WHO ARE DENIED HEAVEN-ENTRY?

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Sudakar said:
Is there forgiveness without confessing the sin of violating God's command in Genesis 2 :17 choosing the forbidden knowledge of good & evil?
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God's ways are eternal, the same in Genesis through Revelation. The only change God ever made was to communicate with man through fleshly commands, and then improve that to communicate through the holy spirit.
 
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God's ways are eternal, the same in Genesis through Revelation. The only change God ever made was to communicate with man through fleshly commands, and then improve that to communicate through the holy spirit.
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So in your spirit have you confessed the sin of violating God's command in Genesis 2 :17 choosing the forbidden knowledge of good & evil?
 
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3 For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
II Timothy 4:3-4

You exemplify the need for sound doctrine. You have believed things that are not true and worse, you attempt to teach others those false doctrines. People should be aware of your false doctrine; pray for you, but not accept your false teachings.
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Where does Bible say all babies don't believe in Jesus & also have the forbidden knowledge of good & evil?

Show me one verse!
 
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Avery said:
Yes it does say that but you seem to prefer your private interpretation.



Babies need their diapers changed.



That is not what Genesis teaches us. It seems you prefer your own interpretation.



This has been covered by several people and you are just as wrong now as you were the first time.
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Knowledge of good & evil coming through the moral law is taught by God not in Genesis but in Romans.

Simply because it has been covered by several people doesn't prove my position is wrong. Not a single verse was showed to disprove my position.
 
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Runningman said:
Yes, being "like" a little one in English is a literary device called simile. It is used to compare something to something else, but it isn't literal and it doesn't mean that all children believe in Jesus.
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Mark10:14:"Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God". If it wasn't literal, Jesus would not have forbidden them to permit them to come to Him.

If all babies don't believe in Jesus, do you say they end up in hell? Are you blaming God for creating babies without faith in Jesus & leading them to hell without they being given the responsibility? Further, you have not stated the criteria for "these little ones which believe in Me" to exclude other babies.

So avoid begging the question.
 
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So human babies are not born into a sinful nature?
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Adam and Eve being unclothed in God's most holy presence is also sinful when seen through the forbidden knowledge of good & evil.

You are confusing between actions & moral knowledge. Babies have evil actions but not the moral knowledge to produce guilt & separate them from God.
 
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Sudakar said:
Mark10:14:"Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God". If it wasn't literal, Jesus would not have forbidden them to permit them to come to Him.

If all babies don't believe in Jesus, do you say they end up in hell? Are you blaming God for creating babies without faith in Jesus & leading them to hell without they being given the responsibility? Further, you have not stated the criteria for "these little ones which believe in Me" to exclude other babies.

So avoid begging the question.
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Wow. I said nothing of the sort or even remotely suggested it. I gave you an English lesson. I'm afraid you are very confused and I can't help you.
 
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Wow. I said nothing of the sort or even remotely suggested it. I gave you an English lesson. I'm afraid you are very confused and I can't help you.
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You can't teach an English lesson without first understanding what Jesus meant when He included all babies when He exhorted us to become like little children. I can understand you are confused because you are unable to show a single verse which says babies don't believe in Jesus.
 
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My understanding is that Jesus was telling His disciples that those wishing to enter the Kingdom of God must come as little children, not as haughty pious arrogants that “know everything”.

Hope that makes sense.
 
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Sudakar said:
So in your spirit have you confessed the sin of violating God's command in Genesis 2 :17 choosing the forbidden knowledge of good & evil?
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What scripture tells us that it is forbidden for us to have knowledge of good and evil? Scripture tells is we may not eat of it, and that is very different from know the law.
 
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Blik said:
What scripture tells us that it is forbidden for us to have knowledge of good and evil? Scripture tells is we may not eat of it, and that is very different from know the law.
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Genesis 3:11: "And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?"

God says the knowledge of good and evil (kge) which they had chosen told them they were guilty for staying unclothed in God's most holy presence. Thus God says kge was forbidden.
 
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My understanding is that Jesus was telling His disciples that those wishing to enter the Kingdom of God must come as little children, not as haughty pious arrogants that “know everything”.

Hope that makes sense.
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Jesus said little children believe in Him & do not have the forbidden knowledge of good and evil.
 
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Runningman said:
Wow. I said nothing of the sort or even remotely suggested it. I gave you an English lesson. I'm afraid you are very confused and I can't help you.
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What is needed is scriptural context where Jesus says all babies do believe in Him.
 
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Sudakar said:
Genesis 3:11: "And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?"

God says the knowledge of good and evil (kge) which they had chosen told them they were guilty for staying unclothed in God's most holy presence. Thus God says kge was forbidden.
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Galatians 3:11 speaks of 'EATEN" of the tree. it does not mention knowledge of evil.
 
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Mem said:
WHO ARE DENIED HEAVEN-ENTRY?

Those that come without their wedding garments
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Sin Is not Imputed where there Is no law.IMO that would be talking about a person's conscience knowing or not knowing the truth and babies would not be sinning If they didn't know they were sinning so then In a way this would mean they have on their wedding garments so to speak.☺️
 
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Sudakar said:
1John3:20: "For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things".

The moment Adam and Eve chose the forbidden knowledge of good and evil, their heart started to condemn them & they fled from God.

Similarly, won't all humans who were also born without the knowledge of good and evil & have chosen it as they grew up, be condemned by their heart & lose heaven-entry unless they repent?
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No one can answer this we don't know the heart. Jesus did say if He had not come and spoken then they would have no sin. He also said if you were blind you would have no sin you say you see your sin remains. So for me the ones that (for give me Father) get judged and cast out are the ones that know that they know that they know Yeshua/Jesus Christ came in the flesh.. they knew He was the only way..they knew if they said no they will not live forever. Its hard to grasp that but there really are people that do not want to be with God for them that would be hell. Since we know the number of those from every tribe and nation no one can count.. Praise GOD!
 
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Blade said:
No one can answer this we don't know the heart. Jesus did say if He had not come and spoken then they would have no sin. He also said if you were blind you would have no sin you say you see your sin remains. So for me the ones that (for give me Father) get judged and cast out are the ones that know that they know that they know Yeshua/Jesus Christ came in the flesh.. they knew He was the only way..they knew if they said no they will not live forever. Its hard to grasp that but there really are people that do not want to be with God for them that would be hell. Since we know the number of those from every tribe and nation no one can count.. Praise GOD!
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Genesis 2 17: "But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die".

It's clear. We all know.
 
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Blik said:
Galatians 3:11 speaks of 'EATEN" of the tree. it does not mention knowledge of evil.
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Genesis 3:11: "And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?"

"Fruit" refers to the knowledge of good & evil. Does a fruit tell you, you are morally guilty?
 
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