You are still a slave to sin if you are still doing them. JESUS Gifted us The Way to Overcome!

[Phoneman-777]

You gave up attempting to attain to obeying the law at the first step "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart and all thy soul"

You knew you didn't, couldn't, wouldn't, so you did not even attempt to.

Yet all the other laws hang upon it.

You are a fraud.

Which one truly loves his neighbor - the man who tries to reason with those who define "saving relationship with Jesus" as something less than "full surrender" or the one who sits back saying nothing and waits for the day he'll watch them cast into the Lake of Fire?

 

[Phoneman-777]

Np the deal was that you would read and answer my question that I asked first then I would answer yours it is a simple matter of courtesy I promise to answer you if you will first answer me as I was the one who asked this first in post #197 if you cannot or will not answer then I have no obligation to answer yours what is given will be given back simple as that.

Sorry, I must have checked the wrong post. No, I'm not a Calvinist, nor do I subscribe to Calvinism Lite (great taste, unfulfilling).

Calvinism Lite retains from Calvinism Perseverance of the Saints aka "OSAS" and, perhaps, Limited Atonement. To these, I say Jesus neither plays favorites nor does He compel faithfulness - many called, few chosen; the chosen can opt out if they want.

 

[Phoneman-777]

It is a matter of old covenant vs new covenant you seem to want to live in the old covenant which lives by law the sabbath was kept yes but it was done strictly and done so as a law of God to be kept it was part of the old covenant while in the new one where Jesus became Lord of the sabbath he became the sabbath for us he keeps the sabbath for us he became the sacrifice for us so we don't have to sacrifice lambs anymore everything the old commandments demanded he became for us so we can simply rest in him and be with GGod.

So no it is not demanded we keep the sabbath anymore because he is our sabbath now it is not wrong to keep the sabbath and some do so out of respect for God but it is not demanded anymore of us unless of course you consider Jesus's works not good enough or consider him to not be the Lord of the sabbath or at the very least do not understand what it means to be Lord of the sabbath and what that entails

The only difference in the OC and NC is that the location of the law changed...the law is still the same, according to Psalms 89:34 KJV -- "My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone from My lips (Ten Commandments spoken by Him at Sinai):

NC = Ten Commandments written on Heart (Hebrews 8:8-10 KJV)
OC = Ten Commandments written on Stone (1 Corinthians 3:1-3 KJV)

That's why Hebrews 4:9-10 in Lamsa's Peshitta says "It is therefore the duty of the people of God to keep the Sabbath. For he that has entered into His rest, he has ceased from his own works, as God did from His."

 

[Phoneman-777]

now its emotionalism. what next? anyone with only 3 toes on their left foot?

you are manufacturing excuses

however let God be true...and you know the rest of it

Nah, just the emotionalism of leftist Christians - BTW, you ever gonna get around to desconstructing Matthew 24:12-13 KJV?

 

[Phoneman-777]

the sabbath was made for man...that's in the Bible...

does God close His ears on the Sabbath or still answer prayer?

duh

Hilarious how those who argue against keeping the Sabbath now will somehow call it a "delight" for all eternity when they get to heaven...

guess that's tied to that "cerebral switch" God's supposed to flip when we get up there which will make us hate sin instead of the idea of overcoming it

 

[Phoneman-777]

well at least that is true

however, they found a home in the hearts of those vipers

yeah

The "vipers" claimed the promises of God while rejecting the condition for obtaining them - repentance and full surrender.

The modern generation of "vipers" do the exact same thing.

 

[Phoneman-777]

and your father was Abraham if I remember right?

Abraham better be your father, according to Galatians 3:29 KJV

 

[BroTan]

No OSAS would be pleased with a husband or wife claiming "once married, always married" as a basis for excusing infidelity....but the God of the Universe, with Whom they think they can bargain when the only thing they can bring to the bargaining table is a lost soul, had better honor that OSAS License to Sin.

That's is so true people want a license to keep sinning, and those people who believe in that false doctrine of “once saved always saved” and that you can never fall away then what does this next verse mean? Paul says in (Heb. 6:4-6) (v.4) For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, (v.5) And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, (v.6) If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

You mean that you can be enlightened, be partakers of the Holy Ghost, taste the good word of God and still it’s possible for you to fall away. Just as a person choose to serve God of their own free will you can by that same free will decide to stop serving God. You are what is called a free agent, the choice is yours. Jesus says in (Matt. 24:13) But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. That is until the end of your life, or until the Second Coming of the Lord.

 

[SophieT]

Abraham better be your father, according to Galatians 3:29 KJV

I'm not Jewish' I'm just one of those grafted in type individuals

 

[SophieT]

I am not responding in this thread any longer

it has become ridiculous and nothing but entertainment for some

 

[Phoneman-777]

That's is so true people want a license to keep sinning, and those people who believe in that false doctrine of “once saved always saved” and that you can never fall away then what does this next verse mean? Paul says in (Heb. 6:4-6) (v.4) For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, (v.5) And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, (v.6) If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

You mean that you can be enlightened, be partakers of the Holy Ghost, taste the good word of God and still it’s possible for you to fall away. Just as a person choose to serve God of their own free will you can by that same free will decide to stop serving God. You are what is called a free agent, the choice is yours. Jesus says in (Matt. 24:13) But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. That is until the end of your life, or until the Second Coming of the Lord.

The OSAS crowd always says, "Oh, they were never saints to begin with..."

Problem: They were "made partakers of the Holy Ghost", right? Well, Acts 5:32 KJV plainly says the only people who get the Holy Ghost are "them that obey Him"...which means they can be none other than the Saints...because Romans 8:7 KJV plainly says the wicked can't obey Him even if they wanted to.

 

[Phoneman-777]

I'm not Jewish' I'm just one of those grafted in type individuals

You ain't "Abraham's seed"? Pretty sure Paul says everyone who belongs to Christ is exactly that

 

[Evmur]

Which one truly loves his neighbor - the man who tries to reason with those who define "saving relationship with Jesus" as something less than "full surrender" or the one who sits back saying nothing and waits for the day he'll watch them cast into the Lake of Fire?

YOU my friend are not fully surrendered ... you are doing your best [we don't reckon your best is good enough]

 

[Evmur]

To summarize your words, Jesus died so the saint who willfully sins can escape the same punishment due to the sinner who willfully sins.

Good gravy, man, what else is that but a "OSAS License to Sin"???

A license allows the bearer to escape punishment for doing the exact same thing for which the unlicensed are punished.

You do not understand what sin is, you may not have murdered anybody, but you hate [all denials will do you no good] sin is not something you do it is something you are.

You have not understood that at the cross Christ took away the sin of the world.

Now all that is left is to receive NEW LIFE, this life is in the Son, the inner life of Christ in the heart. The new birth.

You tucked the bible under your arm and declared war upon the church ... you think that is being christian.

 

[Evmur]

You ASSUME God put David’s sin away before he confessed it.

I can ASSUME God instructed Nathan to tell David his sin was put away ONLY if he confessed and my assumption would be plausible while yours is not backed up by Scripture:

“IF we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins…”

See that little word “if”? Denotes “condition” - the condition for obtaining forgiveness for sin is confessing it.

Nathan did not say "if" he said "your sins are put away."

 

[Evmur]

Stanley says there’s the saved, the lost, and “carnal Christians” who willfully engage in sin. He says while they rob themselves of jewels in their crowns, the crowns are still waiting for them to wear in heaven.

I heard this false pulpit prophet preach this with my own ears.

All sin is wilful YOU sin, when you sin it is wilful. I think they do more than lose their jewels, they may well lose their crowns but they will be saved.

Some will be saved as through fire.

But they also incur punishment here in this life. Because YOU go back on your promise God cannot go back on His promise. He has sworn to save us and He will.

 

[Evmur]

This was posted from a brother in Christ , and I thought this would be a good place to post it...

If salvation could be lost or undone once spritiual rebirth has already occured in a believer, God would then have to do numerous things the Bible never speaks of or teaches Him doing to anyone!
Surely the scriptures would clearly illustrate these things if it were true?
Follow along...
God would have to pass me back into death from the eternal life that He already gave me.
God would have to remove me spiritually from being seated with Christ in heavenly places.
God would have to "un-join" me from Christ.
God would have to "un-wash" me from the blood of Jesus that already washed me.
God would have to "un-seal" me from the Holy Spirit.
God would have to "re-place" my sins back onto me that He already removed as far as the east is from the west.
God would would have to now remember my sins that He already "remembers no more".
God would have to break His own covenant He made with His Son and therefore would make Him a liar (and we know God cannot lie).
God would have to "un-adopt" me as His child.
God would have to leave me and forsake me eventhough He promised to never do so (again God cannot lie).
God would have to "pluck me" from His own hand in which He already promised nothing could ever do!
God would have to "take back" the free gift He already gave to me.
God would have to "un-do" the righteousness He already imputed to me from Jesus.
God would have to fail to raise me on the last day going back on His promise to do so (God cannot lie).
God would have to fail in completing the good work in me He already promised to complete.
God would have to ignore all the prayers of His Son on our behalf who is interceding for us as believers.
God would have to ultimately reverse the once for all sacrifice made by His own Son and ignore it like it never happened.
I could go on for days with this! But hopefully you get the picture.
Titus 3:5 KJV
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; 3:6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; 3:7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

great post.

 

[Rhomphaeam]

So, Jesus is our example in all things EXCEPT "not My will, but Thine", right?

You see? That's why I HATE this stupid doctrine. It blinds people to what should be readily seen by all. Do you really think you're going into heaven with anything less than full surrender when Lucifer was kicked out for that very thing? Good gravy!

Here, brother, read this from beginning to end. No need to respond unless you want to respond but I have felt a need to post the link several times and so now I am yielding to that mind.

Salvation - The Living Meaning

Just to give some meaning as to why I felt a need to post this link from over a week ago.

From the thread @#3

This subject as a deep need arose in my own life back in the 1980's when I first heard the expression - Once Saved Always Saved. At the time I was in a real conviction of sin despite being saved radically just a few years prior to this teaching. My reaction in the youth meeting was to challenge the saying - not because I didn't understand that I had received an eternal salvation in Christ - but because I knew that my continued sin left me deficient in some profound way. The youth leader refused to receive my concern which I expressed as a general concern seeing as I could see that many in the youth group were living fleshy and somewhat worldly lives. I didn't judge anyone - but my challenge had the effect of the youth leader telling that I was causing them to stumble.

Out of that experience I first saw that somehow I didn't understand Salvation fully - and I felt very strongly that my brethren didn't either. So I began to write about the subject in my private time. After some months I realised that I couldn't write about Salvation if all I could do was cite doctrine that didn't have a living reality in my own life. Somehow between being born again and having a truly wonderful liberty and living faith I had gone to a place of being grieved inwardly knowing that I was missing the mark in my own walk. The Lord permitted me to be sifted to bring me to a place of having the grace to minister to others whilst not being perfect myself. Before that ministry began the Lord first restored my peace in a remarkable way - almost as life changing as my conversion. The difference really was that I began to realise that my utter dependance was always going to be on Him - despite that He required me to grow in knowledge and doctrine to share with others - but never as a dead teaching - always in the certainty that His word needed to be expressed prophetically and not simply as doctrine.

 

[Phoneman-777]

YOU my friend are not fully surrendered ... you are doing your best [we don't reckon your best is good enough]

So, the one who preaches full surrender as a defining characteristic of a Christian is not a surrendered servant, but the one who fights against full surrender is not in rebellion,

The Romans used to execute their soldiers for less than what you do.

 

[Phoneman-777]

You do not understand what sin is, you may not have murdered anybody, but you hate [all denials will do you no good] sin is not something you do it is something you are.

You have not understood that at the cross Christ took away the sin of the world.

Now all that is left is to receive NEW LIFE, this life is in the Son, the inner life of Christ in the heart. The new birth.

You tucked the bible under your arm and declared war upon the church ... you think that is being christian.

No, sir, it’s you who doesn’t understand what sin is - “transgression of the law”.

Jesus didn’t die to grant you a License to keep doing the things which made necessary His death in the first place.😟