electric cars

[Lanolin]

Turn plastic into fuel

https://insteading.com/blog/plastic-to-fuel/

 

[Beckie]

why are you doing away with hydropower?
seems silly

the wacko environmentalist are pushing for it... not all environmentalist are wacko

 

[RichMan]

why are you doing away with hydropower?
seems silly

I dont know much about windpower, but I havent heard of many windmill accidents, though mining explosion disasters and nuclear meltdowns are common.

With hydro, rivers do get diverted. But thing is seems renewable.
so hydropowered cars might be way to go. I thought we'd all go magnetic in the future, wasnt there something called maglev.

even if we went to electric, cutting toxic emissions would be better than doing NOTHING if not for the air that we breathe. you want to keep choking on acid rain and smog, well up to you.

I guess you have not paid attention to the fact that the western half of the US has been running out of water because of a lack of rain for years now. Many hydro electric plant will have to be shut down very soon. Some have already cut back on output.
As for wind turbins, the production and disposal when life is over creates more co2 than they save producing power. And don't forget, when there is not enough wind, no power.

 

[RichMan]

why would ethanol create famine
surely it is a byproduct of alcohol or whatver is already produced, so, its not costing anything extra to produce it. its just using a resource already available. You could use human manure to power things even, like how cow dung is used as fuel.

use whatver is being thrown away as fuel, like what happens to all that plastic packaging or what not.

Ethanol is produced from corn that has been diverted from the food supply.
It is also less efficient than gas, taking more gallons to go the same distance as gas will take you.

 

[RichMan]

Do you have any idea of what it takes to make install those windmills? Here in the USA the stupid do gooders are pushing to do away with hydropower.

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Probably the best post ever published on the subject of "zero emissions". Absolutely worth the read!​

(Translated from English):​

“Batteries don’t create electricity – they store electricity generated elsewhere, especially through coal, uranium, natural gas-powered power plants, or diesel-powered generators.” So the claim that an electric car is a zero-emission vehicle is not true at all.​

Since forty percent of the electricity produced in the USA comes from coal power plants, therefore forty percent of electric cars on the road are coal-based.​

But that's not all. Those of you excited about electric cars and a green revolution should take a closer look at the batteries, but also wind turbines and solar panels.​

A typical electric car battery weighs a thousand pounds, about the size of a suitcase. It contains twenty-five pounds of lithium, sixty pounds of nickel, 44 pounds of manganese, 30 pounds of cobalt, 200 pounds of copper, and 400 pounds of aluminum, steel, and plastic. There are over 6,000 individual lithium-ion cells inside.​

To make each BEV battery, you'll need to process 25,000 pounds of salt for the lithium, 30,000 pounds of ore for the cobalt, 5,000 pounds of resin for the nickel, and 25,000 pounds of ore from the copper. Overall, you have to dig out 500,000 pounds of earth’s crust for a battery. "​

The main problem with solar systems is the chemicals used to turn silicate into the silicon used for the panels. To produce sufficiently pure silicon, it must be treated with hydrochloric acid, sulfuric acid, hydrogen fluoride, trichlorothane and acetone.​

In addition, gallium, arsenide, copper-indium-gallium diselenide and cadmium telluride are needed which are also highly toxic. Silicon dust poses a hazard to workers and the plates cannot be recycled.​

Wind turbines are the nonplusultra in terms of cost and environmental destruction. Each windmill weighs 1,688 tons (equivalent to the weight of 23 houses) and contains 1300 tons of concrete, 295 tons of steel, 48 tons of iron, 24 tons of fiberglass, and the hard-to-win rare-earths Neodym, Praseodym, and Dysprosium. Each of the three blades weighs 81,000 pounds and has a lifespan of 15 to 20 years, after which they must be replaced. We cannot recycle used rotor blades.​

These technologies can certainly have their place, but you have to look beyond the myth of emission freedom.​

“Going Green” may sound like a utopian ideal, but if you look at the hidden and embedded costs in a realistic and unbiased way, you’ll find that “Going Green" is doing more harm to the Earth’s environment than it seems. Has.​

I'm not opposed to mining, electric vehicles, wind or solar energy. But I show the reality of the situation.​

Copied / pasted obviously. I invite you to pass the text along. https://www.linkedin.com/.../urn:li:activity...​

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Another side of the coin.. ·​

I read that it takes 1800 gallons of diesel fuel to mine the minerals needed to produce one battery for an electric car.

 

[Lynx]

Turn plastic into fuel

https://insteading.com/blog/plastic-to-fuel/

Give that a try. Let us know how it works for you.

 

[Lanolin]

well I dont live in the US so i dont pay that much attention to it, sorry
why should I --if I dont live there?

 

[Lanolin]

Ethanol is produced from corn that has been diverted from the food supply.
It is also less efficient than gas, taking more gallons to go the same distance as gas will take you.

really
well the US does weird things like instead of grazing cattle on grass they feed them on grain in feedlots.

 

[Lanolin]

also weird thing they did was plough up good prarire grassland and grow wheat on it.
When the grassland should have been left for grazing buffalo

western half of US seems to lack water cos of lack of forest cover, which can generate rain clouds for rain
seems like they stealing waters from other sources
but if gas is easy to obtain for them then...sure LA can choke on their own smog, not my problem really. I heard they used to have electric cars, they worked like a dream but the gas companies put an end to that.

 

[RichMan]

well I dont live in the US so i dont pay that much attention to it, sorry
why should I --if I dont live there?

But you do voice your opinions on the way we do things even though you do not know what you are talking about most of the time.

 

[Lanolin]

One of the appeals of the electric car is its simplicity. (I would never buy a hybrid car because of its complexity: gas power + electric power + transitional devices. Its like driving around in the space shuttle.) If you are a do it yourselfer, there are kits you can buy to convert certain car models to electric. Might be a fun hobby. I think one way to go, if you can afford to do so, is to have two cars, one gas, one electric; one for long hops, one for short. One downside to electric, eventually you have to replace all the batteries which is a big bill to pay. Also the battery manufacturing industry is a dirty industry, so that negates the environmental incentive. Nothing is perfect.

do they run better though

they seem like they are very quiet cos no noisy engine

I agree batteries need to be improved though, I dont know how often you need to keep charging but then its the same with laptops and mobile devices.

 

[Lanolin]

But you do voice your opinions on the way we do things even though you do not know what you are talking about most of the time.

nothing wrong with that if it does not seem to make any sense
its a question, when you ask a question you dont always know the answer...an question is not a fact or an opinion, its just asking.

There is nothing wrong with asking questions, by doing that you find out more. Its called inquiry

 

[RichMan]

nothing wrong with that if it does not seem to make any sense
its a question, when you ask a question you dont always know the answer...an question is not a fact or an opinion, its just asking.

Don't you work in a library?
How about researching some facts before you post?

 

[Lanolin]

Don't you work in a library?
How about researching some facts before you post?

Because I want to find out if others have been driving them
nothing wrong with that

you seem to have your knickers in a knot. weird...dont have to answer if you havent.

 

[Lanolin]

Please post if you have an electric car and your experience of driving them. I would like to know what its like.

if you dont, dont. simple.

 

[Lanolin]

You can post your opinion if you dont have one, but it would be good to hear from someone who actually owns one.

Or ridden in one

Or even MADE one!

 

[RichMan]

Please post if you have an electric car and your experience of driving them. I would like to know what its like.

if you dont, dont. simple.

I can not afford an electric car. They may work fine in cities and for people who do not drive much.
I live in a rural area. Need 4 wheel drive and high clearance. My solar system will not charge one and to upgrade would cost as much as the car.
They simply are not practical nor affordable for most of us Americans.

 

[Lanolin]

I can not afford an electric car. They may work fine in cities and for people who do not drive much.
I live in a rural area. Need 4 wheel drive and high clearance. My solar system will not charge one and to upgrade would cost as much as the car.
They simply are not practical nor affordable for most of us Americans.

yea they are too pricy
i think theyd only work in a small area like a self contained city, that had a good network but thats why there are tram systems instead of individual cars.

 

[Lanolin]

in nz, you can get one thats subsidized but still very very expensive to intially buy (though cheaper to actually run)

bear in mind nz has much less land surface than the US and more concentrated urban populations.
it would not be an option for many

Even e-bikes cost too much atm
However charging stations are popping up and I think there will be a move toward them in future as prices come down. I think if it works in one city with a good network it could solve one problem...but may create another.

however congestion and things mean even with the cleanest of cars, if youve got too many you'll still have traffic jams lol

 

[RichMan]

in nz, you can get one thats subsidized but still very very expensive to intially buy (though cheaper to actually run)

bear in mind nz has much less land surface than the US and more concentrated urban populations.
it would not be an option for many

Even e-bikes cost too much atm
However charging stations are popping up and I think there will be a move toward them in future as prices come down. I think if it works in one city with a good network it could solve one problem...but may create another.

however congestion and things mean even with the cleanest of cars, if youve got too many you'll still have traffic jams lol

They are also subsidized in the US and I do not believe it is fair that my tax money is used to pay for some one to buy what I can not afford to buy.