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You said nothing about the serviceman that gets saved and before he can get baptized ends up getting killed or a death bed confession or someone on the way home from an evangelist revival like Billey Graham used to do. You have not showed me the verse that says water baptism saves a person. As for a baby are you saying that it is not alive in the mother's womb? It is this type of teaching Jesus was talking about when He said the doctrine of men make void the word of God.
no I’m saying that John gave the people knowledge of remission of sins , Jesus later shed his blood and both witness together of the same
you know how the term “born again “ is used ? And your saying “
It’s a reference to then breaking of a woman’s water at birth ? “
that’s what baptism is on a spiritual level born again of water and also spirit
Not of a woman but of the water and spirit God has provided. Jesus is the only one who gives salvstion , baptism for remission of sins is a witness to the belief of this truth
“for this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.”
Matthew 26:28 KJV
belief of this is why anyone gets baptized into christs name it’s an act of faith in the shed blood of Jesus and promises the spirit
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,
and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
Acts 2:38 KJV
it’s an act of faith and holds a promise to those who believe the word of God and what he’s made clear
in case you missed it though you don’t have to agree with me
you know how the term “born again “ is used ? And your saying “
It’s a reference to then breaking of a woman’s water at birth ? “
that’s what baptism is on a spiritual level born again of water and also spirit
Not of a woman but of the water and spirit God has provided. Jesus is the only one who gives salvstion , baptism for remission of sins is a witness to the belief of this truth
“for this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.”
Matthew 26:28 KJV
belief of this is why anyone gets baptized into christs name it’s an act of faith in the shed blood of Jesus and promises the spirit
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,
and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
Acts 2:38 KJV
it’s an act of faith and holds a promise to those who believe the word of God and what he’s made clear
in case you missed it though you don’t have to agree with me
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This is He(Jesus) who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ; not only by water,
but by water and blood = flesh birth of the physical seed and lineage of David
And it is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is truth.
1 John 5:6
This is He(Jesus) who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ; not only by water,
but by water and blood = flesh birth of the physical seed and lineage of David
And it is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is truth.
1 John 5:6
yep water and spirit
“Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, ( water) and praying, the heaven was opened, and the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, ( spirit ) and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.”
Luke 3:21-22
later after this
“The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, Because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; He hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, And recovering of sight to the blind, To set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.”
Luke 4:18-19 KJV
he shed his blood. Water , spirit , blood.
Notice Jesus didn’t start preaching the gospel till his water baptism , receiving the Holy Ghost and then afterwards shed his blood of remission ?
“Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
Mark 1:14-15 KJV
“Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, ( water) and praying, the heaven was opened, and the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, ( spirit ) and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.”
Luke 3:21-22
later after this
“The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, Because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; He hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, And recovering of sight to the blind, To set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.”
Luke 4:18-19 KJV
he shed his blood. Water , spirit , blood.
Notice Jesus didn’t start preaching the gospel till his water baptism , receiving the Holy Ghost and then afterwards shed his blood of remission ?
“Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
Mark 1:14-15 KJV
Here is the most blessed womb(water) to ever give birth to a child.
Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God.
And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son, and shall call His name Jesus. He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David. And He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of His kingdom there will be no end.”
"This is He who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ; not only by water, but by water and blood."
1 John 5:6
When Mary's water broke = out came water and blood and a Son = the only begotten Son of God.
and His blood-line was of the lineage of David.
Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God.
And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son, and shall call His name Jesus. He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David. And He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of His kingdom there will be no end.”
"This is He who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ; not only by water, but by water and blood."
1 John 5:6
When Mary's water broke = out came water and blood and a Son = the only begotten Son of God.
and His blood-line was of the lineage of David.
does this water of the womb they are born from Witness remission of sins ? Or does this water witness remission of sins ?
“John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.”
Mark 1:4 KJV
and does that water agree with the witness of Jesus blood ?
“for this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.”
Matthew 26:28 KJV
And also agree to the spirit spoken through Christ that says the same regarding remission of sins ?
“And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.”
1 John 5:8 KJV
the idea is rebirth isn’t it ? If being born of a emans womb witnessed remission of sins it might be different. Bit rather than that eater of natural birth which guarantees entrance into sin bekng the flesh which counts for nothing
it seems the Bible is talking about the water of a new birth through faith that agree to remission of sins by his blood and spirit.
“born again “ by water , blood and spirit all three agreeing that our sins are remitted through Jesus Christ and the shedding of his blood , why do we need agreement of the witnesses regarding remission of our sins ?
“John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.”
Mark 1:4 KJV
and does that water agree with the witness of Jesus blood ?
“for this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.”
Matthew 26:28 KJV
And also agree to the spirit spoken through Christ that says the same regarding remission of sins ?
“And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.”
1 John 5:8 KJV
the idea is rebirth isn’t it ? If being born of a emans womb witnessed remission of sins it might be different. Bit rather than that eater of natural birth which guarantees entrance into sin bekng the flesh which counts for nothing
it seems the Bible is talking about the water of a new birth through faith that agree to remission of sins by his blood and spirit.
“born again “ by water , blood and spirit all three agreeing that our sins are remitted through Jesus Christ and the shedding of his blood , why do we need agreement of the witnesses regarding remission of our sins ?
This is He who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ; not only by water, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is truth. For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness on earth: the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree as one.
1 John 5:6-8
1 John 5:6-8
“these three agree”
what do they agree upon ?
the water
“John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.”
Mark 1:4 KJV
The blood
“for this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.”
Matthew 26:28 KJV
the spirit that bears witness ( actually speaks )
“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
John 6:63 KJV
“And he said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven.”
Luke 7:48
“And when he saw their faith, he said unto him, Man, thy sins are forgiven thee.”
Luke 5:20 KJV
“I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake.”
1 John 2:12 KJV
the water of baptism is a witness of remission of sins , the blood is a witness of remission of sins , and the spirit bears this testimony through christs word.
sort of my point the man asks “ how can one be born a second time ?
your point “ people are born as babies from water “ they also when born the forst time have a corrupt spirit of man and a body that is Sustained by adams blood .
that’s how we are naturally born .
my point “ how can they be born again a second time ?
The water God offered , the blood God offered , the spirit God offered.
what do they agree upon ?
the water
“John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.”
Mark 1:4 KJV
The blood
“for this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.”
Matthew 26:28 KJV
the spirit that bears witness ( actually speaks )
“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
John 6:63 KJV
“And he said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven.”
Luke 7:48
“And when he saw their faith, he said unto him, Man, thy sins are forgiven thee.”
Luke 5:20 KJV
“I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake.”
1 John 2:12 KJV
the water of baptism is a witness of remission of sins , the blood is a witness of remission of sins , and the spirit bears this testimony through christs word.
sort of my point the man asks “ how can one be born a second time ?
your point “ people are born as babies from water “ they also when born the forst time have a corrupt spirit of man and a body that is Sustained by adams blood .
that’s how we are naturally born .
my point “ how can they be born again a second time ?
The water God offered , the blood God offered , the spirit God offered.
Repent first and foremost then when you feal led to get baptized. You should get baptized it is an outward public confession to what Jesus has done for you. The verse does not say be baptized for the forgiveness of sin and then repent. What happens if someone never had a chance to get baptized but asked Jesus to forgive them and they sincerely mean it with a whole heart? Will Jesus say I am sorry I know you because you never got baptized; so sorry. What about the 10 virgins that were waiting for the bride groom (Jesus) and 5 ran out of oil (understanding) and had to leave and when they came back it was to late door closed to late.
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