Why did God create existence in the order he did?

[GaryA]

The only humans created in Genesis 1 are Adam and Eve.

The idea of 'incest' was not a "problem" at the beginning like it is today; rather, it was a necessity for the "starting up" of the human population. And, remember, they lived a really long time...

 

[iamsoandso]

I have been thinking about this for quite some time now. This would also help to explain why the evidence of "men" is found that is older than our "Biblical" world indicates.
When God created male and female, on the sixth day, He told them to be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth... to have dominion over all the animals, etc.... and that all happened on the sixth day.
I am coming to believe that chapter two begins the story of the family of Adam. "Mankind" already existed on the earth, perhaps for thousands of years? Then God began the family of Adam.... intending that they live in the land of Eden, in the garden..... until they messed up.
So, when Cain was banished, he said he would have to be a vagrant and a wanderer, and "whoever finds me will kill me"..... who would have been out there to find him and kill him?
One fly in the ointment of this theory is the verse that says Adam called his wife Eve, because she was the mother of all living.... but that could be that Adam didn't know there were other "mankind" out in the world.... so Eve would have been the mother of all of the family of Adam...

Also, why was it important to trace Jesus' lineage all the way back to Adam? (the first son of God) Why not just back to David?

Interesting stuff, and it would fill a lot of gaps in the evolution/creation argument.

Not "Mankind"(descendants of Adam) though,,, "Men of old" Genesis 6:4 https://biblehub.com/interlinear/genesis/6.htm a completely separate creature. Adam was the first created in the image of God which is why it begins at his toledoth https://biblehub.com/hebrew/8435.htm there's the generations(toledoth) of the "heavens and the earth" (and) then there's the toledoth(generations) of Adam. The generations of Adam takes place across 120 jubilees.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Not "Mankind"(descendants of Adam) though,,, "Men of old" Genesis 6:4 https://biblehub.com/interlinear/genesis/6.htm a completely separate creature. Adam was the first created in the image of God which is why it begins at his toledoth https://biblehub.com/hebrew/8435.htm there's the generations(toledoth) of the "heavens and the earth" (and) then there's the toledoth(generations) of Adam. The generations of Adam takes place across 120 jubilees.

I agree, but it should be 123 jubilees instead. In Matthew 1, those 41 generations between Jesus represent 41 jubilee cycles, and the Church, as the generation of Jesus also lasts 41 jubilees. We're in the very last one. Think about the "birth pang" analogy. The conception of Jesus took about 41 weeks from Hanukkah (Kislev 25) to Tabernacle (Tishri 10), those are 41 gestation weeks. The three phases (Abraham to David, David to Babylon Captivity, Babylon Captivity to Christ) symbolize three trimesters. That's the secret in Matthew's genealogy of Jesus.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

In Matthew 1, those 41 generations between Jesus represent 41 jubilee cycles,

Between Jesus and Abraham, sorry. 42 generations in total, 41 intervals in between.

 

[iamsoandso]

I agree, but it should be 123 jubilees instead. In Matthew 1, those 41 generations between Jesus represent 41 jubilee cycles, and the Church, as the generation of Jesus also lasts 41 jubilees. We're in the very last one. Think about the "birth pang" analogy. The conception of Jesus took about 41 weeks from Hanukkah (Kislev 25) to Tabernacle (Tishri 10), those are 41 gestation weeks. The three phases (Abraham to David, David to Babylon Captivity, Babylon Captivity to Christ) symbolize three trimesters. That's the secret in Matthew's genealogy of Jesus.

A day is as a thousand years... 120x49 jubilee years = 6000 years + the millennial = 7000 years(Gen 2:4) the creation story is a prophecy... then after the thousand years the Devil is loosed a little season... In the day ye eat thereof ye shall surly die, Adam died at 930 in the first day(1000 years)... This generation(toledoth Adam/man) shall not pass till all be fulfilled... https://biblehub.com/interlinear/genesis/2-4.htm

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

A day is as a thousand years... 120x49 jubilee years = 6000 years + the millennial = 7000 years(Gen 2:4) the creation story is a prophecy... then after the thousand years the Devil is loosed a little season... In the day ye eat thereof ye shall surly die, Adam died at 930 in the first day(1000 years)... This generation(toledoth Adam/man) shall not pass till all be fulfilled... https://biblehub.com/interlinear/genesis/2-4.htm

The definition of a year is unclear, though. If you use lunar year of 354.36 days, then a jubilee cycle would be 17718 days, equal to 48.5 solar years of 365.25 days. That 0.5 year is six month plus ten days, which is exactly when a jubilee year starts - the day of atonement. And then you have the prophetic year of 360 day; and then if you wanna fit 41 cycles into exactly 2000 years, a year would be about 363.6 days.

 

[iamsoandso]

The definition of a year is unclear, though. If you use lunar year of 354.36 days, then a jubilee cycle would be 17718 days, equal to 48.5 solar years of 365.25 days. That 0.5 year is six month plus ten days, which is exactly when a jubilee year starts - the day of atonement. And then you have the prophetic year of 360 day; and then if you wanna fit 41 cycles into exactly 2000 years, a year would be about 363.6 days.

If the grain is over ripe or under ripe it will not be received(first fruit/no spot nor blemish) so from time to time one will add an month or remove an month. Hmm where are the sons of Issachar?

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

If the grain is over ripe or under ripe it will not be received(first fruit/no spot nor blemish) so from time to time one will add an month or remove an month. Hmm where are the sons of Issachar?

Yeah, maybe some adjustment was made in the shemitah, aka, sabbath year. It was observed during the judges period, but totally disregarded during the kings period.

 

[Goliath]

I have been thinking about this for quite some time now. This would also help to explain why the evidence of "men" is found that is older than our "Biblical" world indicates.
When God created male and female, on the sixth day, He told them to be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth... to have dominion over all the animals, etc.... and that all happened on the sixth day.
I am coming to believe that chapter two begins the story of the family of Adam. "Mankind" already existed on the earth, perhaps for thousands of years? Then God began the family of Adam.... intending that they live in the land of Eden, in the garden..... until they messed up.
So, when Cain was banished, he said he would have to be a vagrant and a wanderer, and "whoever finds me will kill me"..... who would have been out there to find him and kill him?
One fly in the ointment of this theory is the verse that says Adam called his wife Eve, because she was the mother of all living.... but that could be that Adam didn't know there were other "mankind" out in the world.... so Eve would have been the mother of all of the family of Adam...

Also, why was it important to trace Jesus' lineage all the way back to Adam? (the first son of God) Why not just back to David?
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Exactly...and you make some excellent points.
If people had not been given the creation story we all know, they would have read Genesis one and two as two stories of creation. One of the creation of the universe..the other the creation of the Garden in Eden and those who came from the Man..Adam..God placed in the Garden of Eden. We all know that Adam was called the first Son of God, so his Sons would also be Sons of God. With this knowledge (Genesis 6:4) can be read as it was meant to be read. Adams Sons...AKA..the Sons of God took wives from the Sons of Man created in Genesis one.
There were giants on the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men and they bore children to them, the same became mighty men who were of old, men of renown. (Genesis 6:4)

Ahh.....But how do we explain the Giants?
Those animals Noah put on the Ark, they were the ones God created in the Garden of Eden. Those Animals God created in Genesis one...were the Giants...What we call today...the dinosaur!!
This is why they do not exist today, they were not put on the Ark...So they all perished in the flood.
In other words...these Giants were here before the flood, but not after the flood.
So why are they mentioned?
Since they didn't have a dating system, the writer simply uses the Giants as a reference of the time, the time when all this took place. Much like we say to those in future generation...the Great Chicago fire happened in 1871.
Simply put...The time of the Flood was a time when the Dinosaurs (Giants) walked on the Earth.
and also after that...refers to those Giants who were put on the Ark..like Elephants and Giraffes.
The Giants existence, which lived before and after the flood, creates a Time Frame.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Exactly...and you make some excellent points.
If people had not been given the creation story we all know, they would have read Genesis one and two as two stories of creation. One of the creation of the universe..the other the creation of the Garden in Eden and those who came from the Man..Adam..God placed in the Garden of Eden. We all know that Adam was called the first Son of God, so his Sons would also be Sons of God. With this knowledge (Genesis 6:4) can be read as it was meant to be read. Adams Sons...AKA..the Sons of God took wives from the Sons of Man created in Genesis one.
There were giants on the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men and they bore children to them, the same became mighty men who were of old, men of renown. (Genesis 6:4)

Ahh.....But how do we explain the Giants?
Those animals Noah put on the Ark, they were the ones God created in the Garden of Eden. Those Animals God created in Genesis one...were the Giants...What we call today...the dinosaur!!
This is why they do not exist today, they were not put on the Ark...So they all perished in the flood.
In other words...these Giants were here before the flood, but not after the flood.
So why are they mentioned?
Since they didn't have a dating system, the writer simply uses the Giants as a reference of the time, the time when all this took place. Much like we say to those in future generation...the Great Chicago fire happened in 1871.
Simply put...The time of the Flood was a time when the Dinosaurs (Giants) walked on the Earth.
and also after that...refers to those Giants who were put on the Ark..like Elephants and Giraffes.
The Giants existence, which lived before and after the flood, creates a Time Frame.

No, those giants were ten foot tall humanoids, the same giants in the land of Canaan. They might be accredited for a lot of "ancient technologies". Those were like demigods that humans worshipped, and they were the main reason for the flood and the supposed genecides in the land of Canaan.

 

[Goliath]

How does it explain where Cain's wife came from? Just curious. Many say Cain met and married her there as if she came from Nod, but the text does not say that, while it does say that Cain built a city there and named it after his son who was conceived there. It seems just as plausible - or even more so - to me that they were already married, and went there together. But either are assumptions

For me, there is only one plausible explanation to where Cains wife came from...That is, there must have been other people living during those days. Any other explanation is implausible, because if what I say is not true...that would mean we all came from the same bloodline. Ask a geneticist what we would look like if this were the case. We would have been so deformed, I don't believe we could have survived more than a generation or two. That fact alone should be more than enough proof that the creation story we all believed to be the truth...is nothing more than fiction.

 

[Goliath]

No, those giants were ten foot tall humanoids, the same giants in the land of Canaan. They might be accredited for a lot of "ancient technologies". Those were like demigods that humans worshipped, and they were the main reason for the flood and the supposed genecides in the land of Canaan.

You may want to read the whole story about the Giants in the Land of Canaan. If you do..you will discover it was a total fabrication, which men the men who told this lie..paid with their lives.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

You may want to read the whole story about the Giants in the Land of Canaan. If you do..you will discover it was a total fabrication, which men the men who told this lie..paid with their lives.

You may wanna rethink about your denial.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

For me, there is only one plausible explanation to where Cains wife came from...That is, there must have been other people living during those days. Any other explanation is implausible, because if what I say is not true...that would mean we all came from the same bloodline. Ask a geneticist what we would look like if this were the case. We would have been so deformed, I don't believe we could have survived more than a generation or two. That fact alone should be more than enough proof that the creation story we all believed to be the truth...is nothing more than fiction.

Or another explanation that your narrow mind couldn't contain it and let go of your obsession over this one issue. Incest caused genetic defects only because those fallen angels corrupted human genome. In the pre-flood world, everything was different. "In the beginning it was not so." - Matthew 19:8

 

[hornetguy]

It's critically important because Jesus is the SECOND and last Adam. The word was God and with God in the beginning, but the man wasn't. Adam as the first man was the prototype of Jesus, he was made in the image of God and sinless at first - until he failed the test. The entire bible was about God's salvation for mankind. The last three chapters of Revelation are actually about the undoing of sin's curse upon Adam and the restoration of Eden.

Yes, and I think it also is done to prove that Jesus DID come directly from Adam.... and if that is necessary, WHY? Who else could he have been descended FROM? This makes me think that there were other "men" already out in the world when Adam was created to be placed in the garden. These were the men/women that were created on the 6th day.
Jesus COULD have been descended from one of those lineages, which would have meant he was not a "son of God"... he was just part of mankind. It was important to show that he was, indeed, descended from the first son of God.... Adam.

 

[hornetguy]

sorry, but you guys lost me at "jubilees".... I am not a student of Judaica, and I don't believe in discussing minutiae, jots and tittles, and how many angels could dance on the head of a pin.
I think much of what we need to know gets lost in "details".... I'm more of a K.I.S.S. kind of guy...

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

sorry, but you guys lost me at "jubilees".... I am not a student of Judaica, and I don't believe in discussing minutiae, jots and tittles, and how many angels could dance on the head of a pin.
I think much of what we need to know gets lost in "details".... I'm more of a K.I.S.S. kind of guy...

It's not rocket science, just go read Leviticus 25. In summary, the 49-year "Jubilee cycle" is God's "great reset" of the economic system, also his unique way to synchronize the lunar cycle and the solar cycle. As I explained, a lunar year is 354.36 days, a solar year is 365.25 days, and there were two sets of calendars for lunar and solar years with half a year apart, and the solution to synchronize those two was by jubilee cycle - 17718 days, equal to 50 lunar years and 48.5 solar years.

 

[hornetguy]

It's not rocket science, just go read Leviticus 25. In summary, the 49-year "Jubilee cycle" is God's "great reset" of the economic system, also his unique way to synchronize the lunar cycle and the solar cycle. As I explained, a lunar year is 354.36 days, a solar year is 365.25 days, and there were two sets of calendars for lunar and solar years with half a year apart, and the solution to synchronize those two was by jubilee cycle - 17718 days, equal to 50 lunar years and 48.5 solar years.

Ok... thank you for the explanation.
I simply cannot see why that would be important to me in my understanding God's word.

 

[Magenta]

For me, there is only one plausible explanation to where Cains wife came from...That is, there must have been other people living during those days. Any other explanation is implausible, because if what I say is not true...that would mean we all came from the same bloodline. Ask a geneticist what we would look like if this were the case. We would have been so deformed, I don't believe we could have survived more than a generation or two. That fact alone should be more than enough proof that the creation story we all believed to be the truth...is nothing more than fiction.

Other people living at that time could have come from the same bloodline, since 1. Eve is called the mother of all living, and 2. we do not know how many years had elapsed since everything began, and in even just a couple of hundred years, with people living to around 900 years of age, there could have been several hundreds of thousand people by then. Cain building a city in his lifetime is testament to rapid population growth. Even if he did select a woman from Nod, they could have easily been related to him also given that people would have moved away as the population grew, naturally forcing expansion into new territory in order to provide resources for the growing needs of the people. There were no laws against intermarriage among close relatives, and genetic mutations were so much not a problem that God encouraged marriage between family members (Genesis 17:9; Genesis 28:10-15). Cain could have married a niece or great niece with no genetic mutations because the human genome had not yet been corrupted, and geneticists agree that the human genome devolves or degrades as it accumulates irreversible genetic errors over time. God’s law concerning incest was not instituted until the Law of Moses came into effect. You finding only one plausible explanation is testament to your need to look further.

 

[Goliath]

Incest caused genetic defects only because those fallen angels corrupted human genome. In the pre-flood world, everything was different. "In the beginning it was not so." - Matthew 19:8[/QUOTE]

That is one, very good, explanation....if it is true. And BTW...you're right about evolution, straight up foolishness. Creation...must have a creator. And....no need for insults, that just makes you look small, and brother...that's truly not my objective. My objective is to get folks to see the story in it's proper light.

Take a close look at these Giants, which were here before and after the flood. Now if they were here, after the flood, Can you tell me how they survived the flood? I mean they were clearly not animals, and the only people on the Ark were Noahs family.
Do you believe Noah a Giant?