Is it LAWFUL to kill animals?

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posthuman

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DanieLL does decidedly lean toward saying God happened upon dead animals and used their skins to clothe Adam and Eve.

That is to say, he rejects the idea that God killed the animal/s, and therefore also rejects
the first foreshadowing of the shedding of Christ's blood for the remission of sin.
Hmm maybe God just happened to find a random dead Jesus, too
 
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Just because they are your possession doesn't mean you can kill them, because your children are also your possession, and that doesn't mean you can kill them. Also, just because the lamb was his possession doesn't make his innocent blood disapear out of his veins, the innocent blood is still there.

If God had favor on Abel's sacrifice, it proves it wasn't a blood sacrifice, because God delights not in the blood of lambs:

Isaiah 1:11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the Lord: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.
It does mean that it is not unlawful to kill the animals, nor is it unlawful to eat them. God found no fault in Abel for his sacrifice of the lamb, in fact God showed him favor.

Well again with Isaiah, Isaiah is pointing out how the people claim and make a show of believing in God but still live in adultery and idolatry, their show of sacrifices and attending church and having solemn assemblies at the new moon and making many prayers are vain because they do not actually have faith in God but are using these things as a license while continuing in adultery and idolatry.

Isaiah 1:18-21
18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

19 If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:

20 But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it.

21 How is the faithful city become an harlot! it was full of judgment; righteousness lodged in it; but now murderers.
 

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No, the killing of animals is unlawful, and not the Will of the Father.

The commandment: "Thou shalt not commit adultery." not only prohibits humans from commiting adultery with humans, but it also prohibits bestiality. So, in like manner, the commandment: " Thou shalt not kill." not only prohibits the killing of humans, but it also prohibits the killing of animals. The commandments are not just talking about humans. That is why both bestiality and the killing of animals are unlawful.

-The killing of an ox is equated to murder, both are abominations:

Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.

1 John 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

Revelation 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

-And food is not an excuse for murder, because the Father gave us the herbs and fruit for food, not animals:

Genesis 1:29 And God said, “See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food.

-There is also the abomination which the Lord hates: shedding the innocent blood of the animals:

Proverbs 6:16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

-The Father doesn't want us killing each other:

Isaiah 65:25The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the Lord.
Rubbish. God commanded animals to be killed. You twist God's word in what you quote, misinterpret it and ignore the many passages that say that eating meat is OK.
 

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I don't know what this thread has morphed into but in regard to the original question: Paul told the Corinthians it was lawful to eat meat. Why would he say that if there was something wrong with killing animals and eating them?
 
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Everything moving on Earth in Genesis 9:3 was given to man for food,the only reason killing an animal could be unlawful is only if it’s done for sacrificing to other gods than Yahweh but again you can see that the whole point of it isn’t about killing an animal,instead the reason for which it is done!If you wish not to kill animals it’s perfectly fine but it’s no where written in the Bible!
 
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One needs to obey license, season, and bag limit regulations.
I used to go night-fishing for salmon. Numerous times as I stared into the dark, retrieving my lure, I'd see a mental image of a salmon grabbing my lure, and then, wham! Fish on! I sensed many times that the Lord liked it when I caught a fish!
One needs to be humane in dealing with animals, you don't want to waste them, and if you take pleasure from killing them, then get help!
Many animals eat other animals.
 
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How does one prove a fish innocent or guilty?
They are all innocent, so you just need to prove them guilty, if you can. That is your problem, I'm the one saying they are innocent, so if you want to say they are guilty, you have to prove they are guilty.
have you read Leviticus?
Have you read Malachi?

Malachi 2:8 But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the LORD of hosts.

Isaiah?

Isaiah 1:11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the Lord: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.

Hosea?

Hosea 6:6 For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.

-I have read Leviticus, you have to chose whom you will serve.
You disagree with Paul
Not me, Father speaks of sin before Cain slew his brother:

Genesis 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

The fact that God acknowledges the existence of sin, proves the existence of the Law:

1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
God's law demanded life for life
Matthew 5:38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.
41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.

43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

Jesus rebuked the "eye for an eye" mentality, He is the Truth, His Law is Perfect, and He has always existed, and is always the same, including in the time of Cain:

Genesis 4:15 And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

Cain, sinned, which alone proves the existence of the Law, was judged, punished, and the Lord demonstrated that the Law was the same, because Jesus confirmed this in His days, to not repay evil with evil, to turn the other cheek.
shedding of Christ's blood for the remission of sin
You haven't learned a thing. It's ok, maybe one day. I do want you to know that you have to reject over a dozen verses that I showed you, in order to make that statement. But here's some more:

Isaiah 1:15 And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.

Isaiah 59:2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.
3 For your hands are defiled with blood, and your fingers with iniquity; your lips have spoken lies, your tongue hath muttered perverseness.

6 Their webs shall not become garments, neither shall they cover themselves with their works: their works are works of iniquity, and the act of violence is in their hands.
7 Their feet run to evil, and they make haste to shed innocent blood: their thoughts are thoughts of iniquity; wasting and destruction are in their paths.
It does mean that it is not unlawful to kill the animals, nor is it unlawful to eat them.
Can you also kill your children? -Because they are also your possession, and according to you because they are your possession it means you can kill them, and they don't have innocent blood, right? Do you have any Scripture to support this, or just your own understanding? -You keep saying what it means, but your witness alone proves nothing. You have to do better than that.
If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:
This verse actually rebukes blood sacrifices, since the condition for forgiveness is "if you be willing and obedient", not if you kill lambs.
Obedience doesn't include blood sacrifices:

Jeremiah 7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:
Paul told the Corinthians it was lawful to eat meat. Why would he say that if there was something wrong with killing animals and eating them?
Genesis 49:27 Benjamin shall ravin as a wolf: in the morning he shall devour the prey, and at night he shall divide the spoil.

Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Romans 1:11 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

1 John 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
John 10:3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.

4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.

John 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
12 But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.

-Chose ye this day whom you will serve:

Revelation 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

Jeremiah 15:2 And when they ask you, ‘Where shall we go?’ you shall say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord: “‘Those who are for pestilence, to pestilence, and those who are for the sword, to the sword; those who are for famine, to famine, and those who are for captivity, to captivity.’

Isaiah 33:1 Ah, you destroyer, who yourself have not been destroyed, you traitor, whom none has betrayed! When you have ceased to destroy, you will be destroyed; and when you have finished betraying, they will betray you.

Matthew 7:12 So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.
Everything moving on Earth in Genesis 9:3 was given to man for food
Do you move on the earth?
it’s no where written in the Bible!
Exodus 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.
 

Magenta

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They are all innocent, so you just need to prove them guilty, if you can. That is your problem, I'm the
one saying they are innocent, so if you want to say they are guilty, you have to prove they are guilty.
I have not said fish are either guilty or innocent.

Where does Scripture proclaim animals innocent?

Are you connected to The Mary T. and Frank L. Hoffman Family Foundation ?
 
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Innocent and guilty are related to law. Animals are not under God's law. You're being absurd. But you are relieving our boredom, so thanks!
 
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Where does Scripture proclaim animals innocent?
God created the animals, so unless you want to say God is responsible for the creation of a wicked guilty animal. You have to admit God created them innocent. So all animals were created innocent, if you want to change that, you must prove them guilty.
 

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God created the animals, so unless you want to say God is responsible for the creation of a wicked guilty animal. You have to admit God created them innocent. So all animals were created innocent, if you want to change that, you must prove them guilty.
I have not said animals are either guilty or innocent.

Where does Scripture proclaim animals innocent?

Chapter and verse, please :)
 
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Where does Scripture proclaim animals innocent?
Genesis 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

"Good" means innocent, not guilty.
 

Magenta

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Genesis 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind,
and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

"Good" means innocent, not guilty.
Man was also seen as good. After woman was made, God pronounced creation very good.

There was no law against murder when Cain killed Abel, but still he was punished for it.

Where are the verses that say animals are innocent?

There are none good but God.

Jesus said so.
 

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-I have read Leviticus, you have to chose whom you will serve.
do you believe Leviticus is the accurate word of God?

not that we are under that law, as Christians - but do you believe Exodus, Numbers, Deuteronomy & Leviticus are correct in what they say, not corrupt texts written recording purely human tradition, but the literal word and commandments of God?
 

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do you believe Leviticus is the accurate word of God?

not that we are under that law, as Christians - but do you believe Exodus, Numbers, Deuteronomy & Leviticus are correct in what they say, not corrupt texts written recording purely human tradition, but the literal word and commandments of God?
He cannot and hold to what he believes at the same time, for they contradict each other.
 

posthuman

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unless you want to say God is responsible
Exodus 12 ((and other places also in the law)) command that a lamb be slaughtered and eaten by every Israeli family member in the observance of Pascha.

do you believe Jesus Christ disobeyed this law?
do you believe this is an abomination and murder commanded by God?
 
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