What is the scriptural basis for the doctrine of prophetic intercession?

[ResidentAlien]

Some may have heard of "prophetic intercession." I'll admit I only recently became aware of it. After years of reading my Bible the idea never crossed my mind, but apparently it's a doctrine I've overlooked. Silly me, I always thought it was the Spirit who intercedes for us (Romans 8:26); or Christ Himself (Romans 8:34).

A prophetic intercessor, as I understand it, is someone who intercedes for others but who has a prophetic gift which gives them special knowledge that enables them to intercede on a more powerful and effective level. They don't necessarily prophesy verbally or predict anything. As a case in point they'll refer to Anna (Luke 2:36). Nothing is recorded of Anna actually making a prophecy, but she's called a "prophetess"; therefore, she must be a "prophetic intercessor."

What's the scriptural basis for this teaching, anyone know? Or is this another one of those made-up doctrines in search of scriptures to twist for its justification?

 

[Mem]

Nothing is recorded of Anna actually making a prophecy, but she's called a "prophetess"; therefore, she must be a "prophetic intercessor."

What's the scriptural basis for this teaching, anyone know? Or is this another one of those made-up doctrines in search of scriptures to twist for its justification?

Idk what constitutes the title of 'prophet intercessor,' but the Berean Study Bible provides a subheading for the section that mentions Anna, "The Prophecy of Anna," and so suggests the title stems from that she 'gave thanks to God and spoke about the child to all who were waiting for the redemption of Jerusalem (Luke2:38).'

 

[ResidentAlien]

Idk what constitutes the title of 'prophet intercessor,' but the Berean Study Bible provides a subheading for the section that mentions Anna, "The Prophecy of Anna," and so suggests the title stems from that she 'gave thanks to God and spoke about the child to all who were waiting for the redemption of Jerusalem (Luke2:38).'

That's a good point and I believe you're right.

In this video, however, James Goll says (starts at 3:15): "but it [the scriptures] doesn't ever give one account of her [Anna] actually personally prophesying." He's trying to make the case for prophetic intercession, which apparently is not a type of prophecy based on spoken words but more like prayer on steroids.

So, my point is, Goll and others have twisted Luke 2:36-38 to suit their own purposes. I can't think of any other scriptures that even hint at a gift or an office of "prophetic intercessor." It should come as no surprise Goll's on CTVN promoting his latest book.

 

[ResidentAlien]

I said Goll was promoting his latest book but this video was posted November, 2019 so it was his latest at the time. He's published at least four since then that I know of.

 

[JTB]

While there is no office or gift of "prophetic intercessor", there's no reason a prophet can't intercede.

Sounds like someone trying to make more out of something that happens naturally. They're not happy with what God does thru them, they want a title to go with it!

 

[ResidentAlien]

While there is no office or gift of "prophetic intercessor", there's no reason a prophet can't intercede.

There's no reason anyone can't intercede.

 

[JTB]

I went on an automotive website to find a resolution to an issue I was having with my car. I struck up a chat with a man on the site. He said he was an atheist, and that if he were to believe in God he would be extremely angry at God. He explained that he and his girlfriend had been considering becoming Christian, but before they could make that decision she died. How could a loving God take her before she had a chance to decide for Him? That was the basis of his anger.

One night I was praying for him, and I got this vision of legions of angels rushing into what I interpreted to be a cave or tunnel. One after ten after hundreds of them, charging into this tunnel at full speed.

Some days later I was chatting with him again, and I mentioned this vision. He said his girlfriend had died in a car accident under a freeway overpass.

I could only respond with, “don’t be so sure she didn’t make that decision”. His reaction was to temper his anger at God.



Would this be an example of "prophetic intercession"? I'm just glad to be used by God - I don't need a title to go with it!

 

[ResidentAlien]

I went on an automotive website to find a resolution to an issue I was having with my car. I struck up a chat with a man on the site. He said he was an atheist, and that if he were to believe in God he would be extremely angry at God. He explained that he and his girlfriend had been considering becoming Christian, but before they could make that decision she died. How could a loving God take her before she had a chance to decide for Him? That was the basis of his anger.

One night I was praying for him, and I got this vision of legions of angels rushing into what I interpreted to be a cave or tunnel. One after ten after hundreds of them, charging into this tunnel at full speed.

Some days later I was chatting with him again, and I mentioned this vision. He said his girlfriend had died in a car accident under a freeway overpass.

I could only respond with, “don’t be so sure she didn’t make that decision”. His reaction was to temper his anger at God.



Would this be an example of "prophetic intercession"? I'm just glad to be used by God - I don't need a title to go with it!

No I don't believe so. I believe if you had a vision at all it was false. Sorry.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Some may have heard of "prophetic intercession." I'll admit I only recently became aware of it. After years of reading my Bible the idea never crossed my mind, but apparently it's a doctrine I've overlooked. Silly me, I always thought it was the Spirit who intercedes for us (Romans 8:26); or Christ Himself (Romans 8:34).

A prophetic intercessor, as I understand it, is someone who intercedes for others but who has a prophetic gift which gives them special knowledge that enables them to intercede on a more powerful and effective level. They don't necessarily prophesy verbally or predict anything. As a case in point they'll refer to Anna (Luke 2:36). Nothing is recorded of Anna actually making a prophecy, but she's called a "prophetess"; therefore, she must be a "prophetic intercessor."

What's the scriptural basis for this teaching, anyone know? Or is this another one of those made-up doctrines in search of scriptures to twist for its justification?

never heard of it I have heard of intercession in scripture Moses for instance interceded for isreal when God decided to destroy them all

and of course Jesus interceded for the believers in the world when Gods wrath was declared upon all

his intercession is all I’m aware of though we often intercede for each other in many ways not prophetically or anything but just as brothers praying for and also helping out tangibly brothers who are struggling. That’s a form of intercession

I’ve never heard of what you are describing though could be a thing I just never heard of it

 

[Edify]

I have encountered those who told me, "I heard you praying exactly for the problem I was facing".
The Spirit of prophecy does do this, but I think it should never be given a special place or a special name to "indicate" I have a "special ministry". You're either led by the Spirit or not.
Such true ministry should be labeled under prophecy, because prophecy cover a wide range of ministry that includes deliverance, a word of wisdom or knowledge, foretelling future events, forthtelling current events or spiritual conditions, healing, & others. None of these are titles, just descriptions.
As an example, I recently read some scripture from Mat 6:25-33 to our congrgation at the end of a service because there were those with anxieties about church problems & personal spiritual problems. God put it in my heart & I felt the strongest urge to read it.
I don't say this to glory, because all glory belongs to the Lord. I was just the one He used at the time.

 

[ResidentAlien]

You're either led by the Spirit or not.

Such true ministry should be labeled under prophecy, because prophecy cover a wide range of ministry that includes deliverance, a word of wisdom or knowledge, foretelling future events, forthtelling current events or spiritual conditions, healing, & others. None of these are titles, just descriptions.

First of all, you assume that people who practice these things are "led by the Spirit." You don't have to be led by the Spirit to make predictions. The proof of this is in the fact that so many predictions don't come to pass. You don't have to be led by the Spirit to claim special knowledge. People who claim to "deliver" by the power of the Spirit are a dime a dozen.

Your position is that which is held by many, many people these days. They sit safely in the middle ground. They reject hyper charismania but can't let go of cherished ideas about all the charismatic gifts. I'm quite sure you probably wouldn't hesitate to make a distinction between true and false miracles (ours are true, theirs are false). Likewise, what you seem to be saying is: "Prophetic Intercession" bad, but prophetic intercession good.

 

[Edify]

First of all, you assume that people who practice these things are "led by the Spirit." You don't have to be led by the Spirit to make predictions. The proof of this is in the fact that so many predictions don't come to pass. You don't have to be led by the Spirit to claim special knowledge. People who claim to "deliver" by the power of the Spirit are a dime a dozen.

Your position is that which is held by many, many people these days. They sit safely in the middle ground. They reject hyper charismania but can't let go of cherished ideas about all the charismatic gifts. I'm quite sure you probably wouldn't hesitate to make a distinction between true and false miracles (ours are true, theirs are false). Likewise, what you seem to be saying is: "Prophetic Intercession" bad, but prophetic intercession good.

First of all, you are making assumptions that I'm making assumptions. TRUE prophets ARE led by the Spirit, not by earthly talents.
Lots of people make predictions, but not all by the Spirit.
Is Warren Buffet a prophet because he predicts things on Wall St.? No.
Is Bill Gates a prophet because he "predicted" there would come another "pandemic"? No.

Is trying to "label" every little thing happening in the church a good thing? No, because such "additions" lead to false teaching.
Stick to the old black backed Book. It's much easier than trying to add self importance to it the mix like the namers & claimers do.

 

[ResidentAlien]

First of all, you are making assumptions that I'm making assumptions. TRUE prophets ARE led by the Spirit, not by earthly talents.
Lots of people make predictions, but not all by the Spirit.
Is Warren Buffet a prophet because he predicts things on Wall St.? No.
Is Bill Gates a prophet because he "predicted" there would come another "pandemic"? No.

Is trying to "label" every little thing happening in the church a good thing? No, because such "additions" lead to false teaching.
Stick to the old black backed Book. It's much easier than trying to add self importance to it the mix like the namers & claimers do.

What I would say to all middle-of-the-roaders is this: The false teachers who gave birth to the modern charismatic movement have all been exposed. The charismatic movement begun in the late 1800s-early 1900s is what eventually gave birth to the hyper charismania of today. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit. Why cling to a bad tree?

 

[Blain]

There have been times albeit rarely when I will be having my alone time with God and have an overwhelming sense of someone in need one time it was someone somewhere who was in deep gut wrenching agony inside feeling lost alone like they didn't matter as if their very existance was pointless their every breath was a waste of space they longed to be cared about longed to know what it is like to be loved what it must feel like to matter even just a little. I felt all of this as if this person was me and was in tear and begged God to run to this person and embrace them in his warmth no sooner had I said that I saw feathers as if something had moved at blinding speed leaving only a few feathers behind.

Very recently I felt someone pass away a sweet old women alone in hospice I have faith I will see her one day and hopefully learn that she felt my presence and he death was not so alone. Now as far as prophetic goes I don't know but intercession yes I know first hand it is a real thing

 

[JTB]

No I don't believe so. I believe if you had a vision at all it was false. Sorry.

Really. During prayer for someone, I had a vision that was a 90% match to an issue that person was facing which in turn caused him to release his anger towards God.

Now why would you think such a thing would be false?

Otherwise, its one extremely lucky shot in the dark.

 

[Mem]

That's a good point and I believe you're right.

In this video, however, James Goll says (starts at 3:15): "but it [the scriptures] doesn't ever give one account of her [Anna] actually personally prophesying." He's trying to make the case for prophetic intercession, which apparently is not a type of prophecy based on spoken words but more like prayer on steroids.

So, my point is, Goll and others have twisted Luke 2:36-38 to suit their own purposes. I can't think of any other scriptures that even hint at a gift or an office of "prophetic intercessor." It should come as no surprise Goll's on CTVN promoting his latest book.

I watched the video and, according to my lazy scholarship using wikipedia as source, as I'm not so much interested in following the footnotes to delve too much deeper into it, Jewish tradition doesn't consider Daniel as counted among the prophets, whatever that's worth, though it makes me wonder why.

Personally, I've had several experiences where sudden 'visions' (although I'm sure the use of that term doesn't invoke the same definition is any two individuals) have prompted me to pray for specific person or persons along with insight into the situation but I'm not sure this is what Goll is speaking to, none of my experiences have involved any strangers. Well, I have dial back the claim it has never involved strangers...I knew the first names of some people when I eventually met them n person...however. I've also been shown the kitchen where I eventually gained employment, a rather unique design that I didn't initially recognize as an actual brick and mortar kitchen but more like a street market?...,

At any rate, I believe the ultimate 'purpose' for this phenomenon goes back to the witness that 'I Am' is aware of, and ever keeps, our coming in and our going out, whether any particular listeners 'hear' it or not. That is, I don't believe I influenced any particular outcomes so much but that I received 'real-time' playback, so to speak, of God's work so, if that's a 'prophetic intercessor' then maybe it's only because it has a better ring to it than just 'intercessory prayer'

 

[Mem]

I can't think of any other scriptures that even hint at a gift or an office of "prophetic intercessor." It should come as no surprise Goll's on CTVN promoting his latest book.

From the top of my mind, albeit the idea is not clear to me, Job 42 is the only thing I can think of that could hint at such an idea, . God rebukes Job's friends for misrepresenting Him and commands them to take 7 bulls and 7 rams to Job and make a burnt offering for themselves and says He will accepts Job's prayer for them? Job seems to me to fit the definition of a prophet (representing God accurately) and intercessor here.

 

[Edify]

What I would say to all middle-of-the-roaders is this: The false teachers who gave birth to the modern charismatic movement have all been exposed. The charismatic movement begun in the late 1800s-early 1900s is what eventually gave birth to the hyper charismania of today. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit. Why cling to a bad tree?

You do greatly err, since the charismatic movement started somewhere in the 1960's.
Are you a fan of John MacAuthur?

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

Some may have heard of "prophetic intercession."

Never heard of it in over 43 years of study! But, surely some of God's
"Revelation of HIS MYSTERY, for The Body Of CHRIST" will surely, be
somehow interpreted for us to "see it," somehow, Correct?

 

[ResidentAlien]

Really. During prayer for someone, I had a vision that was a 90% match to an issue that person was facing which in turn caused him to release his anger towards God.

Now why would you think such a thing would be false?

Otherwise, its one extremely lucky shot in the dark.

I don't believe in miraculous signs like the one you described. I think it's all a lot of phony baloney actually. Nothing personal, it's just all nonsense to me.