The Lord's Day (Rev. 1:10) - Sabbath (7th) or Sunday (1st) or Eschatological day or something else?

[ChristianSubMissionary]

lol reading comprehension much?

the churches are not alone. Christ is with them. He is the 8th, He rose on the 8th, and even His name in gematria -

Ιησους = 888

I read just fine. I also do not read in scripture where Jesus arose on the 8th of anything. I read Jesus arose on "the first [day] of the week" several times however, but never the 8th of anything.

Jesus is the 8th?, what?

Even as a child, Jesus was the 1st born of Mary, and Jesus was the 7th (by marriage to Mary) of Joseph (who had before his marriage to Mary, with a previous wife (deceased), 4 boys and 2 girls).

Yes, I know Hebrew Gematria and Greek Isopsephy and other systems of numerology.

Ἰησοῦς

I (J) - Iota - 10
e - Eta - 8
s - Sigma - 200
o - Omicron - 70
u - Upsilon - 400
S - Sigma (final) - 200

888 in Greek Isopsephy. What does it have to do with the topic of Revelation 1:10, or "the Lord's day" therein?

888 is not 8, as you attempt to link through similar numbers.

777 is not 7.
666 is not 6.

They are multiples of those numbers and mean differing things in Hebrew Gematria and Greek Isopsephy.

Seems like more Red-Herring, Non Sequiturs and unhelpful and incomplete data upon your part.
Compare what you are presenting to what I presented in the second post at the beginning. I have no mental loop de loops, math problems, mystical numbers there; just the organizational structure itself and immediate context.

 

[ChristianSubMissionary]

Attention all posters. The topic is Revelation 1:10's "the Lord's day".

The topic and thread is not about anything else; not anyone's salvation, not certain religions (Seventh-day Adventist was mentioned in a stereotypical, negative caricature and erroneous materials to boot), not the prophetic "mark of the beast", "covenants", etc. The OP is clear. Please stay on OP topic. Thank you.

 

[ChristianSubMissionary]

Dialogue with Trypho is not a forgery.

You have evidence of a person named Trypho, rather than a polemical device?

 

[gb9]

??? Jesus arose on "the first (day) of the week" after the Sabbath had ended. Scripture is clear as day about that. Anyone teaching that Jesus arose from the dead during the hours of the seventh day the Sabbath is mistaken, and in great error.

so, why are you not criticizing the ones in this thread that Do way Jesus rose on the Sabbath?

 

[Grandpa]

History proves that sunday worship is pagan worship.
2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

Please show me where God has clearly sanctified Sunday and made it Holy.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
Exo_20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Isa 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:

I could explain all your errors and all your incorrect assumptions.

But you reject scripture. You only cherry pick the scripture you think supports your agenda and reject the simple meaning of those that don't.


The bible proves that Christians aren't under the Law.
The bible proves that Christians came together on Sunday.

Why would Christians go against the bible and the rest that Christ gives them in order to do what the Law prescribes?

Galatians 3:10-11
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

 

[Grandpa]

Yes. How closely did you consider the evidence?

The gobbledy gook you posted? I didn't consider it at all.

The few scriptures I posted, how closely did you consider that evidence?

 

[Grandpa]

Jesus did rise on Sunday but that does not mean the sabbath is now Sunday.
The Sabbath of the Lord God is the seventh day of the week (as shown in creation), and no one has given a biblical reason why we should sanctify Sunday or keep it Holy. Sunday is not the lords day. The resurrection is an excuse to worship on Sunday (as the Sabbath) but it is not a biblical excuse, Only one day is sanctified and set aside for holy use and that day is the seventh day which we call Saturday.
We need to obey the 4th command .....

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
1Jn_5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn_5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Hebrews 7:12-19
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.

14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,

16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.

17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

 

[Rondonmon]

Hebrews 7:12-19
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.

14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,

16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.

17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

Is hard for people to grasp things when they look into small windows, they do not understand you have to read the whole bible. I mean, this isn't even a hard question tbh, this is easy, the lord's Day is Sunday, the Jews called the Sabbath he Sabbath. The Law Keeper Types do this, they don't understand you can't make it to heaven by keeping the law because of you break ONE LAW you are guilty and deserve death before a Holy and Just God, but His mercy suffices.

 

[ChristianSubMissionary]

so, why are you not criticizing the ones in this thread that Do way Jesus rose on the Sabbath?

Who is saying that in this thread?

 

[ChristianSubMissionary]

The bible proves that Christians came together on Sunday.

Actually, scripture show the disciples (as did the "Jews" before them) met "daily". The word "Sunday" is not found in scripture. "Sunday" is pagan Roman time (midnight to midnight), and not scriptural time (even unto even; sunset to sunset). The phrase "first [day] of the week" only coincides with the pagan Roman time of "Sunday" in part. Why would a "Jew" or "Christian" claim "Sunday" as any kind of "holy" time? Please see the images in the third post for more details.

 

[ChristianSubMissionary]

the Jews called the Sabbath he Sabbath

Actually the "Sabbath" has several designations in scripture.

1. The seventh day
2. Sabbath of the LORD
3. My (God's) rest
4. My (God's) holy day
5. The holy (day) of the LORD
6. (God's, the LORD'S) day
7. That day approaching (dualistic)
8. The Lord's ... day
9. It
10. The Sabbath of rest, an holy convocation
11. His (God's) rest
12. (God's day to) Remember
13. Hallowed (day)
14. Sanctified (day)

 

[ChristianSubMissionary]

Hebrews 7:12-19
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.

14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,

16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.

17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

Context. Law of prieshood changed from Levitical to Melchizedical. Ten commandments are not altered in Hebrews and existed before there ever was a levitical priesthood inaugurated. They remain as ever which is why you still need the priest. See Hebrews, "true tabernacle" in Heaven, and Revelation with the "ark" therein.

 

[ChristianSubMissionary]

The gobbledy gook you posted? I didn't consider it at all.

The few scriptures I posted, how closely did you consider that evidence?

Down to the very letters, because as a Christian I am commanded to "prove all things" and to "search the scriptures", etc and to listen to others before rejecting (Proverbs 18:13,17; Titus 3:10) and to go to them (Matthew 18).

My question to you is, Why don't you do the same for me?

 

[ChristianSubMissionary]

11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

There is no one posting in this thread that claims that anyone can be or is being, or will be, justified by any law keeping.

I teach:

Isa 45:25: "In the LORD shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory."

Now the OP is clear. The thread is not about salvation, justification, sanctification, glorification, etc. It is only about simply identifying Revelation 1:10's "the Lord's day" in the context of scripture.

If you want to understand what the passage you cited means that "the just shall LIVE BY FAITH" please begin a separate thread and I will gladly go over the many scriptures, in their context, about living the 'eternal life' of perfect obedience to God's law by faith of Jesus.

 

[ChristianSubMissionary]

Is hard for people to grasp things when they look into small windows, they do not understand you have to read the whole bible. I mean, this isn't even a hard question tbh, this is easy, the lord's Day is Sunday,

I have read the entire bible (KJB) and even read the entire Catholic Bible (St. Joseph's New American Ed.), and considered great portions in Hebrew, koine Greek, Latin, German, Spanish, French, Italian, old English, Gothic, Samoan, etc.

I have never read in any location, in any of those Bibles, or languages thereof, that "the Lord's day" is "Sunday" (Roman) or even "the first [day] of the week" (scriptural).

If you are saying I have missed such evidence in my reading, then please point to the verse or verses which demonstrate your position.

 

[pottersclay]

Attention all posters. The topic is Revelation 1:10's "the Lord's day".

The topic and thread is not about anything else; not anyone's salvation, not certain religions (Seventh-day Adventist was mentioned in a stereotypical, negative caricature and erroneous materials to boot), not the prophetic "mark of the beast", "covenants", etc. The OP is clear. Please stay on OP topic. Thank you.

I think the answer lays within what Lord's day john was referring to.
Was it the appointed time of God or was john referring to the Lord or lordy day.
The appointed ceaser of that time set a side a day in which all people's in the land would come up to the statue he had erected of him self and give homage by declaring that he is Lord.
So is which day is john referring to? Could it be that he knew that many of the brothers that day would be killed by not honoring the command?
Was john in prayer for such a day as this and the Lord God gave him a vision?

 

[pottersclay]

After all the Lord points out the past, present, and future view to be written

 

[gb9]

Who is saying that in this thread?

start with the guy with the bird as his avatar.

 

[posthuman]

??? Jesus arose on "the first (day) of the week" after the Sabbath had ended. Scripture is clear as day about that. Anyone teaching that Jesus arose from the dead during the hours of the seventh day the Sabbath is mistaken, and in great error.

from one of your links:

https://www.pickle-publishing.com/papers/sunday-fraud.htm

says here 'the Lord's day' isn't sabbath.

i think you need to change your vote

 

[ChristianSubMissionary]

from one of your links:



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says here 'the Lord's day' isn't sabbath.

i think you need to change your vote

I have actually read my linked materials. The quote is from "Apostolic Constitutions" (supposedly late 3rd C.) and is being used to refute Catholics that claim Christians were not keeping Sabbath so late after Jesus' ascension. Neither I nor brother Bob Pickle, place any credence in that source to identify the Lord's day of Revelation 1:10 precisely because of its Catholic nature, which denies what scripture teaches in several places (Isaiah 8:20).

If you think I am going to be changing my vote based on Catholic documents and reasoning you are in serious need of a logic class.

It is a Catholic document used (like a hostile witness) to refute Catholics and their mistaken notion in regards Sabbath keeping. Of course Catholics claim the the Lord's day is Sunday. See 'pope' Sylvester I.