The False Teaching (& Truth) of what happens at the Rapture.

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John146

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Because they are chamber pots
19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.
21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

If a man does not purge himself from iniquities, he will be a vessel unto dishonour and not ready for the master's use.
 
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19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.
21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

If a man does not purge himself from iniquities, he will be a vessel unto dishonour and not ready for the master's use.
Point? If you want to discuss sovereignty it deserves its own thread.
 
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19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.
21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

If a man does not purge himself from iniquities, he will be a vessel unto dishonour and not ready for the master's use.
If you want to discuss sovereignty it deserves its own thread.
 

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Why is nobody raptured?
If you actually knew what you were talking about you would realize that the rapture has already taken place by now. Do you even understand the Jewish wedding ritual? You'd better sort that out first.

These bridesmaids (who are not the bride, in the same way that John the Baptist was the friend of the bridegroom....JTB is an OT Saint not a Christian) are NOT actually living (for months!) with the bride in her house waiting for the midnight cry of the bridegroom. NO.

The bridegroom finally comes, the midnight cry is heard (the whole village finds out in a very short period of time), the bride is instantaneously snatched to the father's house. Done.

These Bridesmaids (all of whom are slumbering sleeping at their own residences), find out AFTERWARD (during the same evening) that the bride has already been snatched away. The task of these bridesmaids is to inform the entire village that the rapture has happened, and the bride and groom are fulfilling their ***seven day*** honeymoon at the Father's house. These bridesmaids run to and fro telling EVERYONE that the wedding meal/feast/celebration is imminent!

Sequence: Rapture (Bride and Groom enjoying their honeymoon in privacy in the Father's house in Heaven), seven-year tribulation on earth (where Israelites are preaching, proclaiming, testifying of the inevitable, soon Second Coming), Second Coming/wedding supper. So simple so easy so straightforward so understandable.

Your generic error prone guesswork is doing everyone a terrible disservice. You are missing the mark over and over again.
 

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seven-year tribulation on earth (where Israelites are preaching, proclaiming, testifying of the inevitable, soon Second Coming), Second Coming/wedding supper. So simple so easy so straightforward so understandable.
Agreed.

But people tend to want to read THEMSELVES into passages which are not about them/us...

(essentially usurping Israel's role for themselves--as though EVERY passage is "about US"... instead of "correctly apportioning the word of truth" as we are called to do)
 
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Any postribbers got a bible???

Lets go.

Get that dust off it and lets go!

You will learn something.
Your tolerance is note worthy and your advice is true.
Many get on here and display knowledge of little exposure to scriptures because....... dust is on their Bible.
 
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Amen
As you pointed out, lot was removed, then judgement.
He was not removed after judgement.
Postribbers believe erroneously that they are removed POSTJUDGEMENT.
Thanks for pointing that out
That is not what I believe I believe they are removed at the Second Coming of Christ The same day. Not seven years prior.
 
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Absolutely , rightly it should not go away. “Jesus further likened the timing of the separation of believers from unbelievers to the day when Lot exited the city of Sodom: . . . as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded: But the “SAME DAY" that Lot went out from Sodom, it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. EVEN THUS SHALL IT BE IN THE DAY WHEN THE SON OF MAN IS REVEALED ( Luke 17:28-30 ) According to the clarity of Christs statement, believers will be removed from the outpouring of God’s wrath on the “SAME DAY” that fiery destruction will fall upon an unregenerate humanity, even as righteous Lot was delivered on the same day in which the unbelievers of Sodom and Gomorrah were annihilated. The passage does not say that Lot was removed from Sodom seven years before the judgment comsumed the cities of the plain. It specifically that the separation was a simultaneous event transpiring on the “SAME DAY” As if the reinforce the reality of this truth, Jesus also compared His second coming to the judgement of the flood upon Noah’s generation.

And as it was in the days of Noe( Noah) , so shall it be also in the days of the Son of Man. They did eat, they drank , they married wives, they were given in marriage, UNTIL THE DAY THAT NOE ENTERED INTO THE ARK, AND THE FLOOD CAME, AND DESTROYED THEM ALL ( Luke 17:26,27 see also Matt. 24:37-41). Jesus indicates the timing of separation between believers and unbelievers. Noah was spared and the unbelieving remnant was destroyed. The destruction produced a great separation, so shall it be at the Second Coming of Christ. In both comparisons, Jesus stresses the timing of the separation. Both isolate the timing to the “same day”. As Wilmot noted:
The simultaneous action of God in deliverance and judgment our Lord drew attention to when He spoke of His coming and like incidents in Biblical history are not wanting. “ ( The selfsame day: Gen.7:11-13 ) that Noah entire the ark, the flood came and destroyed them all “ ; “the same day that Lot went out of Sodom, it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed the all. “ Even thus shall it be when the Son of man is revealed” ( Luke 17 ) William R. Kimball , The Rapture a Question of Timing
 
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If you actually knew what you were talking about you would realize that the rapture has already taken place by now. Do you even understand the Jewish wedding ritual? You'd better sort that out first.

These bridesmaids (who are not the bride, in the same way that John the Baptist was the friend of the bridegroom....JTB is an OT Saint not a Christian) are NOT actually living (for months!) with the bride in her house waiting for the midnight cry of the bridegroom. NO.

The bridegroom finally comes, the midnight cry is heard (the whole village finds out in a very short period of time), the bride is instantaneously snatched to the father's house. Done.

These Bridesmaids (all of whom are slumbering sleeping at their own residences), find out AFTERWARD (during the same evening) that the bride has already been snatched away. The task of these bridesmaids is to inform the entire village that the rapture has happened, and the bride and groom are fulfilling their ***seven day*** honeymoon at the Father's house. These bridesmaids run to and fro telling EVERYONE that the wedding meal/feast/celebration is imminent!

Sequence: Rapture (Bride and Groom enjoying their honeymoon in privacy in the Father's house in Heaven), seven-year tribulation on earth (where Israelites are preaching, proclaiming, testifying of the inevitable, soon Second Coming), Second Coming/wedding supper. So simple so easy so straightforward so understandable.

Your generic error prone guesswork is doing everyone a terrible disservice. You are missing the mark over and over again.
Sorry, man. Immediately AFTER the tribulation the ELECT will be gathered from all the earth. Also, while still in the midst of the Tribulation, for the ELECT’s sake those days will be shortened. Doesn’t seem like random guests or bridesmaids wandering in the darkness. If Christ’s ELECT were not the bride, I don’t know who is.

In Matt 26:39 Jesus himself was praying IF it is possible, let this cup pass from me. He was praying for any alternative other than this gruesome crucifixion - does a secret pre-trib rapture ring a bell? However, “not my will, but Yours.” You think I look forward to embrace the Great Tribulation? The Beast, the image, the mark, the whole package? Nobody wants that, I wish we could get out of this clown world as much as you do, but nonetheless, “not my will, but Yours.” If it has to be post trib, then so be it. If you really have faith in God, pray for His divine protection and spirit, not an easy way out with least resistance, for ”broad is the way that leads to destruction.”
 
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Have you posted any scripture at all? Just curious...or are you on here just to argue?
Yeah I have ,look it up. And get over you obsession with semantics , that crap belongs in a school yard , not here.
 
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Have you posted any scripture at all? Just curious...or are you on here just to argue?
Romans 8:29 ESV /
For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.
Isaiah 14:24 ESV /
The Lord of hosts has sworn: “As I have planned, so shall it be, and as I have purposed, so shall it stand,
Romans 8:29-30 ESV /
For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.
John 6:37 ESV /
All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.
Daniel 4:34 ESV /
At the end of the days I, Nebuchadnezzar, lifted my eyes to heaven, and my reason returned to me, and I blessed the Most High, and praised and honored him who lives forever, for his dominion is an everlasting dominion, and his kingdom endures from generation to generation;
Jeremiah 32:17 ESV /
‘Ah, Lord God! It is you who have made the heavens and the earth by your great power and by your outstretched arm! Nothing is too hard for you.
Isaiah 40:13-14 ESV / 1
Who has measured the Spirit of the Lord, or what man shows him his counsel? Whom did he consult, and who made him understand? Who taught him the path of justice, and taught him knowledge, and showed him the way of understanding?
Isaiah 14:27 ESV =
For the Lord of hosts has purposed, and who will annul it? His hand is stretched out, and who will turn it back?
Proverbs 21:31 ESV / 1
The horse is made ready for the day of battle, but the victory belongs to the Lord.
Proverbs 20:24 ESV /
A man's steps are from the Lord; how then can man understand his way?
Revelation 19:6 ESV /
Then I heard what seemed to be the voice of a great multitude, like the roar of many waters and like the sound of mighty peals of thunder, crying out, “Hallelujah! For the Lord our God the Almighty reigns.
Revelation 15:3 ESV /
And they sing the song of Moses, the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, “Great and amazing are your deeds, O Lord God the Almighty! Just and true are your ways, O King of the nations!
2 Peter 3:9 ESV /
The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.
Hebrews 4:13 ESV /
And no creature is hidden from his sight, but all are naked and exposed to the eyes of him to whom we must give account.
Matthew 10:29 ESV /
Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? And not one of them will fall to the ground apart from your Father.
Isaiah 43:15 ESV /
I am the Lord, your Holy One, the Creator of Israel, your King.”
Psalm 104:24 ESV /
O Lord, how manifold are your works! In wisdom have you made them all; the earth is full of your creatures.
Psalm 22:28 ESV /
For kingship belongs to the Lord, and he rules over the nations.
2 Corinthians 4:4 ESV /
In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
Romans 9:20 ESV /
But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?”
Romans 9:19 ESV /
You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?”
John 1:3-4 ESV /
All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life, and the life was the light of men.
Daniel 4:34-35 ESV /
At the end of the days I, Nebuchadnezzar, lifted my eyes to heaven, and my reason returned to me, and I blessed the Most High, and praised and honored him who lives forever, for his dominion is an everlasting dominion, and his kingdom endures from generation to generation; all the inhabitants of the earth are accounted as nothing, and he does according to his will among the host of heaven and among the inhabitants of the earth; and none can stay his hand or say to him, “What have you done?”
Jeremiah 27:5 ESV /
“It is I who by my great power and my outstretched arm have made the earth, with the men and animals that are on the earth, and I give it to whomever it seems right to me.
Isaiah 55:8-9 ESV /
For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, declares the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.
Psalm 147:5 ESV /
Great is our Lord, and abundant in power; his understanding is beyond measure.
Revelation 4:2 ESV /
At once I was in the Spirit, and behold, a throne stood in heaven, with one seated on the throne.
2 Timothy 1:9 ESV /
Who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began,
Deuteronomy 2:30 ESV
But Sihon the king of Heshbon would not let us pass by him, for the Lord your God hardened his spirit and made his heart obstinate, that he might give him into your hand, as he is this day.
Psalm 33:11 ESV /
The counsel of the Lord stands forever, the plans of his heart to all generations.
Revelation 20:11 ESV /
Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. From his presence earth and sky fled away, and no place was found for them.
Revelation 17:17 ESV /
For God has put it into their hearts to carry out his purpose by being of one mind and handing over their royal power to the beast, until the words of God are fulfille
 

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Sorry, man. Immediately AFTER the tribulation the ELECT will be gathered from all the earth. Also, while still in the midst of the Tribulation, for the ELECT’s sake those days will be shortened. Doesn’t seem like random guests or bridesmaids wandering in the darkness. If Christ’s ELECT were not the bride, I don’t know who is.

In Matt 26:39 Jesus himself was praying IF it is possible, let this cup pass from me. He was praying for any alternative other than this gruesome crucifixion - does a secret pre-trib rapture ring a bell? However, “not my will, but Yours.” You think I look forward to embrace the Great Tribulation? The Beast, the image, the mark, the whole package? Nobody wants that, I wish we could get out of this clown world as much as you do, but nonetheless, “not my will, but Yours.” If it has to be post trib, then so be it. If you really have faith in God, pray for His divine protection and spirit, not an easy way out with least resistance, for ”broad is the way that leads to destruction.”
Did you even comprehend my last post? Denial and misdirection is the way of the post-tribber. I mean what else is there left for you to do? Scriptural support and rational arguments are out the window along with integrity and truth.
 
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Just in case that wasnt enough, a few more on God's soverignty:

Psalm 115:3 ESV /
Our God is in the heavens; he does all that he pleases.
Daniel 4:35 ESV /
All the inhabitants of the earth are accounted as nothing, and he does according to his will among the host of heaven and among the inhabitants of the earth; and none can stay his hand or say to him, “What have you done?”
Proverbs 21:1 ESV /
The king's heart is a stream of water in the hand of the Lord; he turns it wherever he will.
Isaiah 46:10 ESV /
Declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things not yet done, saying, ‘My counsel shall stand, and I will accomplish all my purpose,’
Proverbs 19:21 ESV /
Many are the plans in the mind of a man, but it is the purpose of the Lord that will stand.
Psalm 135:6 ESV /
Whatever the Lord pleases, he does, in heaven and on earth, in the seas and all deeps.
Ephesians 1:11 ESV /
In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will,
Psalm 103:19 ESV
The Lord has established his throne in the heavens, and his kingdom rules over all.
Romans 8:28 ESV /
And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose.
Proverbs 16:33 ESV /
The lot is cast into the lap, but its every decision is from the Lord.
Proverbs 16:9 ESV /
The heart of man plans his way, but the Lord establishes his steps.
1 Chronicles 29:11 ESV /
Yours, O Lord, is the greatness and the power and the glory and the victory and the majesty, for all that is in the heavens and in the earth is yours. Yours is the kingdom, O Lord, and you are exalted as head above all.
Romans 9:18 ESV /
So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills.
Proverbs 16:4 ESV /
The Lord has made everything for its purpose, even the wicked for the day of trouble.
 
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That is not what I believe I believe they are removed at the Second Coming of Christ The same day. Not seven years prior.
Yes we go when he comes, exactly like he said.
"BEFORE THE FLOOD........"

one taken, one left.

Watch and be ready.

Pretrib rapture big time.
 

John146

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Yeah I have ,look it up. And get over you obsession with semantics , that crap belongs in a school yard , not here.
Words matter to God and they should matter to us. Sovereignty is not a biblical term. I absolutely believe that God reigns supreme over all things, but has given responsibility over to man to make choices. Satan is the god of this world, the ruler of the darkness. Ultimately, God's word will prevail as stated. We can get on board or not.

Calvin believes all things that occur have been ordained by God making God the author of sin.
 
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