Children’s Risk of Death Increases by 5100% Following Covid-19 Vaccination Compared to Unvaccinated Children According to Official ONS Data

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ZNP

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Yes, you believe that. I believe something else. The guy next door believes something else. I’m well aware of this.
But to scare parents into believing that 52% of their kids will die from vaccinations … that’s just a new level of crazy.
You are the only one spreading that lie. No one else has said that, only you. So then you condemn yourself for spreading a lie and being crazy.
 

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You are the only one spreading that lie. No one else has said that, only you. So then you condemn yourself for spreading a lie and being crazy.
Nope that‘s you with your propaganda trying to spread fear.
 

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Eli1

the vaccine is not a conventional vaccine, it is a new technology using mRNA, it is unproven and is in fact an experimental gene therapy. Children do not die of coronaviruses unless they are very sick to start with. There is no need to vaccinate healthy children. many top scientists risking their lives and medical or academic reputations have spoken out against the current gene therapy ""vaccines". Many were silenced many lost their positions but the statistics based on millions of people do not lie. This ""vaccine"" is indeed dangerous, is an unacceptable and a serious medical error.
I have read many posts from ZNP on the vaccines and i found him well informed and he is right. I will always backup anyone who says the truth.

Lastly, innocent little children do not go to hell that is preposterous.

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May I suggest we who are in the body of our Lord here take a moment to consider this wisdom?
From The Songs of King David, Psalm 1:1
blessed is the man who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked,
Nor stand in the path of sinners,
Nor sit in the seat of scoffers!

Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Warnings-Of-Evil-Associations

Evil propogates when nurtured. It only stops when starved for attention.
There is no grace light found in darkness. And I believe we only waste our time speaking reason to that which knows no such thing.

Their intent is to detail the topic and insult those who show it respect. I believe if we continue to respond to soulless evil that fouls the memory of dead children through malicious slander against them, we are only providing that darkness the satisfaction they sought by entering here in the first place.

Please, again, in the name of Jesus, let us not be led to continue to follow the invitation to respond to the Devil's provocation.

Let us stay on topic. And in peace.
 

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Oh okay, let’s show some contradictions because everyone picks a verse from the Bible and builds a church around it.

In Psalm 51:5, David wrote, “Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me.” David recognized that even at conception he was a sinner. The very sad fact that infants sometimes die demonstrates that even infants are impacted by Adam’s sin, since physical and spiritual death were the results of Adam’s original sin.
And, apparently, this is the verse you picked...
 

Eli1

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And, apparently, this is the verse you picked...
Yes isn’t that ironic?
What does that tell you? It tells me that we shouldn’t pick one line out of the Bible and try to build a worldview out of it, but take the Bible as a whole and build a worldview out of it.

May I suggest we who are in the body of our Lord here take a moment to consider this wisdom?
From The Songs of King David, Psalm 1:1
blessed is the man who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked,
Nor stand in the path of sinners,
Nor sit in the seat of scoffers!

Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Warnings-Of-Evil-Associations

Evil propogates when nurtured. It only stops when starved for attention.
There is no grace light found in darkness. And I believe we only waste our time speaking reason to that which knows no such thing.

Their intent is to detail the topic and insult those who show it respect. I believe if we continue to respond to soulless evil that fouls the memory of dead children through malicious slander against them, we are only providing that darkness the satisfaction they sought by entering here in the first place.

Please, again, in the name of Jesus, let us not be led to continue to follow the invitation to respond to the Devil's provocation.

Let us stay on topic. And in peace.
‘This is very good. Here’s a verse about truth:

Sanctify them in the truth; your word is truth.

But we’re here “sharpening irons“ right? Isn’t that another favorite Christian expression?
So, come let’s sharpen irons.
 

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Eli1

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Darkness cannot comprehend light.

David's father was Jesse. His mother was Nitzevet.
David's statement regarding his conception is personal, not universal.


https://www.chabad.org/theJewishWoman/article_cdo/aid/280331/jewish/Nitzevet-Mother-of-David.htm
‘Oh no you didn’t just go there.
So in Psalms we are reading the mind of David? Especially when is he pissed off at his enemies and wants God to strike them on the cheekbone?

This is in direct contradiction with Jesus who says “turn the other cheek’ and “pray for the enemy’’.
So how are you gonna reconcile that?

Maybe just maybe it would be wise if you didn’t say that 52% of children will NOT die from vaccinations?
 

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Posted on the wrong thread by mistake.
 

Eli1

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Wars and Rumors of War

War on Drugs

War on Crime

War on Poverty

War on Terror

Fight for Human rights

Civil Rights Movement

Black Lives Matter

ANTIFA

Cancel Culture

Ministry of Truth

#MeToo movement

Stop the Steal
You Forgot war on diseases too. :)
America has a fascination with war because we’re the current leading empire at the moment.
 

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‘Oh no you didn’t just go there.
So in Psalms we are reading the mind of David? Especially when is he pissed off at his enemies and wants God to strike them on the cheekbone?

This is in direct contradiction with Jesus who says “turn the other cheek’ and “pray for the enemy’’.
So how are you gonna reconcile that?

Maybe just maybe it would be wise if you didn’t say that 52% of children will NOT die from vaccinations?
I will close this threads piece of hunting ground by rebuking the derail with one of my favorite verses. Recollected whenever I encounter the enemy. It gives perspective and strengthens me with the fortification that my Lord Jesus blesses me with, as his sacred breath fortified himself during his trial.

Because God knows, once we name a thing we are better able to defend against it. Or, in this case, know what awaits it in God's judgement and own time.
You are of your father the Devil.

I hope this verse helps to fortify my sister's and brothers in Christ.
 

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Not true.
We need to define the Age of Accountability.

Frequently lost in the discussion regarding the age of accountability is the fact that children, no matter how young, are not “innocent” in the sense of being sinless. The Bible tells us that, even if an infant or child has not committed personal sin, all people, including infants and children, are guilty before God because of inherited and imputed sin. Inherited sin is that which is passed on from our parents. In Psalm 51:5, David wrote, “Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me.” David recognized that even at conception he was a sinner. The very sad fact that infants sometimes die demonstrates that even infants are impacted by Adam’s sin, since physical and spiritual death were the results of Adam’s original sin.
My understanding is that

1. We are born not in sin, but with the propensity to sin
2. Sin, or bad works, is not the determining factor in salvation
3. We are born innocent and remain so until such time as we think we know enough to decide yea or nay for Christ, which IS the determining factor in salvation (the age of accountability)
 

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My understanding is that

1. We are born not in sin, but with the propensity to sin
2. Sin, or bad works, is not the determining factor in salvation
3. We are born innocent and remain so until such time as we think we know enough to decide yea or nay for Christ, which IS the determining factor in salvation (the age of accountability)
Good references.

Jesus said we must become like little children to see his kingdom. For that kingdom belongs to such as these.

If we're destined to Hell as newborns, it would be a strange thing to call Jesus our Salvation after he told us we adults hearing his message must enter that innocence we had as babes.

Maybe errant teachings are born of fear? That Salvation will reduce the number of the lost. Leaving the lost to fend for themselves as themselves. An idol to their own selfishness and materiality. Material-Reality.
 

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My understanding is that

1. We are born not in sin, but with the propensity to sin
2. Sin, or bad works, is not the determining factor in salvation
3. We are born innocent and remain so until such time as we think we know enough to decide yea or nay for Christ, which IS the determining factor in salvation (the age of accountability)
Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

The wicked are estranged from the womb; they go astray from birth, speaking lies.

All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned—every one—
to his own way; and the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.
 

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I will close this threads piece of hunting ground by rebuking the derail with one of my favorite verses. Recollected whenever I encounter the enemy. It gives perspective and strengthens me with the fortification that my Lord Jesus blesses me with, as his sacred breath fortified himself during his trial.

Because God knows, once we name a thing we are better able to defend against it. Or, in this case, know what awaits it in God's judgement and own time.
You are of your father the Devil.

I hope this verse helps to fortify my sister's and brothers in Christ.

Oh yeah I know something along those lines too. :)

You brood of vipers! How can you speak good, when you are evil? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.

My understanding is that

1. We are born not in sin, but with the propensity to sin
2. Sin, or bad works, is not the determining factor in salvation
3. We are born innocent and remain so until such time as we think we know enough to decide yea or nay for Christ, which IS the determining factor in salvation (the age of accountability)
Okay I don’t know what church you come from but I like your interpretation here because it’s not very strict.
You’re saying that we are born sinless.
Of course if you say this, it will contradict many other things in the Bible as well as many practices today including the greatest evil of all: Death.
But assuming this is correct then the relevant questions here is:

What about children in many parts of the world who have never heard of Jesus? What happens to them?
Especially since 52% of them will die immediately after being vaccinated according to liars pushing propaganda?

You know what I think?
I think salvation is a mystery and the best thing we can do in our lives is to imitate Christ.
I don’t know how God judges things and people who have never heard of Jesus, and I’d never want to be in that position. But I do know that any attempt to solve this logically will fail.
Because the Bible is not an engineering book, but a relationship book which shows our relationship to our Creator so a lot of things Christians argue daily about, are simply mysteries.

But let’s sharpen those irons :)
 

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Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

The wicked are estranged from the womb; they go astray from birth, speaking lies.

All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned—every one—
to his own way; and the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.
The wicked!

Not the innocent newborn who are not born able to speak words, much less evil.

Matthew 18. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew 18&version=KJV
 

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As newborns from God?
Ok so to recap;
David says something regarding children which contradicts Mathew or contradicts Jesus.
‘When you read this contradiction, do you take it literally (like most of you do) or poetically ?