The tree of the knowledge of good and evil, why was it created and placed on earth?

[Webers.Home]

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It seems that they could not have died if they had eaten from the tree of
life. If they could not have died, they would have remained eternally evil,
like Satan.

People tend to take advantage of medicine in order to continue their bad
habits. For example; treatments for STDs enable immoral folk to continue
their swinging life style with little fear of permanent consequences. The
same can be said for folk with high cholesterol numbers. Statins make it
possible for them to keep on eating foods that are normally unsuitable for
them.

Had Adam been allowed unlimited access to the tree of life, he and his wife
would've no doubt routinely included fruit from the forbidden tree in their
diets because its detrimental effects on their health could've been
easily reversed seeing as according to Rev 22:1-2, the tree is useful for
whatever ails you.
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[montana123]

What was the purpose for the creation of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil? And why was it created and placed on earth?

God had to give Adam and Eve a choice so the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was the choice.

But it would of never entered Adam and Eve's mind to eat of that forbidden tree unless an outside force tempted them so God allowed Satan to tempt Eve and she said they could not eat of the tree.

And then Satan tempted her with an alternate reality that they would be as gods an elevated position from their current position.

Then Eve ate of the tree and the she was the outside source that tempted Adam by showing him she did not die and was alright and Adam ate of the fruit.

 

[one2question]

There were no people until Adam.
So when you say 'as He was never seen before' - seen by who?

Something to keep in mind: the angels saw all these things being created and taking place. So, when we ask why did God put these two trees in the garden, we maybe should not approach the question from such an human-centered perspective. Perhaps God did these things to show them something.

Yes exactly, it was more for the main participating audience being the principalities and powers, the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms, the angels and demons. We humans in our arrogance and self importance can think God's focal point is always us. It's all about me! I'm so glad it isn't. The reality.... Romans 11:36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.

 

[one2question]

God had to give Adam and Eve a choice so the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was the choice.

But it would of never entered Adam and Eve's mind to eat of that forbidden tree unless an outside force tempted them so God allowed Satan to tempt Eve and she said they could not eat of the tree.

And then Satan tempted her with an alternate reality that they would be as gods an elevated position from their current position.

Then Eve ate of the tree and the she was the outside source that tempted Adam by showing him she did not die and was alright and Adam ate of the fruit.

Exactly montana. They were destined to disobey God's command not to eat of that tree. God made a tree that was desirable to the eyes, put it in the 'midst' middle of the garden, then he sent a deceiver the Devil, Satan to earth. God must have known Satan's dark character enough to know the he would try and coerce the human kind to do what the Creator told them not to do. We aren't told how many time it took or how many of these kinds of conversations took place and over what time but the records tell us they eventually they were tempted and being convinced by the Devil they disobeyed God's command.

 

[one2question]

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People tend to take advantage of medicine in order to continue their bad
habits. For example; treatments for STDs enable immoral folk to continue
their swinging life style with little fear of permanent consequences. The
same can be said for folk with high cholesterol numbers. Statins make it
possible for them to keep on eating foods that are normally unsuitable for
them.

Had Adam been allowed unlimited access to the tree of life, he and his wife
would've no doubt routinely included fruit from the forbidden tree in their
diets because its detrimental effects on their health could've been
easily reversed seeing as according to Rev 22:1-2, the tree is useful for
whatever ails you.
_

This tree was good as God made it and when he looked over all that He had created on earth He said it was 'very good'. It didn't seem to have much of a detrimental effect on him and Eve physically as Adam lived to the ripe old age of 930. With all our medical advancements we only live on average to be around a tenth of Adam's age. I'm thinking that if they had access to the tree of life and kept eating it they would be here with us today. Gen 3:22 "He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” Was it the tree in question that caused them to not live forever, that means that they would eventually die (930 years later) or was it not having access to the tree of life of which if they kept eating of it they would prolong life indefinitely (live forever)?

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

What was the purpose for the creation of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil? And why was it created and placed on earth?

The purpose is exactly as the name indicates - knowing good and evil. You know why we're living in the combination of Grave New World and COVID-1984? Because we're ruled by idiots who don't know good and evil. What's good is now evil, what's evil is now good, just as it's said in Isaiah 5:20.

Why was it planted in the Garden of Eden, though? The answer is simple: With great power comes great responsibility. God warned Adam to not eat of it because Adam needed time to grow up. Keep in mind that God's plan for Adam was to subdue the whole earth, Eden was like a wee little lab for a test run, it was like a training session or a boot camp for Adam, or you can understand it as your childhood years under mom and dad's guardianship. When he was ready, then it would be handed to him. However, he couldn't wait, he ate of it before the time was right, he fell to the temptation. As the deadly consequence, sin entered the world. In contrast, Jesus was facing the same temptation at the end of his trial, Satan offered him the whole world, he stood on his ground and passed it.

 

[Magenta]

The world has always had good and evil from the moment of creation.

That is not what the Bible says.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Exactly montana. They were destined to disobey God's command not to eat of that tree. God made a tree that was desirable to the eyes, put it in the 'midst' middle of the garden, then he sent a deceiver the Devil, Satan to earth. God must have known Satan's dark character enough to know the he would try and coerce the human kind to do what the Creator told them not to do. We aren't told how many time it took or how many of these kinds of conversations took place and over what time but the records tell us they eventually they were tempted and being convinced by the Devil they disobeyed God's command.

It's much more than that. In some Jewish legends, Adam was made in God's image, and God ordered all the angels to worship Adam. God knew everything about Satan's rebellious nature, he put Adam in Eden to expose Satan's treachery. Why would Satan set up his image and force everyone on earth to worship that image in Rev. 13? Because that's his counterfeit. He didn't invent it, he learned it from God, and he really thought he could become God.

 

[pottersclay]

According to your Profile Page, you are UNSURE of your Spiritual Status. UNSURE if you are saved or not. In my experiece, those who are UNSURE of their spiritual status are NOT saved. Simply because those who are saved KNOW IT.

Given this, I wonder why you are Authoring Threads here with questions such as this thread? Should you NOT be more concerned with learning how to receive forgiveness and salvation than why a tree was created and placed on earth?

Friend you are way out of line here imo. Someone curiously ask a question and you shut him down like this?
You look at his spiritual status and tell them what they should be asking? Really....

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

There were no people until Adam.
So when you say 'as He was never seen before' - seen by who?

Something to keep in mind: the angels saw all these things being created and taking place. So, when we ask why did God put these two trees in the garden, we maybe should not approach the question from such an human-centered perspective. Perhaps God did these things to show them something.

Well, maybe those two trees were both essential to maintain the ecosystem of the garden. Manipulating the tree of knowledge was like pulling the plug, it immediately caused disaster, and everything went south ever since.

 

[pottersclay]

What was the purpose for the creation of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil? And why was it created and placed on earth?

I guess we could all spectulate on why the tree was in the garden but all the speculations are after thoughts on the events that followed.
But the most amazing thing found is that God was not caught unaware but provided a covering rather than a cursing for man.

 

[one2question]

The purpose is exactly as the name indicates - knowing good and evil. You know why we're living in the combination of Grave New World and COVID-1984? Because we're ruled by idiots who don't know good and evil. What's good is now evil, what's evil is now good, just as it's said in Isaiah 5:20.

Why was it planted in the Garden of Eden, though? The answer is simple: With great power comes great responsibility. God warned Adam to not eat of it because Adam needed time to grow up. Keep in mind that God's plan for Adam was to subdue the whole earth, Eden was like a wee little lab for a test run, it was like a training session or a boot camp for Adam, or you can understand it as your childhood years under mom and dad's guardianship. When he was ready, then it would be handed to him. However, he couldn't wait, he ate of it before the time was right, he fell to the temptation. As the deadly consequence, sin entered the world. In contrast, Jesus was facing the same temptation at the end of his trial, Satan offered him the whole world, he stood on his ground and passed it.

I guess in a way sin had already entered this creation in the form of a being of sin, the ultimate God offender. One could say Satan brought evil to planet earth and specifically into the garden of Eden when he himself entered it even before Eve disobeyed God's command.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

I guess in a way sin had already entered this creation in the form of a being of sin, the ultimate God offender. One could say Satan brought evil to planet earth and specifically into the garden of Eden when he himself entered it even before Eve disobeyed God's command.

Eden was Satan's domain and God knew it. What Satan got was a snake to possess, that's why he was called the most "crafty" among all ANIMALS, and Adam was given dominion over all ANIMALS - including the snake that Satan possessed! That was Adam's first assignment. If he can overcome Satan, then he passed the test, he was worthy to conquer the whole world.

 

[one2question]

Eden was Satan's domain and God knew it. What Satan got was a snake to possess, that's why he was called the most "crafty" among all ANIMALS, and Adam was given dominion over all ANIMALS - including the snake that Satan possessed! That was Adam's first assignment. If he can overcome Satan, then he passed the test, he was worthy to conquer the whole world.

I hear what you are saying here. Unfortunately it wasn't so much Adam but his wife Eve. She touched the tree and even ate the fruit of the tree. I guess Adam failed to keep his wife from disobeying God, but I suppose God didn't say he had dominion over another human, namely his wife. So did Satan possess the male or female snake? Sorry just joking. It probably didn't matter.
Do you think that Adam could've overcome Satan? And what would that have looked like in your opinion?

 

[posthuman]

Had Adam been allowed unlimited access to the tree of life, he and his wife
would've no doubt routinely included fruit from the forbidden tree in their
diets because its detrimental effects on their health could've been
easily reversed seeing as according to Rev 22:1-2, the tree is useful for
whatever ails you.

if eating from the tree of life would have healed them then ((a)) Adam could have just given his wife the antidote instead of joining her in death and spending who-know-how-much-time making fig leaf tunics, and ((b)) God keeping the way to it and casting them out is now cast in the light of not wanting them to be healed.

i think, rather, the opposite makes more sense. that perhaps eating from the tree of life in their death-state would have damned them, in the manner of 'eating of the Lord's supper in a manner unworthy ((1 Corinthians 11:29)). perhaps 'locked them in place' living forever with sin in them.
if Adam knew this, then it makes sense that he prevented his wife from going to the tree of life when he discovered what she had done, and willingly joined her in dying-you-shall-die instead, then occupied themselves with the garment-making and hiding in part to keep themselves from further condemnation. he is afraid when he hears the Lord approaching; he is ashamed. he is not without faculty or understanding.
then too, it makes sense that God casts them out and guards the way to the living tree. it is for our benefit, until The Seed should come, to restore all things, and make open the way so we can be restored through Him, and have life in Him. the old kjv has the translation correct in Genesis 3:24, the cherubim and the omnidirectional Flaming Sword are there to "keep" the way to to the tree of life. not to shut it up, but to preserve it.

 

[posthuman]

Eden was Satan's domain and God knew it. What Satan got was a snake to possess, that's why he was called the most "crafty" among all ANIMALS, and Adam was given dominion over all ANIMALS - including the snake that Satan possessed! That was Adam's first assignment. If he can overcome Satan, then he passed the test, he was worthy to conquer the whole world.

Do you think that Adam could've overcome Satan? And what would that have looked like in your opinion?

i wouldn't agree that the garden of God was Satan's domain -- i think his fall was previous to the creation of earth.
but, to the rest of your point, per 1 TImothy 2:14, Adam was not deceived, and it is Woman who was in transgression - if Adam was accountable for 'failing to prevent Woman from sin' then Adam was first in transgression, and you could accuse God of the same thing for failing to prevent either of them from sin.

there is a reason Satan went after Woman, instead.
whether he had tried & failed to deceive Adam previously, or just knew that he couldn't, is a matter of speculation - but we know that Satan did not deceive Adam.

 

[posthuman]

Yes exactly, it was more for the main participating audience being the principalities and powers, the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms, the angels and demons. We humans in our arrogance and self importance can think God's focal point is always us. It's all about me! I'm so glad it isn't. The reality.... Romans 11:36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.

so what is this demonstrating & teaching to the angels?
the two trees, the naming of the living souls of animals, the creation & the fall of Woman, and the willful entering into death of Adam, for her sake - the deception and the judgement, the promise of The Seed and the unfolding of history..

what is God showing the angels?
IMO it has to be about Christ; it is revealing Him - as all scripture does. it is revealing Christ to the angels, as they see these things play out.

i think the fall of Satan came before these things; along with it Satan's accusation against God. so that these things are the Lord's 'reply' in a sense, to His glory. teaching the angels the mysteries of justice, of mercy, and of death & salvation unto eternal life

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

I hear what you are saying here. Unfortunately it wasn't so much Adam but his wife Eve. She touched the tree and even ate the fruit of the tree. I guess Adam failed to keep his wife from disobeying God, but I suppose God didn't say he had dominion over another human, namely his wife. So did Satan possess the male or female snake? Sorry just joking. It probably didn't matter.
Do you think that Adam could've overcome Satan? And what would that have looked like in your opinion?

Adam could've overcome Satan, but not his wife. Satan was using Eve to get to Adam, that's his tactic - using your friends and families to put peer pressure on you. That's why Jesus warned that he who loves his family more than him is not worthy of being his disciple. As a result, Adam was compromised by undue influence, he did what he knew was wrong.

 

[one2question]

so what is this demonstrating & teaching to the angels?
the two trees, the naming of the living souls of animals, the creation & the fall of Woman, and the willful entering into death of Adam, for her sake - the deception and the judgement, the promise of The Seed and the unfolding of history..

what is God showing the angels?
IMO it has to be about Christ; it is revealing Him - as all scripture does. it is revealing Christ to the angels, as they see these things play out.

i think the fall of Satan came before these things; along with it Satan's accusation against God. so that these things are the Lord's 'reply' in a sense, to His glory. teaching the angels the mysteries of justice, of mercy, and of death & salvation unto eternal life

Yes, Paul agrees with you too. Eph 3: 7-11
7 I became a servant of this gospel by the gift of God’s grace given me through the working of his power. 8 Although I am less than the least of all the Lord’s people, this grace was given me: to preach to the Gentiles the boundless riches of Christ, 9 and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things. 10 His intent was that now, through the church, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms, 11 according to his eternal purpose that he accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord.
This is fantastic news for us too ('the church'), that we get to participate in the process of the revelation of Christ to an incredibly huge audience.

 

[posthuman]

Adam could've overcome Satan, but not his wife. Satan was using Eve to get to Adam, that's his tactic - using your friends and families to put peer pressure on you. That's why Jesus warned that he who loves his family more than him is not worthy of being his disciple. As a result, Adam was compromised by undue influence, he did what he knew was wrong.

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Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother,​

and shall cleave unto his wife​

(Genesis 1:24)​

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who is Adam's father, and who is Adam's mother?
did he leave them, to cling to his wife?

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