DOES THE HOLY SPIRIT INSTRUCT US TO BE CLOTHED IN PUBLIC?

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Duckybill said:
No "moral law" in the Bible.
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not that the law is amoral - but there is no division in the law of the Mosaic covenant.
it is one law; breaking the least of it, any part of it, makes one guilty of all of it.

dividing the law into 'moral' and 'civil' and 'ceremonial' parts is a purely human invention.
 
Sudakar said:
So why did God create humans without clothing?
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previously discussed;
they were unashamed.

sin did not enter the world until Adam ate of the tree ((Romans 5:12))
when they had sin & therefore shame, they were afraid, and knew it must be covered.
c.f.e. Exodus 20:26 -- an altar must not have steps, or the nakedness of the people will be exposed when they go up.
i.e. their shame will be exposed.
God directly links nakedness/clothing with having shame / being unashamed in Genesis 2:25, 3:7

in Hebrew the word 'atonement' is the word to cover, to make propitiation. Kaphar.
fig leaves cannot make atonement ((exactly what did Cain offer, and why?))
- but the LORD took the pelt of an innocent living soul and made garments for them,
covering them, with the shedding of blood ((exactly why did Abel offer a lamb?))

why did Adam & his wife make tunics of fig leaves?
did they think omniscient God would not see them?
or is this equivalent to putting on sackcloth ((e.g. Genesis 37:34))?

nakedness is also associated with being unhidden:
and all things are naked & exposed before God ((Hebrews 4:13))
is Adam stupid? does he really think he can hide anything from God?
if not then why do they do this?
 
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Sudakar said:
So why does God create babies without clothing & without the knowledge of good and evil?
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How do you know they do not have the knowledge of good and evil? And, exactly who is in the womb to put the clothes together and where will they get electricity, sewing machine and materials? Any other dumb questions?
 
Sudakar said:
Do you mean to say God created them without 'His covering' before He covered them with skins?
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I think the lady is speaking of a covering of protection from anything outside the garden, not clothes. There are bible teachers who make that speculation. We are told in the book of Job that God put such a covering on Job. There it was called a Hedge.
 
Sudakar said:
You mean they wouldn't multiply into millions? Would they stay as a couple without offsprings?
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What is the most your imediate family has a child each year? Every 9 months? I was not there, so I have no idea the rate of reproduction. So, that is not my problem to slove.
 
Sudakar said:
If God created Adam and Eve naked (without moral guilt), why are you clothed? Are you clothing yourself to cover moral guilt?
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Winter is cold, freezing and clothes are cheaper protection and reuseable then gas.
Also, clothes protect from sun burn in the summer.
Any more dumb questions?
 
Sudakar said:
You haven't yet replied to:
You are nervous to show the criteria Jesus stated to exclude all babies from "these little ones"!

Moreover you have never shown one proof of a single baby without faith in Jesus!

Secondly, Mathew 18:6 is the evidence for babies believing in Jesus.

Thirdly, be cool & reply where do dying babies go? You cannot evade!
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Matthew 18:6
King James Version
6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

The text does not say all little ones believe in Jesus.
 
Sudakar said:
1) In Gen2, she only had a common name 'woman'.

2) Clothing with skins is not salvation. It is a prophecy of Jesus coming 4000 years later to die & save them from the kge. Don't confuse between a prophecy & salvation.

3) If Adam was 'as God' earlier, why would God say 'Behold, the man is become as one of us'. Why should Adam 'BECOME AS GOD'?

You are already in your ideological grave! 😂🤣😂!
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PASSAGE
INTRO
STUDY
NOTES
Genesis 2:4-3:15
Easy-to-Read Version
The First Man and the Garden of Eden
4 This is the story about the creation of the sky and the earth. This is what happened when the Lord God made the earth and the sky. 5 This was before there were plants on the earth. Nothing was growing in the fields because the Lord God had not yet made it rain on the earth, and there was no one to care for the plants.

6 So water[a] came up from the earth and spread over the ground. 7 Then the Lord God took dust from the ground and made a man. He breathed the breath of life into the man’s nose, and the man became a living thing. 8 Then the Lord God planted a garden in the East,[c] in a place named Eden. He put the man he made in that garden. 9 Then the Lord God caused all the beautiful trees that were good for food to grow in the garden. In the middle of the garden, he put the tree of life and the tree that gives knowledge about good and evil.

10 A river flowed from Eden and watered the garden. The river then separated and became four smaller rivers. 11 The name of the first river was Pishon. This river flowed around the entire country of Havilah.[d] 12 (There is gold in that country, and that gold is pure. A kind of expensive perfume and onyx are also found there.) 13 The name of the second river was Gihon. This river flowed around the whole land of Cush.[e] 14 The name of the third river was Tigris. This river flowed east of Assyria. The fourth river was the Euphrates.

15 The Lord God put the man in the Garden of Eden to work the soil and take care of the garden. 16 The Lord God gave him this command: “You may eat from any tree in the garden. 17 But you must not eat from the tree that gives knowledge about good and evil. If you eat fruit from that tree, on that day you will certainly die!”

A Companion for Adam
18 Then the Lord God said, “I see that it is not good for the man to be alone. I will make the companion he needs, one just right for him.”

19 The Lord God used dust from the ground and made every animal in the fields and every bird in the air. He brought all these animals to the man, and the man gave them all a name. 20 The man gave names to all the tame animals, to all the birds in the air, and to all the wild animals. He saw many animals and birds, but he could not find a companion that was right for him. 21 So the Lord God caused the man to sleep very deeply. While he was asleep, God took one of the ribs from the man’s body. Then he closed the man’s skin where the rib had been. 22 The Lord God used the rib from the man to make a woman. Then he brought the woman to the man. 23 And the man said,

“Finally! One like me,
with bones from my bones
and a body from my body.
She was taken out of a man,
so I will call her ‘woman.’”

24 That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife. In this way two people become one.

25 The man and his wife were naked, but they were not ashamed.

The Beginning of Sin
3 The snake was the most clever of all the wild animals that the Lord God had made. The snake spoke to the woman and said, “Woman, did God really tell you that you must not eat from any tree in the garden?”

2 The woman answered the snake, “No, we can eat fruit from the trees in the garden. 3 But there is one tree we must not eat from. God told us, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden. You must not even touch that tree, or you will die.’”

4 But the snake said to the woman, “You will not die. 5 God knows that if you eat the fruit from that tree you will learn about good and evil, and then you will be like God!”

6 The woman could see that the tree was beautiful and the fruit looked so good to eat. She also liked the idea that it would make her wise. So she took some of the fruit from the tree and ate it. Her husband was there with her, so she gave him some of the fruit, and he ate it.

7 Then it was as if their eyes opened, and they saw things differently. They saw that they were naked. So they got some fig leaves, sewed them together, and wore them for clothes.

8 During the cool part of the day, the Lord God was walking in the garden. The man and the woman heard him, and they hid among the trees in the garden. 9 The Lord God called to the man and said, “Where are you?”

10 The man said, “I heard you walking in the garden, and I was afraid. I was naked, so I hid.”

11 God said to the man, “Who told you that you were naked? Did you eat fruit from that special tree? I told you not to eat from that tree!”

12 The man said, “The woman you put here with me gave me fruit from that tree. So I ate it.”

13 Then the Lord God said to the woman, “What have you done?”

She said, “The snake tricked me, so I ate the fruit.”

14 So the Lord God said to the snake,

“You did this very bad thing,
so bad things will happen to you.
It will be worse for you
than for any other animal.
You must crawl on your belly
and eat dust all the days of your life.
15 I will make you and the woman enemies to each other.
Your children and her children will be enemies.
You will bite her child’s foot,
but he will crush your head.”
 
Sudakar said:
You think you are capable. I think Christ is capable in me.

But yet you haven't quoted a single verse to prove your theory babies are born without faith in Jesus & with the knowledge of good and evil!

You seem to think God made a mistake by creating babies without faith in Jesus!
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You have not proved that all babies believe in Jesus by faith.
Now if you want to ask where do babies go when they die, start a thread on that.
 
Sudakar said:
If there is no moral law in the Bible, why are you obsessed with clothing? Are you justified before God by your goodworks or by faith in Christ's goodworks?
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Ephesians 2:8-10
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8 I mean that you have been saved by grace because you believed. You did not save yourselves; it was a gift from God. 9 You are not saved by the things you have done, so there is nothing to boast about. 10 God has made us what we are. In Christ Jesus, God made us new people so that we would spend our lives doing the good things he had already planned for us to do.

Also, wearing clothes is choice for protection and modesty.
 
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