An Analysis on the 144,000 in Revelation
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No repentance needed when we tell the TRUTH.
Falsely accusing your brother in Christ is a bad path to take.
Here is some Remedy for you from the LORD: Romans ch2
For circumcision is indeed profitable if you keep the law; but if you are a breaker of the law, your circumcision has become uncircumcision. 26Therefore, if an uncircumcised man keeps the righteous requirements of the law, will not his uncircumcision be counted as circumcision? 27And will not the physically uncircumcised, if he fulfills the law, judge you who, even with your written code and circumcision, are a transgressor of the law?
28For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh;
but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose [praise is not from men but from God.
Falsely accusing your brother in Christ is a bad path to take.
Here is some Remedy for you from the LORD: Romans ch2
For circumcision is indeed profitable if you keep the law; but if you are a breaker of the law, your circumcision has become uncircumcision. 26Therefore, if an uncircumcised man keeps the righteous requirements of the law, will not his uncircumcision be counted as circumcision? 27And will not the physically uncircumcised, if he fulfills the law, judge you who, even with your written code and circumcision, are a transgressor of the law?
28For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh;
but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose [praise is not from men but from God.
I did tell the truth.
Your my brother? I have not determined that yet.
And Have not falsly accused anything.
Yep. But we are not talking about this
We are talking about Gods promise to abraham, A promise he made as an eternal promise. A promise he will keep. Whether you like it or not
If God does not keep his promise to them. Nothing is there for him to keep his promise to us.
But let me guess, Do you believe eternal life is conditional also. It can be lost?
Your my brother? I have not determined that yet.
And Have not falsly accused anything.
Yep. But we are not talking about this
We are talking about Gods promise to abraham, A promise he made as an eternal promise. A promise he will keep. Whether you like it or not
If God does not keep his promise to them. Nothing is there for him to keep his promise to us.
But let me guess, Do you believe eternal life is conditional also. It can be lost?
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The Specific Promise thru One Child is CHRIST.
For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
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Oblio, the 144,000 are indeed the Bride of Christ and they are all Jews according to this Promise: Galatians ch3 and Gospel of John
For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
They are not Jews according to the flesh but are the Israel of God that have been brought forth, BORN, thru the SPIRIT.
But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, 7nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.” 8That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed. 9For this is the word of promise: “At this time I will come and Sarah shall have a son.”
For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
They are not Jews according to the flesh but are the Israel of God that have been brought forth, BORN, thru the SPIRIT.
But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, 7nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.” 8That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed. 9For this is the word of promise: “At this time I will come and Sarah shall have a son.”
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Uh, It seems to me that we were adopted. The adoption theme runs practically throughout the Bible. In real life I too was adopted and it was never held against me. No one besides my step parents ever mentioned a word about it. We are not less than or better than anyone through blood lines in the eyes of the Lord. It's the faith in Jesus, the messiah, that justifies us. The Nation of Isreal was raised in 70 ad what remains is only a remnant of what was.
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We are more then adopted for we have been Born Again thru the Spirit of God.
The Body of Christ is not second class children to fleshly Jews.
God has chosen His People to be those who are His by His Spirit.
They answered and said to Him, “Abraham is our father.”
Jesus said to them, “If you were Abraham’s children, you would do the works of Abraham. 40But now you seek to kill Me, a Man who has told you the truth which I heard from God. Abraham did not do this. 41You do the deeds of your father.”
Then they said to Him, “We were not born of fornication; we have one Father—God.”
42Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. 43Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. 44You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. 45But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me. 46Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me? 47He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.”
The Body of Christ is not second class children to fleshly Jews.
God has chosen His People to be those who are His by His Spirit.
They answered and said to Him, “Abraham is our father.”
Jesus said to them, “If you were Abraham’s children, you would do the works of Abraham. 40But now you seek to kill Me, a Man who has told you the truth which I heard from God. Abraham did not do this. 41You do the deeds of your father.”
Then they said to Him, “We were not born of fornication; we have one Father—God.”
42Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. 43Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. 44You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. 45But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me. 46Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me? 47He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.”
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What you are trying to make this say, is that Gentiles who trust Christ for salvation "BECOME JEWS".
But this is NOT the point of this text!
May the readers CONSIDER:
https://christianchat.com/threads/i...eheaded-by-the-antichrist.195887/post-4446992 - Post #135
[excerpt of old post]
"But he is a Jew, which IS ONE *inwardly*" is speaking ONLY of Jews (it is not saying that Gentiles who come to faith BECOME "Jews". No.)
One must track with Paul's outline [in ROMANS], here:
--where he has been covering "Gentiles" from 1:8-1:32 (except for vv.19-21 where he covers each);
--a transition section from 2:1-2:16;
--then covering the "Jews" from 2:17-3:20 (where we find our verse under discussion, 2:28-29);
--then finally from 3:21 forward covers the fact that "ALL [Jews and Gentiles alike] have sinned and come short..."
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See also : The Israel of God, the term "Israel" in the New Testament (middletownbiblechurch.org)
[end quoting old post]
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Bottom line: apart from grasping Paul's OUTLINE in Romans, one can come to the INCORRECT CONCLUSION that Paul is talking HERE (2:28-29) about "Gentiles" who come to faith in Christ as [supposedly] "BECOMING JEWS" which is definitely NOT THE CASE, nor the point Paul is making in that Rom2:28-29 text. ("he is a Jew which IS ONE INWARDLY" speaks only of JEWS)
But this is NOT the point of this text!
May the readers CONSIDER:
https://christianchat.com/threads/i...eheaded-by-the-antichrist.195887/post-4446992 - Post #135
[excerpt of old post]
"But he is a Jew, which IS ONE *inwardly*" is speaking ONLY of Jews (it is not saying that Gentiles who come to faith BECOME "Jews". No.)
One must track with Paul's outline [in ROMANS], here:
--where he has been covering "Gentiles" from 1:8-1:32 (except for vv.19-21 where he covers each);
--a transition section from 2:1-2:16;
--then covering the "Jews" from 2:17-3:20 (where we find our verse under discussion, 2:28-29);
--then finally from 3:21 forward covers the fact that "ALL [Jews and Gentiles alike] have sinned and come short..."
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See also : The Israel of God, the term "Israel" in the New Testament (middletownbiblechurch.org)
[end quoting old post]
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Bottom line: apart from grasping Paul's OUTLINE in Romans, one can come to the INCORRECT CONCLUSION that Paul is talking HERE (2:28-29) about "Gentiles" who come to faith in Christ as [supposedly] "BECOMING JEWS" which is definitely NOT THE CASE, nor the point Paul is making in that Rom2:28-29 text. ("he is a Jew which IS ONE INWARDLY" speaks only of JEWS)
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The flesh profits nothing - whether Jew or Gentile.
God sees one Bride of Christ that consists of Jew & Gentile. These BORN AGAIN Children of God are the true Israel of God.
The fleshly Jews on earth will not know there Messiah until His Second Coming - Matt ch23
O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! See! Your house is left to you desolate; for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ”
^ ALSO NOT the point Paul was making in that Rom2:28-29 text
[his conclusion regarding the "ALL" in chpt 3("ALL," Jew and Gentile alike) is at the END of his entire OUTLINE"... but which you've apparently IGNORED of my Post. Oh well.
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Keep spreading that falsehood about what Rom2:28-29 is talking about... (GENTILES supposedly BECOMING JEWS [when they come to faith in Christ]... NOT!!! NOT the point of what Paul is conveying there!!)
[his conclusion regarding the "ALL" in chpt 3("ALL," Jew and Gentile alike) is at the END of his entire OUTLINE"... but which you've apparently IGNORED of my Post. Oh well.
]Keep spreading that falsehood about what Rom2:28-29 is talking about...
(GENTILES supposedly BECOMING JEWS [when they come to faith in Christ]... NOT!!! NOT the point of what Paul is conveying there!!)-
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