Reconciling Matthew 24 and Revelation 6

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JeffA

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I do believe that, as the Body of Christ, we should be focused on “preparation” more than “evangelizing” in this day and age. We are rapidly approaching the “Day of the Lord”.

I am going to lay out my understanding of these scriptures and invite commentary to the effect of edification or correction. My faith is in Christ alone so it will not offend me if I am shown to misunderstand the scriptures. It can only increase my knowledge and understanding.

This topic, specifically is Matthew 24:3-14 and Revelation 6:1-11

Mat 24:4 Jesus' warns against being deceived.

5 Many will come “in Jesus' Name”, saying that Jesus is the Christ. Deceiving many. (paraphrased)

I understand that this passage can include the notion that there will be “false Christs”, too.
That may well be, but, it CERTAINLY refers to deception WITHIN the Church.

Jesus said “IN MY NAME” (refers to himself) and saying “I AM the CHRIST” (again referring to himself). There are no quotes”” in scripture. He could have said conclusively that people would claim to be the Christ. The passage would read more like “saying that THEY are the Christ”.

Rev 6:1-2 The Lamb opens the first seal, the White horse goes forth to conquer (overcome). The rider is given a Bow and a victor's crown.

There are 2 “Main” schools of thought on this.
  1. The White Horse is the Antichrist.
  2. The White Horse is Jesus.
Neither of these are true. We can look to Zechariah for an explanation of the Horses:

Zech 1:7-10
7 Upon the four and twentieth day of the eleventh month, which is the month Sebat, in the second year of Darius, came the word of the Lord unto Zechariah, the son of Berechiah, the son of Iddo the prophet, saying,
8 I saw by night, and behold a man riding upon a red horse, and he stood among the myrtle trees that were in the bottom; and behind him were there red horses, speckled, and white.
9 Then said I, O my lord, what are these? And the angel that talked with me said unto me, I will shew thee what these be.
10And the man that stood among the myrtle trees answered and said, These are they whom the Lord hath sent to walk to and fro through the earth.

And Zech 6:1-5
1 And I turned, and lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came four chariots out from between two mountains; and the mountains were mountains of brass.
2 In the first chariot were red horses; and in the second chariot black horses;
3 And in the third chariot white horses; and in the fourth chariot grisled and bay horses.
4 Then I answered and said unto the angel that talked with me, What are these, my lord?
5 And the angel answered and said unto me, These are the four spirits of the heavens, which go forth from standing before the Lord of all the earth.

So, I understand the “Horses” to be those spirits sent forth for God's purposes.
This means that the White Horse is neither Jesus, nor Antichrist.

I do, however, believe that Jesus' “Olivet Discourse” is pointing to the 4 seals of Revelation. It matches too closely to dismiss.

The rider of the White Horse is the Spirit of “the spreading of the Gospel” that is riding out to conquer (overcome) and wears a victor's crown (Stephanos).

Jesus is warning not to be deceived or led astray from the mission of the Disciples/Apostles.

This brings us to the point that the White Horse begins his ride IMMEDIATELY after Christ's victory on the cross.
I support this in 2 ways:
  1. The Olivet Discourse CLEARLY describes a timeframe longer than a 7 year period. In fact, not until the Gospel has been delivered to EVERY Nation, will the END come.
  2. Rev 5 (let the reader understand) my emphasis
Rev 5 clearly shows a scene in Heaven where all are distressed that none is worthy to open the scroll.
SUDDENLY, the Lamb appears and is worthy. This happened immediately upon Jesus' resurrection and overcoming death. The Lamb then takes the scroll and opens the first seal. Notice that he did NOT wait 2000 years. Jesus began opening the seals immediately upon his victory. Remember, he had to become “worthy” before he could do so. There is no scripture connecting the 1st seal with the beginning of Daniel's 70th week.

It is important to note that the NT Book is called “The Revelation of Jesus Christ” and NOT “The revelation of Daniel's 70th week”.

To keep it short, my understanding is that the opening of the seals began at Jesus' resurrection.

In my estimation, the 5th seal would be more contemporary to the beginning of the 7 years as it seems to suggest a “demarcation point” to tell the martyrs (up to that time) that the final week is beginning.

So, really, the 6th seal might be the first one that we “recognize”.

As Jesus said:
Mat 24:15-22
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand: Daniel)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

In closing, I believe that the Gospel HAS been preached to all Nations and the END is near.
My Pastor thinks that “the gospel must be preached to every living soul”. Not true. Jesus will make sure that all who can be saved, will be.


My love to you all. Please, let us Prepare! For He surely will come soon!
 

JeffA

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Wow! I thought this would be an interesting topic.
Maybe it was beaten to death in the past.
 

soberxp

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I do believe that, as the Body of Christ, we should be focused on “preparation”
John 1:23
He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias.

Mark 1:3
The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.

Matthew 3:3
For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.

luke 3:4
As it is written in the book of the words of Esaias the prophet, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.

"preparation" all the time since John the Baptist.
 

Pilgrimshope

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#4
I do believe that, as the Body of Christ, we should be focused on “preparation” more than “evangelizing” in this day and age. We are rapidly approaching the “Day of the Lord”.

I am going to lay out my understanding of these scriptures and invite commentary to the effect of edification or correction. My faith is in Christ alone so it will not offend me if I am shown to misunderstand the scriptures. It can only increase my knowledge and understanding.

This topic, specifically is Matthew 24:3-14 and Revelation 6:1-11

Mat 24:4 Jesus' warns against being deceived.

5 Many will come “in Jesus' Name”, saying that Jesus is the Christ. Deceiving many. (paraphrased)

I understand that this passage can include the notion that there will be “false Christs”, too.
That may well be, but, it CERTAINLY refers to deception WITHIN the Church.

Jesus said “IN MY NAME” (refers to himself) and saying “I AM the CHRIST” (again referring to himself). There are no quotes”” in scripture. He could have said conclusively that people would claim to be the Christ. The passage would read more like “saying that THEY are the Christ”.

Rev 6:1-2 The Lamb opens the first seal, the White horse goes forth to conquer (overcome). The rider is given a Bow and a victor's crown.

There are 2 “Main” schools of thought on this.
  1. The White Horse is the Antichrist.
  2. The White Horse is Jesus.
Neither of these are true. We can look to Zechariah for an explanation of the Horses:

Zech 1:7-10
7 Upon the four and twentieth day of the eleventh month, which is the month Sebat, in the second year of Darius, came the word of the Lord unto Zechariah, the son of Berechiah, the son of Iddo the prophet, saying,
8 I saw by night, and behold a man riding upon a red horse, and he stood among the myrtle trees that were in the bottom; and behind him were there red horses, speckled, and white.
9 Then said I, O my lord, what are these? And the angel that talked with me said unto me, I will shew thee what these be.
10And the man that stood among the myrtle trees answered and said, These are they whom the Lord hath sent to walk to and fro through the earth.

And Zech 6:1-5
1 And I turned, and lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came four chariots out from between two mountains; and the mountains were mountains of brass.
2 In the first chariot were red horses; and in the second chariot black horses;
3 And in the third chariot white horses; and in the fourth chariot grisled and bay horses.
4 Then I answered and said unto the angel that talked with me, What are these, my lord?
5 And the angel answered and said unto me, These are the four spirits of the heavens, which go forth from standing before the Lord of all the earth.

So, I understand the “Horses” to be those spirits sent forth for God's purposes.
This means that the White Horse is neither Jesus, nor Antichrist.

I do, however, believe that Jesus' “Olivet Discourse” is pointing to the 4 seals of Revelation. It matches too closely to dismiss.

The rider of the White Horse is the Spirit of “the spreading of the Gospel” that is riding out to conquer (overcome) and wears a victor's crown (Stephanos).

Jesus is warning not to be deceived or led astray from the mission of the Disciples/Apostles.

This brings us to the point that the White Horse begins his ride IMMEDIATELY after Christ's victory on the cross.
I support this in 2 ways:
  1. The Olivet Discourse CLEARLY describes a timeframe longer than a 7 year period. In fact, not until the Gospel has been delivered to EVERY Nation, will the END come.
  2. Rev 5 (let the reader understand) my emphasis
Rev 5 clearly shows a scene in Heaven where all are distressed that none is worthy to open the scroll.
SUDDENLY, the Lamb appears and is worthy. This happened immediately upon Jesus' resurrection and overcoming death. The Lamb then takes the scroll and opens the first seal. Notice that he did NOT wait 2000 years. Jesus began opening the seals immediately upon his victory. Remember, he had to become “worthy” before he could do so. There is no scripture connecting the 1st seal with the beginning of Daniel's 70th week.

It is important to note that the NT Book is called “The Revelation of Jesus Christ” and NOT “The revelation of Daniel's 70th week”.

To keep it short, my understanding is that the opening of the seals began at Jesus' resurrection.

In my estimation, the 5th seal would be more contemporary to the beginning of the 7 years as it seems to suggest a “demarcation point” to tell the martyrs (up to that time) that the final week is beginning.

So, really, the 6th seal might be the first one that we “recognize”.

As Jesus said:
Mat 24:15-22
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand: Daniel)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

In closing, I believe that the Gospel HAS been preached to all Nations and the END is near.
My Pastor thinks that “the gospel must be preached to every living soul”. Not true. Jesus will make sure that all who can be saved, will be.


My love to you all. Please, let us Prepare! For He surely will come soon!
interesting read I’m not sure I’m following it all correctly but I think I have some agreement thanks for sharing
 

Beckie

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Wow! I thought this would be an interesting topic.
Maybe it was beaten to death in the past.

It is a interesting topic. Long posts are difficult to reply too.

It is important to note that the NT Book is called “The Revelation of Jesus Christ” and NOT “The revelation of Daniel's 70th week”.
Agree and adding it is not the revelation of some antichrist. Until the NKJV (About 1980) came along there was no mention of antichrist in The Revelation of Jesus Christ !

Questions: Is there a Scripture passage speaking about a gap in time , a passage that tells us the Body of Christ is plan B so to speak? Did God know His Son would be rejected, sent to the Cross, Resurrected? I say yes.
Gen 3:21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them. To my understanding this is the first hint of the Lamb of God Rev_13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

In closing, I believe that the Gospel HAS been preached to all Nations and the END is near.
We had evidence via Scripture;
Rom_1:8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.
Rom_10:18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.


From the beginning in the Garden, God gave waring . Noah was given warning, The children of Israel had many warnings. Before God sent destruction , captivity He sent a warning . Could it be the Olivet Discourse was the warning before the destruction of70 AD?
 
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Brother Jeff, I respectfully disagree. The End of Time cannot come just yet, because the Gospel has not yet been preached to All Nations.

Over 2 Billion People (2,000,000,000) have not even heard the Holy Name of Jesus Christ:

"The recently released Future of the Global Church has a section on the unevangelized. While the percentage of the world who are unevangelized has decreased, the absolute number of unevangelized has increased. The text on page 161 says "The disturbing truth is that there may still be nearly 2 billion individuals who have never had a chance to hear the Gospel."

The Atlas of Global Christianity based on the World Christian Database defines an "evangelized person" as "An individual who has had adequate opportunity or opportunities to hear the Gospel and respond to it, whether he responds positively or negatively". Using this definition the Atlas breaks the globe into World A, B, C where World A is considered the unevangelized. The Atlas suggests there are over 2,000,000,000 (2 billion) individuals in World A. Atlas p. 312-313" https://joshuaproject.net/resources/articles/has_everyone_heard

The Lord is clear in Mat 24:14: "14 And this Gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. "

Jesus Christ never said there was an "expiry date" for the Great Commission, especially when many such predictions have been wrong before. 100s of people expected the world to end during the 20th century. It did not. The end of time will not come until the Gospel of the Kingdom has been preached in ALL NATIONS.

 

Beckie

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The Lord is clear in Mat 24:14: "14 And this Gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. "

Rom 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
Rom 16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
Rom 16:27 To God only wise, be glory through Jesus Christ for ever. Amen. Written to the Romans from Corinthus, and sent by Phebe servant of the church at Cenchrea.
 

Iconoclast

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These events have taken place already.
Both Mt.24, and rev.6 speak of the fulfillment of the Covenant curses upon Israel and apostate Jerusalem, Deut.28-33 and the bringing in of the N.C .administration
 
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Did anyone watch the video I posted? 2 Billion People have not heard the Holy Name of Jesus Christ! How then can the end come?

Yes, the foundations have been laid, or the beginnings of the work, with a few believers here and there in every nation, even long ago. That's probably what Romans 16:26 is referring. The Apostles went throughout the whole world. Even my own country, India, was evangelized by the Apostle St. Thomas in 52 A.D., until his subsequent death and martyrdom for preaching the Gospel and being faithful unto death. Here, Christians are like 2-3%, or about 30-40 MN Christians. But in a Population of 1.4 BN, perhaps anywhere between 500 MN to 1 BN people have not or have hardly ever heard the Gospel. This is why I disagree with the "Doom-and-Gloom" ers saying "It's All Over". No, I don't believe it is, we have to continue the Hard Work of the Great Commission till the Lord comes.

The Christian Churches are planning a Great Global Harvest for 2033, the 2000th Anniversary of the Death and Resurrection of Lord Jesus Christ: "Benny Prasad said (about this Grand Jubilee): "I believe ‘Jesus Celebration 2033’ is ordained and initiated by God. I support this vision 100% and urge the Body of Christ from all nations to unite together to celebrate our Lord Jesus Christ’s resurrection, the greatest event in all of history." https://www.conservapedia.com/Grand_Jubilee_Year_2033 That's the vision I pray for and support.

The Jesus Christ 2033 site is here: https://www.jc2033.world/en/ People have been expecting the imminent end for decades now.

Men of God have prophesied one last "Billion Soul Harvest" before the Lord returns. That's what I believe will still happen before the End. I believe we must pray and work for that, and not be distracted into the defeatist idea that "it's all over" or the escapist idea of the "Pre-Tribulation Rapture". The Rapture is Post-Tribulation and Post-Resurrection as 1 Thess 4 clearly says. These are today's errors imo.

God Bless.
 

Beckie

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Did anyone watch the video I posted? 2 Billion People have not heard the Holy Name of Jesus Christ! How then can the end come?
the video says what it says God's Word says what is says.
Rom_1:8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.
Rom_10:18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.


which do you believe? the difference is understanding the 'end of what'
 

JeffA

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interesting read I’m not sure I’m following it all correctly but I think I have some agreement thanks for sharing
I guess that I'm concerned that most of the messages I hear from pastors are either about the need for outreach or prosperity. Basically "growing the church" doctrine. Practically no one preaches about the eminent return of Jesus. Even those that focus on eschatology really just espouse their theories on "who is the antichrist or the whore of Babylon", etc.

My point is that the opening of the seals was set into motion at the time Jesus was resurrected. We were warned about the "thief in the night". People think that they still have time. That is sad. No one knows when he will come but they all say "this or that hasn't happened, yet". They are waiting for a 7-year covenant or the revealing of antichrist or a rapture event or the building of a temple, red heifer, etc.
They think to themselves "that's when I will prepare", What they are really saying is "that's when I will BELIEVE".
The 6th seal could be upon us tomorrow and the scriptures would reconcile. We just can't quite see it. This is intentional.
There is no time left to "not be ready".
 

JeffA

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These events have taken place already.
Both Mt.24, and rev.6 speak of the fulfillment of the Covenant curses upon Israel and apostate Jerusalem, Deut.28-33 and the bringing in of the N.C .administration
I would like to get your take on that.
 

JeffA

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Did anyone watch the video I posted? 2 Billion People have not heard the Holy Name of Jesus Christ! How then can the end come?

Yes, the foundations have been laid, or the beginnings of the work, with a few believers here and there in every nation, even long ago. That's probably what Romans 16:26 is referring. The Apostles went throughout the whole world. Even my own country, India, was evangelized by the Apostle St. Thomas in 52 A.D., until his subsequent death and martyrdom for preaching the Gospel and being faithful unto death. Here, Christians are like 2-3%, or about 30-40 MN Christians. But in a Population of 1.4 BN, perhaps anywhere between 500 MN to 1 BN people have not or have hardly ever heard the Gospel. This is why I disagree with the "Doom-and-Gloom" ers saying "It's All Over". No, I don't believe it is, we have to continue the Hard Work of the Great Commission till the Lord comes.

The Christian Churches are planning a Great Global Harvest for 2033, the 2000th Anniversary of the Death and Resurrection of Lord Jesus Christ: "Benny Prasad said (about this Grand Jubilee): "I believe ‘Jesus Celebration 2033’ is ordained and initiated by God. I support this vision 100% and urge the Body of Christ from all nations to unite together to celebrate our Lord Jesus Christ’s resurrection, the greatest event in all of history." https://www.conservapedia.com/Grand_Jubilee_Year_2033 That's the vision I pray for and support.

The Jesus Christ 2033 site is here: https://www.jc2033.world/en/ People have been expecting the imminent end for decades now.

Men of God have prophesied one last "Billion Soul Harvest" before the Lord returns. That's what I believe will still happen before the End. I believe we must pray and work for that, and not be distracted into the defeatist idea that "it's all over" or the escapist idea of the "Pre-Tribulation Rapture". The Rapture is Post-Tribulation and Post-Resurrection as 1 Thess 4 clearly says. These are today's errors imo.

God Bless.
This is what I mean. If you think that Jesus cannot return, yet, because there are so many "unsaved", you could be caught unaware!
 

JeffA

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Questions: Is there a Scripture passage speaking about a gap in time , a passage that tells us the Body of Christ is plan B so to speak? Did God know His Son would be rejected, sent to the Cross, Resurrected? I say yes.
Absolutely!
I get your point but we know that God doesn't have "plan B" :).
When Jesus defeated death, Satan knew he had lost his argument with God.
Pride goeth before a fall. (And WHAT a fall!)
 

JeffA

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If Jesus shows up tomorrow, then who misunderstood the scriptures?
I say put your faith in God alone!
Not in your own understanding.
It will ALWAYS be flawed to some degree.
And only God knows to what degree!
 
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I do believe that, as the Body of Christ, we should be focused on “preparation” more than “evangelizing” in this day and age. We are rapidly approaching the “Day of the Lord”.

I am going to lay out my understanding of these scriptures and invite commentary to the effect of edification or correction. My faith is in Christ alone so it will not offend me if I am shown to misunderstand the scriptures. It can only increase my knowledge and understanding.

This topic, specifically is Matthew 24:3-14 and Revelation 6:1-11

Mat 24:4 Jesus' warns against being deceived.

5 Many will come “in Jesus' Name”, saying that Jesus is the Christ. Deceiving many. (paraphrased)

I understand that this passage can include the notion that there will be “false Christs”, too.
That may well be, but, it CERTAINLY refers to deception WITHIN the Church.

Jesus said “IN MY NAME” (refers to himself) and saying “I AM the CHRIST” (again referring to himself). There are no quotes”” in scripture. He could have said conclusively that people would claim to be the Christ. The passage would read more like “saying that THEY are the Christ”.

Rev 6:1-2 The Lamb opens the first seal, the White horse goes forth to conquer (overcome). The rider is given a Bow and a victor's crown.

There are 2 “Main” schools of thought on this.
  1. The White Horse is the Antichrist.
  2. The White Horse is Jesus.
Neither of these are true. We can look to Zechariah for an explanation of the Horses:

Zech 1:7-10
7 Upon the four and twentieth day of the eleventh month, which is the month Sebat, in the second year of Darius, came the word of the Lord unto Zechariah, the son of Berechiah, the son of Iddo the prophet, saying,
8 I saw by night, and behold a man riding upon a red horse, and he stood among the myrtle trees that were in the bottom; and behind him were there red horses, speckled, and white.
9 Then said I, O my lord, what are these? And the angel that talked with me said unto me, I will shew thee what these be.
10And the man that stood among the myrtle trees answered and said, These are they whom the Lord hath sent to walk to and fro through the earth.

And Zech 6:1-5
1 And I turned, and lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came four chariots out from between two mountains; and the mountains were mountains of brass.
2 In the first chariot were red horses; and in the second chariot black horses;
3 And in the third chariot white horses; and in the fourth chariot grisled and bay horses.
4 Then I answered and said unto the angel that talked with me, What are these, my lord?
5 And the angel answered and said unto me, These are the four spirits of the heavens, which go forth from standing before the Lord of all the earth.

So, I understand the “Horses” to be those spirits sent forth for God's purposes.
This means that the White Horse is neither Jesus, nor Antichrist.

I do, however, believe that Jesus' “Olivet Discourse” is pointing to the 4 seals of Revelation. It matches too closely to dismiss.

The rider of the White Horse is the Spirit of “the spreading of the Gospel” that is riding out to conquer (overcome) and wears a victor's crown (Stephanos).

Jesus is warning not to be deceived or led astray from the mission of the Disciples/Apostles.

This brings us to the point that the White Horse begins his ride IMMEDIATELY after Christ's victory on the cross.
I support this in 2 ways:
  1. The Olivet Discourse CLEARLY describes a timeframe longer than a 7 year period. In fact, not until the Gospel has been delivered to EVERY Nation, will the END come.
  2. Rev 5 (let the reader understand) my emphasis
Rev 5 clearly shows a scene in Heaven where all are distressed that none is worthy to open the scroll.
SUDDENLY, the Lamb appears and is worthy. This happened immediately upon Jesus' resurrection and overcoming death. The Lamb then takes the scroll and opens the first seal. Notice that he did NOT wait 2000 years. Jesus began opening the seals immediately upon his victory. Remember, he had to become “worthy” before he could do so. There is no scripture connecting the 1st seal with the beginning of Daniel's 70th week.

It is important to note that the NT Book is called “The Revelation of Jesus Christ” and NOT “The revelation of Daniel's 70th week”.

To keep it short, my understanding is that the opening of the seals began at Jesus' resurrection.

In my estimation, the 5th seal would be more contemporary to the beginning of the 7 years as it seems to suggest a “demarcation point” to tell the martyrs (up to that time) that the final week is beginning.

So, really, the 6th seal might be the first one that we “recognize”.

As Jesus said:
Mat 24:15-22
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand: Daniel)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

In closing, I believe that the Gospel HAS been preached to all Nations and the END is near.
My Pastor thinks that “the gospel must be preached to every living soul”. Not true. Jesus will make sure that all who can be saved, will be.


My love to you all. Please, let us Prepare! For He surely will come soon!
Many things I could address here and maybe, as time allows, I'll speak to each one.

First, it depends on what you mean by the gospel being preached to "all nations." If the book of Romans was written in 57 CE and we are in 2022 CE now, then that means that ~1,965 years ago Paul believed the gospel had already been made known to all nations from his perspective.

Romans 16:25,26 KJV
25Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
26But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

This was more like "all the nations" Paul was able to physically get to, not literally all nations and people on planet Earth.

It's my belief that the gospel being preached to all nations is a prophecy and there isn't really a precise metric we have been given whereby to determine what constitutes getting a gospel to a nation. We are not tagging and cataloging each person the gospel is preached to. Therefore, this is probably completed by divine providence:

Revelation 14:6 KJV
6And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

So to preach the gospel to every nation it must include all on the earth, every nation, all different kinds of people, and in every possible language.
 

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the video says what it says God's Word says what is says.
Rom_1:8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.
Rom_10:18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.


which do you believe? the difference is understanding the 'end of what'
Maybe we all misunderstood the meaning of this sentence,
If God's words spread to any corner of the world, then The old world is over.
 

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If Jesus shows up tomorrow, then who misunderstood the scriptures?
I say put your faith in God alone!
Not in your own understanding.
It will ALWAYS be flawed to some degree.
And only God knows to what degree!
If I don't try to understand God's word, how can I understand God's word:unsure:
 

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Have you ever considered that there is no order of these seals? In fact, these seals occur at the same time. I think it may be easier to understand.