Look.
I tried to pin you down to what you believe.
SPECIFICALLY asked you "where are they taken"
Your non answer into defection is
One word;
"Same"
Then i get a corrective lecture on doing what you do.
All my posts are clear. No hiding, no erroneous transfer of verses
Lets try this for about the 5th time;
Noah is framed preflood pretrib.
The earths population in everyday activities.
From that setting
"One is taken"
Taken where?
Is that " one" wicked or righteous?
He is 'taken' not in a physical manner. In other words he is not taken from one place to another. Noah wasn't
taken anywhere either. NOT that it matters BECAUSE there is no pre tribulation rapture. SINCE there is no pre tribulation rapture written about in the words of God, there is NOTHING to teach or learn. The only thing some of us can do, is KEEP POINTING THAT OUT. This is how we do it. We ask you to make a case.
BIBLE 101 and what I am pretty sure EVERY SINGLE CHRISTIAN KNOWS is GOD didn't look down on the earth one day and FOR NO REASON BUT EVERYTHING WAS GOING ALONG ALL NORMAL LIFE DECIDE TO END LIFE ON EARTH.
YOU, trying and trying to make that case is???? I want to say ignorant, but you know the story, so that isn't it. Willful or not, it is apparent to everyone, EVEN those who profess belief in pre trib rapture, that what is being suggested as truth simply isn't. The days BEFORE THE FLOOD weren't normal by any stretch.
You keep asking for a 'physical' body taking from one place to another. Ask me a million times and it will still always be a SPIRITUAL taking and not a physical one. YOU CAN SAY I AM NOT ANSWERING the question but you know I am.
I CAN'T ANSWER IT ANY OTHER WAY AS
I DON'T BELIEVE IT IS A PHYSICAL TAKING LIKE YOU DO
so I can't ever SAY WHERE they are 'taken to' for your satisfaction, can I?
I do know why you are fighting so hard and why it
CAN'T BE ABOUT THE ANGELS FOR YOU BECAUSE IF IT WERE THEN WHEN YOU TRANSFERED IT TO THE PRE TRIB DOCTRINE THE DOCTRINE WOULD FAIL BECAUSE 'THE ANGELS AND SATAN' WOULD BE HERE BEFORE THE TAKING AND THAT CERTAINLY IN ANOTHER NAIL IN THE COFFIN.
LET'S LIST 2 OF THOSE NAILS
1. TILL ENEMY MADE FOOT STOOL. Sure you can say Jesus showed up for John to fall at His feet but I am sure even you would agree that 'a rapture of the church' is quite a different thing that a showing up and talking to. I of course don't believe that Christ would disobeyed God, for the PRE TRIB RAP it seems to be ok to have Jesus 'in the air' of the earth while Satan is still in heaven. With the earth being 'the footstool' it puts Jesus at the feet of Satan. The whole thing just tastes bad.
2. The verse used for the church being
'taken up' is the verse used
for the return of Christ to rule and reign on earth leaving you NOT ONE VERSE to get the church off the ground. We know this to be truth because of 1. the trump 2. brethren being brought back with Him 3. the dead rising 4 the alive and remaining changed. NONE OF THOSE THINGS happen at any time
EXCEPT AT THE VERY END WHEN THE 7TH TRUMP IS BLOWN AND ALL THE KINGDOMS OF THE EARTH ARE MADE HIS
3 The books and chapters you use as 'proof' THEMSELVES SPELL OUT THE DAY
as 'in flaming fire' executing JUDGMENT
2 Thessalonians 1:5 Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:
6 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us,
when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8
In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
Please read this carefully
10
When He shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.
do YOU SEE HOW WE MUST BE HERE FOR THIS VERSE TO HAVE BEEN WRITTEN IN TRUTH. IT DOESN'T SAY ' TRIBULATION SAINTS' BUT OUR TESTIMONY WAS BELIEVED. THAT IS US, THE CHURCH. AND WE ARE GIVEN A TIME FOR THIS TO TAKE PLACE
IN THAT DAY
11 Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfil all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power:
THEY PRAYED WE WOULD BE WORTHY OF THIS CALLING
AND FULFIL ALL THE GOOD PLEASURE OF HIS GOODNESS,
AND WE ARE TO WORK THE WORK OF FAITH WITH POWER.
THESE WORDS AREN'T WRITTEN TO the so called 'TRIB SAINTS' they are written to those who are told to put on the armor of God to withstand AND TO STAND IN THE DAY. HOW MANY TIMES ARE WE TOLD TO DO THIS? HOW MANY HUNDREDS OF different WAYS is it written?
HOW CAN WE IGNORE that EVERYONE the Holy Spirit has been working through, guiding in the putting on of the gospel armor, IS SNATCHED AWAY. WHO DOES SATAN TRY AND DECEIVE IF THE CHURCH IS GONE?
ARE WE TO BELIEVE THAT GOD IS SENDING TWO WITNESSES INTO A WORLD WHERE ALL KNOWLEDGE OF THEM HAS DISAPPEARED? AND THE ONLY ONES LEFT
ONLY BELIEVE BECAUSE THEY HAVE 'SEEN' THE CHURCH RAPTURED???? how does that work? do they get instant knowledge ON HOW TO READ AND RIGHTLY DIVIDE THE WORDS OF GOD?
WE HAVE NO ANSWERS FOR ANY QUESTIONS BECAUSE FOR A MIRACLE BIGGER THAN THE PARTING OF THE SEA,
THERE ISN'T A WORD ABOUT IT. NOT ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS BEFORE. NOT ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS DURING. NOT ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS AFTER. NOW ABOUT UP IN HEAVEN. NOT ABOUT IF THEY EVEN RETURN TO EARTH. NOT ONE SINGLE DETAIL.
FAITH IS OF THINGS UNSEEN. SO these 'made up TRIB SAINTS' DON'T HAVE FAITH, THEY HAVE FEAR. AND THESE ARE THOSE WHO GOD IS COUNTING ON?
HOW YOU DON'T SEE ALL OF THESE THINGS AS GOING AGAINST EVERYTHING THAT IS WRITTEN I ONLY KNOW OF TWO ANSWERS AND THAT IS BLINDNESS OR WILLINGLY.
1 Thessalonians 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2 For
yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness,
that that day should overtake you as a thief.
How are we protected from WRATH? 1Thessalonians 5:8
But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. 9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation
by our Lord Jesus Christ. NOT BY PRE TRIB RAPTURE BUT BY our Lord and Savior. Spiritual
