ֣א בְ֖הֵמוֹת אֲשֶׁר־עָשִׂ֣יתִי עִמָּ֑ךְ חָ֜צִ֗יר כַּבָּקָ֥ר יֹאכֵֽל:
 
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25 Can you pull the leviathan with a harpoon, or press down his tongue with a rope? כהתִּמְשֹׁ֣ךְ לִוְיָתָ֣ן בְּחַכָּ֑ה וּ֜בְחֶ֗בֶל תַּשְׁקִ֥יעַ לְשׁוֹנֽוֹ:
 
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29 Rejoice not, Philistia, all of you, that the rod that smote you has been broken, for, from the root of a snake shall emanate a venomous serpent, and his offspring is a fiery flying serpent. כטאַל־תִּשְׂמְחִ֚י פְלֶ֙שֶׁת֙ כֻּלֵּךְ כִּ֥י נִשְׁבַּ֖ר שֵׁ֣בֶט מַכֵּ֑ךְ כִּֽי־מִשֹּׁ֚רֶשׁ נָחָשׁ֙ יֵ֣צֵא צֶ֔פַע וּפִרְי֖וֹ שָׂרָ֥ף מְעוֹפֵֽף:
 

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Are You Ready - The Calling of the Bride at the Feast of Trumpets
Great study from Ariel ministries. Check out their content.

I can't agree with all of the content but there's definitely some useful information here. Some very good historical context that many people don't understand.

It looks like they went sideways on the parable of the 10 virgins among other things. Dr. Fruchtenbaum himself DOES get the 10 virgins parable correct though.
 
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Good Morning,

Please post what you find in your 1611 version of Christ or the Apostles saying:
A.) Christ will rapture His Bride before His Coming
B.) Christ will rapture His Saints before the antichrist
C.) Christ will rapture His Elect before the Resurrection
D.) OT example of a group of Saints being raptured before Tribulation

Thank You
Ypu should know what the Bible says re; the topic. If not search it.
It is basic.
 
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Have you ever read the Commentary the Writers of the KJV made?
They begin with, this (is not) an accurate description but it is close enough.

The translators argue that all previous English translations can rightly be called the Word of God, even though they may contain some “imperfections and blemishes.”

The KJV uses the word “unicorn” nine times and “satyr” twice (mythical mythology make believe animals found in witchcraft and paganism)

5. The translators of the KJV 1611 were relatively unfamiliar with Koine Greek.
Koine (“common”) Greek is the original language of the New Testament, but the KJV translators of the New Testament, who were accomplished scholars of Classical Greek, were relatively unfamiliar with Koine Greek. Koine Greek was not well-understood. Some people suggested it was a “Judaic” or “Hebraic” Greek.

6. The KJV translation of the NT is based on relatively recent Greek manuscripts.
As well as relying on previous English translations, the 1611 edition of the KJV relied on critically edited Greek texts that were “for the most part based on about half a dozen very late manuscripts” (none earlier than the 12th century AD).”[9] These Greek texts included five printed editions of the Greek New Testament by Erasmus,[10] as well as Robert Estienne’s (a.k.a. ‘Stephanus’) edition (1550) and Theodore Beza’s edition (1598). Michael Holmes writes more about the Greek texts behind English Bibles here.

Unfortunately, one of the manuscripts Estienne and Beza used for their Greek editions contained a few “corrections” that downplayed the importance of women in the church.[11]

7. The Textus Receptus, or Received Text, is basically Erasmus’ Greek Text.
Many KJV advocates claim that the New Testament in the King James Bible was translated from a Greek text known as the Textus Receptus (TR) and that the TR is especially accurate and inspired. The term Textus Receptus was first coined in 1633, after the KJV was first published, and it basically refers to Erasmus’ critical text. The current version of the TR was produced in 1894 by Scrivener who preferred the Byzantine, or Majority, Text. (The Byzantine-Majority Text is similar but not identical to the Textus Receptus.)[12]
WOW... such magnitude...WOW.
 
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This one actually bothers me to a degree of true disturbance:

The KJV uses the word “unicorn” nine times and “satyr” twice (mythical mythology make believe animals found in witchcraft and paganism)
You could be more effective in presenting God's word of you searched and listed the number of times God says we must repent, be baptized and maintain a righteous life.
 
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Ypu should know what the Bible says re; the topic. If not search it.
It is basic.
Ypu should know what the Bible says re; the topic. If not search it.
It is basic.
Brother, maybe you have something i may have overlooked, so this is exciting as i am always open to discovery.

So please post what you have found in Scripture.

Truth is not shy and does not back away from falsehood.

God's love for us in His Body does not seek to divide but to grow together by sharing.

Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up; does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil; does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth; bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
 
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Brother, maybe you have something i may have overlooked, so this is exciting as i am always open to discovery.

So please post what you have found in Scripture.

Truth is not shy and does not back away from falsehood.

God's love for us in His Body does not seek to divide but to grow together by sharing.

Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up; does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil; does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth; bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
You searched and what did you find?...and didn't find?
 
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You searched and what did you find?...and didn't find?
i know God declares these Three Prophets as Righteous and Faithful

even though Noah, Daniel, and Job were in it, as I live,” says the Lord God, “they would deliver neither son nor daughter; they would deliver only themselves by their righteousness.”
 
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You searched and what did you find?...and didn't find?
Here is what i found:

Neither Christ nor the Apostles nor the OT saying:

A.) Christ will rapture His Bride before His Coming
B.) Christ will rapture His Saints before the antichrist
C.) Christ will rapture His Elect before the Resurrection
D.) OT example of a group of Saints being raptured before Tribulation

Now, if you have found them saying otherwise, please post the scripture(s).
Thank You