The False Teaching (& Truth) of what happens at the Rapture.

FreeGrace2 · Feb 6, 2022

So, you can't or won't answer my question. Apparently my questions do bother you because you have no evidence for your claims.

#1 all believers in heaven got there by DEATH. Obviously.
#2 the 2 words have the same meaning, actually. Most people know that.
#3 show me in Rev 14 where the 144K are in heaven?

You are going to have to answer my questions before I answer yours.

lol. You haven't shown that they will be. Just fluff. That's all you have. No evidence at all.

lol again. You have no case for ANYTHING you post.

I DO have a case. I have shown Scripture, all of which you have sidestepped rather than even try to deal with them.

I have no reason to believe anything you say since you haven't YET shared any verse that supports your wild claims.

You're all talk.

You should be sincere when you say this because I have shared the TRUTH with you.

Have been here for a very long time.

TheDivineWatermark · Feb 6, 2022

kleronomos said:

Are you trying to suggest that the "man of sin BE REVEALED" at the time of Christ's Second Coming (Rev19)? Or am I reading you wrong?

"The day of the Lord" does not BEGIN at that point; it will have been unfolding upon the earth for "7 years" already, by that point (Rev19)... per 1Th5:1-3 (in connection with what Jesus had said about those very "birth PANGS" in Matt24:4-8 [esp v.4 as the INITIAL one] and Mk13:5-8 [esp v.5 as the INITIAL one] [/Lk21:8-11 (plural) described]), the INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR]" (OF THOSE) being at the DOTL's ARRIVAL; you are disconnecting the connection, however... and choosing rather to [incorrectly] relocate the arrival of "the day of the Lord" at the Matt24:29-31 [/Rev19] time-slot instead. This is to disregard what Scripture itself informs.

FreeGrace2 · Feb 6, 2022

FreeGrace2 said:
If you disagree, then please show why you do.
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peldom10 said:

Well, I guess you don't understand my challenge to you. Your response was just an opinion. I was asking for WHY you disagree.

iow, give me clear Scripture that says differently than I believe/claim. And you haven't. Can you? I doubt it.

Further, charging me with having a position that is against God's Word is the height of arrogance and stupidity. You think you are for God's Word? Every believer will claim that.

What separates between claimers is who has the evidence. Clearly, you do NOT. If you did, you'd have shared it by now.

And being unable to show WHY and HOW you disagree with my position clearly shows that your position has no evidence.

What, exactly, do you want me to 'respond' to? At this point, I don't know what post # or what page # you might be referring to.

I've always responded to questions or challenges. But I need to know what you are referring to, specifically.

FreeGrace2 · Feb 6, 2022

Absolutely said:

You are just talk. No evidence at all.

FreeGrace2 · Feb 6, 2022

Absolutely said:

Once we get to verse 36 of matt 24 we see 3 unmistakeable examples of the pretrib rapture.

Jesus switches thoughts and begins expounding in a prejudgement setting.
Mat 24
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

Wham
Wham
Wham

1 Noah invoked as a prejudgment example.
2 One taken/ left (which can only be the rapture....again, prejudgment)
3 watch and wait for jesus prejudgment.

****But in the same breath Jesus continues( so we do not stray from the truth of prejudgement removal)****

Matt 25
1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

****Read it as one teaching by Jesus.
He tell us twice to watch for His coming prejudgment****

Where are the "3 unmistakable examples of a pretrib rapture" in any of what you have quoted here?

Instead of quoting whole passages, get to the point. Or, when quoting whole passages, at least bold the verses that you think are key to your view.

FreeGrace2 · Feb 6, 2022

Absolutely said:
I have no idea how you can not recognize the 144k IN HEAVEN DURING THE TRIB., and not ask " how did they get there"?

kleronomos said:

The real killer for his obsession with Rev 14 as some kind of evidence for a midtrib rapture, etc is found in the word "harvest" in that chapter.

v.14-20 describes this "harvest" and it ain't no picnic/rapture. It's the killing of many many people, as the clear and plain language of the text says. No mystery here. And no rapture or anyone in heaven.

In fact, the ENTIRE chapter is about what happens ON EARTH.

You already pointed out Mt Zion, which is in Israel, not heaven. v.1
The proclamation of 3 angels is "in midair" and and proclaimed to "those who live ON THE EARTH". So this can't be heaven either.
And finally, the harvest of the earth is death death death. So much so, that blood runs as high as a horse's bridle for about 180 miles.

That's a lot of blodd.

And he thinks there is a rapture somewhere in this chapter. lol

kleronomos · Feb 6, 2022

TheDivineWatermark said:

I am not suggesting, IT IS WRITTEN. PUTTING SNIPPETS FOR ORDER OF EVENTS.

THIS IS WHAT IS RESTRAINING THE END TIME EVENTS FROM COMMENCING

ONCE THIS HAPPENS
Revelation 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

THEN THIS TAKES PLACE - THE ANGELS RECEIVE THEIR KINGDOM (as in the days of NOE)
Revelation 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

THIS ENDS IT
Revelation 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

Revelation 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

THIS IS CONFIRMATION THAT A DAY WITH THE LORD IS AS A THOUSAND YEARS AND THAT THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF THE LORDS DAY
Revelation 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

Revelation 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

Revelation 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Revelation 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

TheDivineWatermark · Feb 6, 2022

kleronomos said:

So you're saying you believe Revelation 12:8,9 (when Satan and his angels are cast out unto the earth [which is at TRUMPET #5], and there are "1260 days" yet remaining [so at the MID-point]) is WHEN "the man of sin BE REVEALED"?

I disagree. Rather, THAT ^ is when "the man of sin" does the "[who] SITTETH" thing (2Th2:4) but NOT when he does his "whose COMING / ADVENT / ARRIVAL / PRESENCE / parousia" thing (2Th2:9a / 8a), which is well before the 2Th2:4 MID-point.
(And I say this because of all the other Scriptures which touch on this point, which there are a number of them!)

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[let the readers also consider: NO ONE will be awarded "stephanon / crowns" UNTIL (like Paul had said, 2Tim4:8) "IN THAT DAY"... yet we see the "24 elders" WEARING "golden stephanous / crowns" (UP IN Heaven) when they SAY "hast redeemed US...to God by thy blood out-of EVERY..." (Rev5:9,[4]) BEFORE the FIRST SEAL is opened by Christ, when He will "STAND to JUDGE" at the START of those "7 years" (aka at the START of "the DOTL" earthly time-period, commencing with JUDGMENTs unfolding... in the "IN THE NIGHT [/DARK / DARKNESS]" aspect OF "the DOTL"); whereas Christ's Second Coming to the earth Rev19 is the "SUN of righteousness ARISE" aspect of it... and the 1000 yrs is the "reign... GLORIOUSLY" aspect of it... ALL THREE ASPECTS]

kleronomos · Feb 6, 2022

TheDivineWatermark said:

The beginning of sorrows is not the Lords Day.

Remember the sun went dark when Jesus was crucified? THE birth of a new 'age'.

The sun and moon will go DARK LIKE SACKCLOTH when the trib of Satan begins another new 'age' (season really)

The sun and moon go dark again signaling another change 'the Lords day'

Will it be like it was when Christ gave up the ghost? Or is it a different kind of going dark? I know if I wake up one day and the worlds electricity has shut down, I would consider that a dark day. I know that what ever happens I will 'know it then' even though I don't know it now.

The birth pang or pangs (doesn't matter much some birth with no pangs at all and some last for days and we aren't told of a timing that I am aware of) just tells us a new age is being birthed. If it is an long process, I would think it would look like we SEE happening on the earth right now. For thousands of years time crawled along at the same basic pace. Then around 200 years ago a PANG. Once that first pang took place the changes started coming and and as time continued the changes were coming faster and faster until we went from albums to cds to mp3s to ??? (lost me at after cds). Now I live in a world I witnessed 'the changing of' yet now know nothing about. There is a new language, I don't speak it. I truly am not of this world. So who's world is it? I do know the good has been made evil and the evil good pretty much everywhere.

Once I hear of a big earthquake I am doing final prep for off the gird. WHY? I can read. I figure if God was going to go through the trouble to give me tomorrows news today, I was going to use it to my advantage.

BUT, the tribulation of SATAN who has but a short time IS NOT THE LORDS DAY. It is not the day of vengeance. It comes after. The final generation has got to choose sides because the final day 'the birth' is coming and that is when GODS JUDGMENT FALLS because everyone has chosen.

Every single person on the planet either has NO MARK or HAS A MARK. Either you possess a lamp still lit or your lamp has gone dark. You have either remained faithful or you have committed IDOLATRY. You are either a VIRGIN or you are 'with child'.

Either way the THE JUDGEMENT HAS BEEN COMPLETED AND THERE is not much to do in the way of opening up books to tell who is who. EVERY SOUL has made a choice. If GODS WRATH were to fall before that point WHO would it fall on. Not saying there wont be forces trying to persuade, just there will be no wrath from God before then.

I personally believe that GOD through the Holy Spirit will be more present than EVER and more than we can imagine. He will have sent the two witnesses and they will be performing miracles. So we will have Satan 'healing deadly wounds' along with lying signs and wonders giving life to the image and the two witnesses sending out plagues etc. AND the Holy Spirit will be speaking through those given up for their 10 day trial. So there will be a 'birthing' of sorts of a little bit of heaven and earth being combined at that time.

Day of the Lord. We know exactly when it arrives, we just don't know when that when is.

Revelation 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

Those days are just about a week or so longer than the months so we know they come in the last 1/2 right before the war in heaven ends.

Revelation 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

Revelation 11:14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ

and He shall reign for ever and ever.

THAT IS WHAT THIS IS TALKING ABOUT
1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

AND THIS
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of HIS COMING
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

AND THIS
1 Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

AND THIS
........and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn
Isaiah 61:3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, THAT HE MIGHT BE GLORIFIED
4 And they shall build the old wastes, they shall raise up the former desolations, and they shall repair the waste cities, the desolations of many generations.

AND THIS TELLS YOU IT CAN'T START ANY SOONER THAN HIS RETURN
2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

TheLordIsMyRedeemer · Feb 6, 2022

FreeGrace2 said:

There is the Rev 12:5 harpazo of the 'child' who was 'caught up unto God, and to His throne.' The 'child' represents living believers who will rule and reign with Christ during the Millenium. The 'Man-child' (Jesus) rules; the 'child' is caught up, but they can be viewed as one 'first-born son who will rule over the earth.

kleronomos · Feb 6, 2022

THE DAY OF THE LORD IS THE CHANGING FROM THIS REALM TO THE SPIRITUAL ONE.

THAT IS WHY IT ALL SOUNDS SO SCARY TO 'CARNAL' WAYS OF THINKING. BUT WHEN YOU ACCOUNT THAT WE WILL ALL BE CHANGED IT REALLY HELPS TO 'SEE', THOUGH I MUST ADMIT I WOULD HATE TO BE ONE OF THE 'UNSAVED' ON THAT DAY. (ANY DAY)

NONE OF THESE THINGS HAPPEN WHEN SATAN IS CAST OUT. THERE IS A DEADLY WOUND HEALED. IMAGES SET UP. SUPERNATUAL EVENTS. NO BODIES HAVE CHANGED. NO DEAD HAVE RISEN.

Zephaniah 1:14 The great day of the LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly.
15 That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness,
16 A day of the trumpet and alarm against the fenced cities, and against the high towers.
17 And I will bring distress upon men, that they shall walk like blind men, because they have sinned against the LORD: and their blood shall be poured out as dust, and their flesh as the dung.
18 Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them in the day of the LORD's wrath; but the whole land shall be devoured by the fire of his jealousy: for he shall make even a speedy riddance of all them that dwell in the land.

Isaiah 13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.
11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.
12 I will make a man more precious than fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir.
13 Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.

TheDivineWatermark · Feb 6, 2022

kleronomos said:

No, throughout Scripture "the day of the Lord" is entirely EARTHLY-located... with humans / mortals still existing on it (bearing children / reproducing, etc...), and has been prophesied about, throughout the OT, to take place THERE (that is, ON THE EARTH--and involves ALL THREE ASPECTS of what I'd spelled out in that post);

It is "the day of CHRIST / Christ Jesus / our Lord Jesus Christ" that is when WE will be UP THERE *WITH* HIM. (In "glorified" bodies [meaning, "the DEAD IN Christ" must be resurrected BODILY prior to being "CHANGED" and "CAUGHT UP"... "TO the MEETING [noun] OF THE LORD"... "IN THE AIR"... which part some of you are leaving out--meaning, concerning their RESURRECTED BODIES])

FreeGrace2 · Feb 6, 2022

FreeGrace2 said:
What's comical is how much you've been refuted and you don't even know it. lol

I give you plenty of verses that plainly say what I believe. Unlike yourself.

I'm still waiting for a verse showing Jesus taking glorified believers to heaven.

You believe He will, but you haven't YET provided a verse that shows this.

So, because the Bible says nothing about that, where did you get your information from?

TheLordIsMyRedeemer said:

Huh?

Rev 12:5 -
English Standard Version
She gave birth to a male child, one who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron, but her child was caught up to God and to his throne,

You got all that from just this verse? Well, quite an imagination, at least.

The verse speaks of Jesus Christ, who WILL rule of the nations with a rod of iron. Being "caught up to God" is a reference to His own ascension.

The child does NOT "represent living believers" at all. He is Jesus Christ.

You are terribly misunderstanding "but her child was caught up to God and to His throne". A mother's child can be 33 yrs old. The verse notes Jesus' ascension. Nothing more.

Marilyn · Feb 6, 2022

FreeGrace2 said:

So let`s have a closer look at 1 Cor. 15: 20 - 26.

`But now Christ has risen from the dead, and has become the first-fruits of those who have fallen asleep. For since by man came death, by man also came the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive.

But each one in HIS OWN ORDER. Christ the first-fruits, afterwards those who are Christ`s at His coming.

Then comes the end, (Gk. telos, to set out for a definite point or goal), when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He put an end to all rule and all authority and power. For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet. The last enemy that will be destroyed is death.`

After the Lord comes and receive His own then we see that He sets out to put down all rule and authority and power. This takes time and He reigns till the last enemy is defeated and that is death. Thus we see that each will be in their OWN ORDER over time.

Marilyn · Feb 6, 2022

FreeGrace2 said:

OK, Adam is in Genesis. H doesn't have to be in Hebrews.

I start with Adam because he is the FIRST human being. Now, you can argue that he did or didn't believe in the promised Messiah, but it doesn't matter.

My point is that from the FIRST human being (Adam) the phrase "those who belong to Him" refers to every saved person from Adam forward.

If you disagree, then please show why you do.

Please refer to my last post showing that each in their own order.

kleronomos · Feb 6, 2022

TheLordIsMyRedeemer said:

TheDivineWatermark said:

THE 2ND ADVENT/THE DAY OF VENGEANCE/THE DAY OF THE LORD/THE MILLENNIUM/WE ARE REIGN AND RULE FOR THE NEXT 1000 YEARS

Revelation 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

Revelation 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

Revelation 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

Revelation 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

Revelation 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

Revelation 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

Revelation 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

Revelation 19:18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

Revelation 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Revelation 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

FROM KINGS AND CAPTAINS ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE FREE AND THE BOND GREAT AND SMALL dead AS THE VULTURES EAT THEIR DEAD FLESH.

NEXT THE REMNANT ARE SLAIN.

ALL FLESH DEAD. NO MORE FLESH FROM KINGS ON DOWN THROUGH THE SMALLEST. DEAD. BIRDS FEEDING ON THE FLESH AND IF THERE WERE A FEW THAT DEATH DIDN'T HIT THEN THE REMNANT THAT WERE LEFT WERE SLAIN.

NO MORE FLESH MEN OR WOMEN UPON THE EARTH LEFT ALIVE.

EXCEPT FOR THE ALIVE AND REMAINING WHO 'ARE CHANGED'

NOT BECAUSE THEY rise up BUT BECAUSE THEY DO NOT HAVE THE MARK OF THE BEAST AND THEN THEY ARE CHANGED INTO THEIR SPIRITUAL BODIES. HOW CAN WE BE POSITIVE? 1000% SURE. NOT HAVE A DOUBT IN THE WORLD. BET THE FARM ON IT? BECAUSE THEY ARE EVER WITH THE LORD. AND THE LORD IS ETERNAL. SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE ALSO.

ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL FLESH IS GONE. WE HAVE NOW BECOME LIKE THE ANGELS WHO NEITHER TAKE OR GIVE IN MARRIAGE. NO KIDS NO MARRIAGE. NO FLESH. ALL EARTHEN VESSELS GONE.

kleronomos · Feb 6, 2022

TheDivineWatermark said:

I AM leaving out NOTHING. You give me the scripture and I will place it where it goes.

Lets go to that final day on the earth under the tribulation of Satan, the last day of the week, the moments when the two witnesses rise.

Who is on the planet earth at that exact moment? The whole world who has worshipped after Satan, and the 'alive and remaining' who have endured to the end. EVERY SINGLE PERSON FALLS ON ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER.

WHAT HAPPENS TO THE 'LAWLESS' WHEN CHRIST RETURNS? THEY ARE DESTROYED. THEY DIE THEIR FIRST DEATH. THEY ARE DESTROYED BY THE BRIGHTNESS OF HIS COMING JUST AS SATAN IS.

THEY ARE BIRD FOOD.

DO ME A FAVOR AND GET OUT OUT THE LETTER OF THE WORDS FOR A MOMENT AND GET INTO THE SPIRIT OF THEM. GET INTO THE REALITY OF THE SITUATION THAT IS TAKING PLACE. FOR IN THE END ALL THE WORDS ARE DOING IS TELLING US A STORY. BUT THE STORY ISN'T ABOUT THE WORDS. LETS TALK THE STORY, NOT THE WORDS THEMSELVES.

HEAVEN IS COMING TO EARTH. REMEMBER JOHN THE BAPTIST?

Matthew 3:1 In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea,
Matthew 3:2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

HEAVEN, THAT SPIRITUAL REALM, THE ONE CHRIST JESUS RESIDES IN IS COMING HERE. HE ISN'T GOING TO CHANGE AND BECOME FLESH THIS TIME. HE DID THAT ONCE.

THE KINGDOMS OF THE EARTH ARE GOING TO BECOME HIS AND HIS IS A SPIRITUAL WORLD. ALL THE 'DEAD' THAT RISE ARE IN SPIRITUAL BODIES. THE BODIES THAT COME WITH CHRIST ARE SPIRITUAL BODIES. THE 'DAY' IS GOING TO BE 1000 YEARS LONG. EARTH BODIES DON'T DO THAT ANY MORE.

BEHOLD I SHEW YOU A MYSTERY 'ALL WILL BE CHANGED'. not the same 'change' but all flesh will be no longer flesh.

FreeGrace2 · Feb 6, 2022

FreeGrace2 said:
Bottom line: 1 Cor 15:23 shows that "those who belong to Him" will be resurrected "when He comes".

What does this verse say to you?

Marilyn said:

OK.

The words "over time" do not occur in the text, and aren't even in the concept of the text. So you're adding to what the Word says.

I was interested in what v.23 says to you. The verse plainly says makes the point that "when He comes" THEN "those who belong to Him" will be resurrected.

Do you think that Jesus comes to earth "over time"?

FreeGrace2 · Feb 6, 2022

Marilyn said:

Doesn't help. You added "over time" in your 'reding' of v.23. But that's not what the verse says.

It says plainly that "when He comes" THEN "those who belong to Him".

So, ALL believers from all time (Adam on) will be resurrrected "when He comes".

I asked in my previous response, how many times do you think Jesus "comes"?

Marilyn · Feb 7, 2022

FreeGrace2 said:

`Those who belong to Him,` are those who are eagerly waiting for Him to come and take them to glory. (Heb. 9: 28)

The word `end` in Greek is `telos` meaning to set out for a definite point or goal. That is clear enough.

God`s word says that the Lord must reign TILL He has put all enemies under His feet. (1 Cor. 15:25) and that takes time.

The False Teaching (& Truth) of what happens at the Rapture.

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