Do Jews still believe the Messiah is coming?

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If this post wasn't so full of errors, it would be very funny. No one is handing the "beast king" anything. Bible prophecy is very clear that the Antichrist will be allowed by God to have total control for 3 1/2 years. And Christ will reign over all the earth after destroying the Devil, the Beast, the False Prophet and casting them into the Lake of Fire (created for the Devil and his angels).
You want your beast king GOD ...JESUS with a Rod of Iron ....you don't understand what any of this is really about.
 
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"A higher plane," hehe
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This is what the Lord Almighty says: “Many peoples and the inhabitants of many cities will yet come, 21 and the inhabitants of one city will go to another and say, ‘Let us go at once to entreat the Lord and seek the Lord Almighty. I myself am going.’ 22 And many peoples and powerful nations will come to Jerusalem to seek the Lord Almighty and to entreat him.”

23 This is what the Lord Almighty says: “In those days ten people from all languages and nations will take firm hold of one Jew by the hem of his robe and say, ‘Let us go with you, because we have heard that God is with you.’”

Zech8:20-23
Paul wrote that God is not done with the Jews yet. I do believe this means that the Jewish people are intact. But who are they? That's honestly a confusing question.

White Ashkenazi Jews are at the top of the current societal pecking order in Israel. But I have heard from some credible sources that Sephardic Jews are actually closer to the Hebrews of the Scriptures.

What's clear is that the Jews have been scattered numerous times - as God promised to do as a judgment upon them - and that they were in general really bad about not intermingling with pagans. It... uh... muddies the waters a bit to say the least.

I'm definitely not going to solve any mysteries about the Jewish people and who they are exactly right here or now. All I can say is that God knows them and He has plans for them still.
 
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Jews want The MESSIAH when Davidic blood isn't even possible anymore ...all they have is excuses.
 
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i wrote this to a Rabbi on facebook ...wonder why i didn't get a response:

"Hey, so Moses wrote The Garden of Eden so i assume Judaism thinks it is pretty important, right? What do you think is going on with the seed of the woman crushing the head of the serpent?"
 
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i wrote this to a Rabbi on facebook ...wonder why i didn't get a response:

"Hey, so Moses wrote The Garden of Eden so i assume Judaism thinks it is pretty important, right? What do you think is going on with the seed of the woman crushing the head of the serpent?"
Religious Judaism is PART OF the serpent.

Jesus called the religious leaders of His day a "generation of vipers." He called them children of their father the devil. He said when they make a disciple, he becomes twice the child of hell that they are.
 
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Religious Judaism is PART OF the serpent.

Jesus called the religious leaders of His day a "generation of vipers." He called them children of their father the devil. He said when they make a disciple, he becomes twice the child of hell that they are.
That is an interesting point about them being part of the serpent ...wow.

The fake nation of Israel today doesn't seem so great after you realize GOD is calling it "Sodom and Egypt".

Revelation 11:8
And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
 
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There is something weird about the yarmulke that they wear. i heard they used to wear them while in Egypt and then took them off during Exodus ...so why are they paying homage to pharaoh?
 

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What is your take on John referring to unrepentant Jews as "the synagogue of Satan"?
Joseph , isreals Youngest and 12th sons dream

“And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭37:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:3-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

…..And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭2:7-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭18:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered.

And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread.

And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it. If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.

And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence: For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee: And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.

And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭4:2-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And all they in the synagogue, when they heard these things, were filled with wrath, And rose up, and thrust him out of the city, and led him unto the brow of the hill whereon their city was built, that they might cast him down headlong. But he passing through the midst of them went his way,

And he said unto them, I must preach the kingdom of God to other cities also: for therefore am I sent. And he preached in the synagogues of Galilee.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭4:28-30, 43-44‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for he would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill him.”
‭‭John‬ ‭7:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And they watched him, whether he would heal him on the sabbath day; that they might accuse him.
‭‭Mark‬ ‭3:2,

“And as he said these things unto them, the scribes and the Pharisees began to urge him vehemently, and to provoke him to speak of many things: Laying wait for him, and seeking to catch something out of his mouth, that they might accuse him.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭11:53-54‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?

This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:4-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬



“And it came to pass, when Jesus had finished all these sayings, he said unto his disciples, Ye know that after two days is the feast of the passover, and the Son of man is betrayed to be crucified.

Then assembled together the chief priests, and the scribes, and the elders of the people, unto the palace of the high priest, who was called Caiaphas, And consulted that they might take Jesus by subtilty, and kill him.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭26:1-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Now the feast of unleavened bread drew nigh, which is called the Passover.

And the chief priests and scribes sought how they might kill him; for they feared the people. Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve. And he went his way, and communed with the chief priests and captains, how he might betray him unto them. And they were glad, and covenanted to give him money.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭22:1-5‬ ‭

“And Pilate wrote a title, and put it on the cross. And the writing was, JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS. This title then read many of the Jews: for the place where Jesus was crucified was nigh to the city: and it was written in Hebrew, and Greek, and Latin. Then said the chief priests of the Jews to Pilate, Write not, The King of the Jews; but that he said, I am King of the Jews.”
‭‭John‬ ‭19:19-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The Jews who are defined by full dedication to Moses law , rejected the messiah and his word at every point, and constantly looked for ways to accuse and condemn him.

“But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son. But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance. And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.

When the Lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen? They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.

Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?

Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭21:37-43‬ ‭

They the Jews who rejected Jesus like the Gentiles that do the same later were unwittingly serving Satan the dragon the whole time , trying to tempt Jesus and find some sin some way to stop this from happening he was trying to destroy the messiah before this could be

“And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:5‬ ‭

but he and they failed because they didn’t drop the messiah from taking his place at the throne

“So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Fulfilling all the prophets had said of Christ being born as a son of man , being anointed with the Holy Ghost to preach the gospel , to offer repentance his true judgement and salvation his promises to believers . Him dying for sins , and after being raised up to eternal life and seated at Gods right hand in heaven

Satan was working hard to stop the plan of salvation that depended on Jesus being without sin or accusation never transgressing Gods word in him.

he tried when He was born to destroy him , tried after he was anointed with the Holy Ghost to preach the gospel , tried to tempt him to transgress. Tried throughout the gospel to trip him up in his words , accuse him by the law somehow , provoke him to somehow provide a way to kill him by the law

then tried to break him by the suffering of the cross but Jesus was unbreakable our messiah and savior and became everything God said was to
Come In the prophets and law Satan wanted Jesus mission to fail because it’s our salvation
 
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SomeDisciple did an excellent take before I was able to come back and answer the question. The Bible tells us exactly about the Jews and how they are God's chosen people. This man's opinion isn't worth a pinch of dirt. Tired of people trying to re-write the Bible with their opinions and confusing people.
We Reign with CHRIST now by ruling the beast via dying to the beast system with The Reborn Kingdom Image of CHRIST.

If JESUS would have become an obvious physical King the first time He was here, it would have been giving into the beast and The Son of Man would have failed to become The King we have now.
 
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We Reign with CHRIST now by ruling the beast via dying to the beast system with The Reborn Kingdom Image of CHRIST.

If JESUS would have become an obvious physical King the first time He was here, it would have been giving into the beast and The Son of Man would have failed to become The King we have now.

nearest wall

hit head

may help with comprehension
 
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nearest wall

hit head

may help with comprehension
Okay let's go with with your beast king GOD Reigning for a 1000 years. At the end of it you claim satan is released and he can somehow deceive people into thinking they can fight physical GOD ....do you not see the problem here?
 
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Okay let's go with with your beast king GOD Reigning for a 1000 years. At the end of it you claim satan is released and he can somehow deceive people into thinking they can fight physical GOD ....do you not see the problem here?
are you ok?
 
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No, i'm not okay, you Premills are looking for excuses to push The Kingdom to sometime in the future ...i think you have sin your life that you don't want to give up. You think when you see some physical Temple on land the Jews don't even own ...then you will get Right with GOD.
 
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No, i'm not okay, you Premills are looking for excuses to push The Kingdom to sometime in the future ...i think you have sin your life that you don't want to give up. You think when you see some physical Temple on land the Jews don't even own ...then you will get Right with GOD.
gee

I must have posted something about that in my sleep cause I have no clue about it at all

maybe you can point me to that post?

on the other hand, this:

We Reign with CHRIST now by ruling the beast via dying to the beast system with The Reborn Kingdom Image of CHRIST.

If JESUS would have become an obvious physical King the first time He was here, it would have been giving into the beast and The Son of Man would have failed to become The King we have now.


is headache invoking and I mean that no matter what position a person may take

and by the way, being somewhat familiar with your obscure positions you have attempted to make relevant in your ops', don't interpret my questioning as actual interest
 

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Okay let's go with with your beast king GOD Reigning for a 1000 years. At the end of it you claim satan is released and he can somehow deceive people into thinking they can fight physical GOD ....do you not see the problem here?
I don't see the problem. He's the deceiver. He deceives people. It's not hard when people don't want to live under God's rule.
No, i'm not okay, you Premills are looking for excuses to push The Kingdom to sometime in the future ...i think you have sin your life that you don't want to give up. You think when you see some physical temple on land the Jews don't even own ...then you will get Right with GOD.
That's not accurate description of what premillenials believe at all- that has to be the most strawiest strawman I have ever seen. Brainless Wizard of Oz Scarecrow levels of strawman.
 
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I don't see the problem. He's the deceiver. He deceives people. It's not hard when people don't want to live under God's rule.

That's not accurate description of what premillenials believe at all- that has to be the most strawiest strawman I have ever seen. Brainless Wizard of Oz Scarecrow levels of strawman.
i'm impressed with your ability to think people could be dumb enough to fight physical GOD ...just wow. Your view has a physical King GOD Reigning ....do you really think people are going to fight Him? It's just sad how blind you are. Do you think they are going to ignore His Glorified Body?

JESUS already showed us He is Reigning in 70 A.D.

Luke 19:43-44
For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,

44 And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.
 

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i'm impressed with your ability to think people could be dumb enough to fight physical GOD ...just wow. Your view has a physical King GOD Reigning ....do you really think people are going to fight Him? It's just sad how blind you are. Do you think they are going to ignore His Glorified Body?
Why is it so hard to believe that people would rebel against God. It's been happening since day one. Jesus could come in his glorified body right now, and there would be plenty of people that would not want to live under his rule- that shouldn't be shocking at all.
JESUS already showed us He is Reigning in 70 A.D.
Because some early Christians in Israel escaped being wiped out with their Jewish counterparts? The destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD has almost no significance to the church as a whole... at best it is a type and shadow of the events in the Revelation.
 
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Why is it so hard to believe that people would rebel against God. It's been happening since day one. Jesus could come in his glorified body right now, and there would be plenty of people that would not want to live under his rule- that shouldn't be shocking at all.

Because some early Christians in Israel escaped being wiped out with their Jewish counterparts? The destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD has almost no significance to the church as a whole... at best it is a type and shadow of the events in the Revelation.
Would you say turning away from GOD is sin? Yes? ...so then how is that possible after JESUS physically Returns? You want to give up what this entire reality is based on ...Faith for SALVATION.