Does "knowing" you're right on a subject give you the right to at like a jerk?

[suaso]

Re: Does "knowing" you're right on a subject give you the right to at like a jerk?

Dragoon9, DaveScotland, suaso,

You have no problem coming here and giving advice how believers are to act and how they are to approach issues. Why don't you put that advice into action and be a doer of the word and not a hearer and adviser only. Practice what you are preaching and mix some faith with it and make it profitable. Anybody can come on here and do what you do and give advice. How are you going to deal with the guy that denies that Jesus Christ is God in the flesh and he starts propagating it? You going to sit there and take it like a spiritually mature man of God and not be argumentative? How profound and what wisdom and love! You going to turn the other cheek and say, 'Father forgive them for they know not what they do', while they deceive others with their error? Are you going to love them out of it as others have suggested? Grow up and be a man of God! Defend the faith that saved you. Stick up for the incorruptible seed that regenerated you through mercy. Don't deny Jesus Christ and His words less He deny you to the Father. Wake up!

Eph 5:13-17 'But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light. Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light. See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise, Redeeming the time, because the days are evil. Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is'.

If I have acted like a Jerk in any way, I apologize. My point it that there is no error in giving advice or sharing knowledge as long as the person doing does so with love and patience. If the person does so as a jerk, then there is a problem. If they do so with the "holier than thou" attitude, there is the problem. I sincerely hope I have not written in a manner to suggest that I believe I am better than anyone else because of what I do know. If I have, please let me know when and where so that I can observe how my words may have given off that impression. I try not to sound condescending in my posts as best I can, because it is certainly not my intention to be that way.

Keep in mind that life exists outside of Christianchat.com, and what I do in real life is not captured unless someone decides to follow me around with a webcam.Please try not to judge the actions or inactions of others that you can't observe because you only see what can be seen online.There's more to people than a screen name and an avatar.

 

[BLC]

Re: Does "knowing" you're right on a subject give you the right to at like a jerk?

suaso,

Stop speaking in the third person when you have someone in mind. Make the person responsible by addressing them or calling them out. If you are going to accuse someone, name them and let them face and defend themself against the one accusing.

Quote: 'If I have acted like a Jerk in any way, I apologize. My point it that there is no error in giving advice or sharing knowledge as long as the person doing does so with love and patience. If the person does so as a jerk, then there is a problem. If they do so with the "holier than thou" attitude, there is the problem'.

Give an example that happened on this site that illustrates what you have said in the underlined part of your post above. If you have no illustration, then don't mention that there is a problem. If you would like to use me to illustrate, you are more than welcomed. If you have integrity then you will do it the right way without beating around the bush.

 

[suaso]

Re: Does "knowing" you're right on a subject give you the right to at like a jerk?

suaso,

Stop speaking in the third person when you have someone in mind. Make the person responsible by addressing them or calling them out. If you are going to accuse someone, name them and let them face and defend themself against the one accusing.

Quote: 'If I have acted like a Jerk in any way, I apologize. My point it that there is no error in giving advice or sharing knowledge as long as the person doing does so with love and patience. If the person does so as a jerk, then there is a problem. If they do so with the "holier than thou" attitude, there is the problem'.

Give an example that happened on this site that illustrates what you have said in the underlined part of your post above. If you have no illustration, then don't mention that there is a problem. If you would like to use me to illustrate, you are more than welcomed. If you have integrity then you will do it the right way without beating around the bush.

I am speaking in the third person explicitly for the reason that I don't have anyone in mind, at least not on this forum. There are people in real life whom I have encountered who behave without charity, and I suppose I could name them, but that would be useless as a) no one on the forums would know who they are, and b) the individual(s) would be unaware of the forum and this thread, and finally c) it would be most imprudent to speak about someone in such away if they aren't even here. I was responding hypothetically to what I saw as a hypothetic question: Does "knowing" you're right on a subject give you the right to at like a jerk? See here that the thread says "you're" and "you." It does not identify a specific subject, but is asking the community as a whole, or so I assumed, with this being the plural-you (thinking of "yall" or "yall are" here). So, I replied to the topic believing that no one was targeted specifically, and likewise, I answered the topic with no one specific in mind.

Now, in real life (i.e. on campus/at home) amongst friends, I have had to take some people aside and ask them to tone down their speech because it was sounding less like one Christian trying to help someone out and more like one Pharisee trying to lord it over another with their vast knowledge of things. Just because there may not be an exact illustration from CC for me to allude to, that ought not prevent me from commenting on what I see as a problem just about everywehere I go in real life.

And by the way...I do have integrity. If you knew me, you wouldn't have to ask. But no one on this site knows me in real life (save for LeoneXII and Porphyrios), and the person is more than his or her internet profile, so I won't hold it against you (or anyone else for that matter) for doubting it.

 

[BLC]

Re: Does "knowing" you're right on a subject give you the right to at like a jerk?

suaso,

Thank you for being honest. Remember that the word of God is quick and powerful ... and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart (Heb 4:12).

 

[Kakashi]

Re: Does "knowing" you're right on a subject give you the right to at like a jerk?

My thread has apparently proven its own point.

Let me clarify some things that i didn't make clear in the start. I am very aware that sometimes people feel "threatened" when they have the truth preached to them because it may go against what your current preconceptions are. People have kneejerk reactions and it's natural. HOWEVER, I am also aware that how you deliver the truth is equally as important as the truth itself. Why? because if people see you preaching the "truth" while you are being absolutely stuck up about it, a jerk, prideful etc etc then some people might associate that truth of the gospel to that attitude and it turns people away from it. Bad enough as it is, those who preach the Word without love are hypocrites and the Word loses its ability to latch unto others hearts sometimes, which is a horrible thing.


People who are spreading lies about the gospal, what can you do other than rebuke them and say " you're wrong" and provide reasons for why? BLC when you said "If someone came to you and lied about your best friend, would you just sit there and say nothing or would you tell them it was a lie and to stop spreading the lie or else?"

What do you mean "or else"? Do we threaten people now? It seems like some people in here are wanting justification to get rough and tough because it sounds good and holy, but honestly, most people on these forums aren't out of line enough to call the inquisition on. I'll admit I have seensome people in here who have false doctrines IMO, but I just debate and disagree with them and move on. What does threatening do? You can only do so much with words, Do we forget that only God can truely affect peoples hearts? if we preach Gods word, and a person doesm't react to it, I do not think that stuffing it down their gullet is going to make things work any better.


That is my honest opinion.
Also, it seem my thread has also somehow gotten off topic of the rapture? Please let's stay on topic and keep personal quips to PM! I'm not a mod, but I just wanna keeo things straight n the point. Please and thanks!

 

[KingdomGeneration]

Re: Does "knowing" you're right on a subject give you the right to at like a jerk?

Just as I said in an another thread, there are people here who, in their own self righteousness, would attempt to correct Jesus himself if what the Christ had to say did not line up with their doctrinal perspectives. Very sad but also very true.

 

[roaringkitten]

Re: Does "knowing" you're right on a subject give you the right to at like a jerk?

Does "knowing" you're right on a subject give you the right to at like a jerk?

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness" 2 Timothy 3:16

"To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them." Isaiah 8:20

"Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds." 2 John 9-11

"Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables." 2 Timothy 4:2-4

Nothing gives a Christian the right to act like a jerk. Because we are speaking via forums, anything could be taken as a personal attack, as we cannot express ourselves the way two people talking face to face does. When someone comes to a Christian forum and preaches another gospel or variation of the one true gospel(Galatians 1:6-9), then I have a duty to reprove and rebuke such people. Not out of hate, but with a caring manner, so as to warn them of false ****able doctrine. Galatians 1:6-9 says to those who preach another gospel, that they may be accursed! It is a horrible sin to lead someone into the lake of fire because you taught them a works gospel in disguise. God even commands us to not even bid farewell to such people(see verse above) or we are PARTAKING in their evil deeds!

This is why I am very opposed to catholicism, because the catechism teaches you are saved through water baptism, the eucharist,(and other sacraments-but sacraments are not even found in the Word of God!) They are preaching another gospel. A gospel that has and will lead multitudes into the lake of fire for eternity! Do you think I expose catholicism because I like offending people? I do it because I DO NOT want them to head to hell! That sounds more like I am EXTREMELY concerned for catholics! Sorry if you cant see this through my threads and replies! But I do care enough to warn people of hell........Whether anyone calls themself a protestant, baptist, methodist, pentecostal, etc.....means nothing if they are believing in their works to save them and that their good works keep them saved. satan would love me to quit CC and let those people perish.

I am saddened to see that many people here completely misunderstand salvation and do not understand eternal life. Then they go about preaching it and spreading lies on the forums. I have every right to be offended. Something the mods should be offended about too, enough to crack down on salvation heresy. I do pray for those on CC who are confused about eternal life.


"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables." 2 Timothy 4:3-4

I dont know how many people actually realise this, but Christianity is under fierce attack from the world and from within...satan is happily waging a war from within the church and from those in the world who hate Christians. The ecumenism movement is dangerous and pulling Christianity into big apostasy today. Elements of eastern religion cults and other ideas of Islam, Buddism, etc are springing forth into Christianity today in multiple churches and denominations....satan is sitting back and laughing at all the confusion within the church. And of course, those who would be courageous enough to warn people of false doctrine are ridiculed and called "not tolerant" of other ideas....Where is the Spirit of discernment? Of courage? Of wisdom? And when will we get Christians who are not afraid to have their reputations destroyed for warning people against catholicism and other false doctrine? Something to think about.

 

[MahogonySnail]

Re: Does "knowing" you're right on a subject give you the right to at like a jerk?

I have realised that in general the length of one's post is inversely proportional to the amount of error contained within.

 

[jaylynn83]

Re: Does "knowing" you're right on a subject give you the right to at like a jerk?

I have realised that in general the length of one's post is inversely proportional to the amount of error contained within.

I realized ALMOST the exact same thing... well except for that i believe the quadrenal length of ones post indirectly and indescretely outweighs the odds of the postsesetes being in the affirmative.......... hey.... just my opinion...

 

[MahogonySnail]

Re: Does "knowing" you're right on a subject give you the right to at like a jerk?

lol that's good

 

[jaylynn83]

Re: Does "knowing" you're right on a subject give you the right to at like a jerk?

thank you........ i know lol

 

[ThereIsHope]

Re: Does "knowing" you're right on a subject give you the right to at like a jerk?

Ugh to this this thread. It started out well then went south quick. Yuk.

Respectfully, Hope

 

[missballantyne]

Re: Does "knowing" you're right on a subject give you the right to at like a jerk?

hahaha this is actually really interesting! One thing we as Christian's need to see is that anger can be good if used correctly!! I watched a really great sermon by Ed Young, http://www.edyoung.com/series.php?id=1324 the series is called "Good N Angry" He talks about putting anger into positive aspects. Personally, I'm a very passionate person and it may come across as intimidating, but anyone who knows me knows it's out of love!
It was funny reading about BLC n suaso cuz I commented on that thread and just came here and read this haha so if you wanna see what I mean about being passionate and angry out of love - there ya go! To the buddy lookin for a church to meet his needs, it's good he did that cuz sometimes we need to push the buttons of the passionate believers to keep us on track!! cuz when its only you and your way of putting things together, we may not always come up with the right solutions - God DID create us for relationship! No?!? He never said things were gunna be perfect, I can have a good yelling fest (the italian coming out in me) but if I meant it out of fierce and anger, that would be wrong. I've only ever yelled out of passion or concern. lol from what I know! What we have to come to remember is that we're all, in the end, brothers and sisters. Treat one another as that, and it'll make our Dad proud!

 

[imoss]

Re: Does "knowing" you're right on a subject give you the right to at like a jerk?

One has to understand though that unity is not the good fight, but keeping the faith is. Is it love to ignore a brother in a trespass? Jesus said no. Is it love for anyone to be engaging in a practise that denies Him as having bought them and sealed as His? No. Is it love to forget about all that pertains to our faith and just have fellowship with everyone that professes Christ... Catholics, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, and any other words or deeds that you would not care to be saying nor doing to represent Jesus Christ and your faith in Him? No. quote

Why would you lump Catholics with the cults... are you trying to restart that thread? Please dont do this... Jesus is the Catholics RISEN Lord... in spite of the things that I agree they do wrong as a religious organization, they are Christian and do not deserve to be lumped in with known cults who dont acknowledge Jesus as risen Lord. anyway, i'm not Catholic but just thought I should offer a word of rebuke in this regard as I agree with alot of what you say but disagree with respect to your stating Catholics and Jehovahs are the same. NOT. Jesus is Not a jehovahs risen lord... just a great teacher so please do not be so insulting to our Catholic friends on here who share our risen Lord with us.

 

[annq123]

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maybe pride has something to do with it. some people had rather be right than happy. when i have tried to explain, in love, what i have learned, and it doesn't get through, i pray for the person. God is the only person who can change someone's heart...certainly it isn't , me. i just want to be used for God and show His love. But it is not easy, actually it is very difficult all the time. so, i suggest we show love and patience to everyone. God is good and above all, He loves us all and he is faithfu; to fullfil His Word.

 

[Aliciaforjesus]

Re: Does "knowing" you're right on a subject give you the right to at like a jerk?

( Note: I wanted to add the word "biblical" to the title before the word " subject", but didn't have enough room lol)

Just saying. Since I've had some time to myself cause school is done, I've had lots of time to peruse here. But in this particular section it seems that some people(not all of them) who think they are right on a biblical subject can be...well it seems like they can be a bit full of themselves. i can understand that sometimes be can get in spirited debate, but there's no excuse for having a 'holier than thou art because I'm more knowledgeable about something" Isn't it pointless being a knowledgeable christian if all we do with it it is misuse it for our own egos? Dosen't the bible say:

1Cr 13:13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.
1Cr 13:1 If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal.


I know there are tons of loving people here and I see them a lot! But it breaks my heart when we fight and bicker sometimes because some people want to be right and be a jerk about it rather than try to correct with a better attitude. cause, even though this is the internet, you can tell when someone is being stuck up about something sometimes and it causes more division than we already have. I'm willing to accept that each of us has varying beliefs, but love should be a common factor ya?. Ok, I'm done ranting. Your thoughts?

I agree with you,

I've run into the same problem with people trying to force you to believe in what they are saying to be true.

But the truth is,

Love never forces anything, never demands its own way.

No sence in argueing with a fool, or you become a fool also!

Even when God brings correction, it is done with love, not condemnation, and will not bring confusion!

It's His goodness that leads to repentance, and His mercy out weighs His Judgements!

Resist the Devil and He will flee!

 

[Kakashi]

Re: Does "knowing" you're right on a subject give you the right to at like a jerk?

hahaha this is actually really interesting! One thing we as Christian's need to see is that anger can be good if used correctly!! I watched a really great sermon by Ed Young, http://www.edyoung.com/series.php?id=1324 the series is called "Good N Angry" He talks about putting anger into positive aspects. Personally, I'm a very passionate person and it may come across as intimidating, but anyone who knows me knows it's out of love!
It was funny reading about BLC n suaso cuz I commented on that thread and just came here and read this haha so if you wanna see what I mean about being passionate and angry out of love - there ya go! To the buddy lookin for a church to meet his needs, it's good he did that cuz sometimes we need to push the buttons of the passionate believers to keep us on track!! cuz when its only you and your way of putting things together, we may not always come up with the right solutions - God DID create us for relationship! No?!? He never said things were gunna be perfect, I can have a good yelling fest (the italian coming out in me) but if I meant it out of fierce and anger, that would be wrong. I've only ever yelled out of passion or concern. lol from what I know! What we have to come to remember is that we're all, in the end, brothers and sisters. Treat one another as that, and it'll make our Dad proud!

Yes, i agree! i found the perfect verse that emphsizes this. Ephesians 4:26 In your anger do not sin: do not let the sun down while you are still angry.

Notice it says in your anger do not sin. not it is a sin to be angry. We can all be angered by things people do, but its how we approach it is how we avoid sin and we do that by putting off pride and the " old man" of our old selves.

 

[luke15chick]

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I have to admit because of some of the people's attitudes on this website like Kakashi is talking about, I have been close several times to leaving the website completely because it's not spiritually encouraging, which is the whole reason I joined to be encouraged spiritually. There are so many people who seem more interested in tearing others down. The Bible calls for gentle admonishment and if one is gentle there is nothing wrong, but it's when people are vicious that I become saddened.

 

[LynnJ]

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I have to admit because of some of the people's attitudes on this website like Kakashi is talking about, I have been close several times to leaving the website completely because it's not spiritually encouraging, which is the whole reason I joined to be encouraged spiritually. There are so many people who seem more interested in tearing others down. The Bible calls for gentle admonishment and if one is gentle there is nothing wrong, but it's when people are vicious that I become saddened.

I, too, have thought about leaving for the same reason as you. But I think I am just going to cease posting in the argumentative threads and stick to the Prayer Requests and Testimonies.

And I do enjoy hanging out in the Chat Room during friendly conversations.

 

[BLC]

Re: Does "knowing" you're right on a subject give you the right to at like a jerk?

If some of you were in a local ministry of believers that taught the word and doctrine daily, and you stayed under that teaching for at least (3) solid years and were able to honor and take what you were taught and put it into practice, in your home, in relationships and some kind of outreach or missions, and let God try His word in you, then you might not feel the way you do. Those that love God's word nothing offends them because they have great peace (Ps 119:165). Without peace ruling your heart you would have no ministry toward others. Instead of resenting what some have said, commit it to God and let God do what He wants with it in your life. If it is error, then by all means reject it in the same manner you would commit it to God, but to be passive or indifferent and have no urgency, who wants that.