Jesu's commandments ... not Moses .... you have not obeyed His commandments for He said you must be born again.From the human standpoint, the Gospel has always been easily condensed down to this: "If ye love Me, keep My commandments".
THE TRAGEDY OF MODERN EVANGELISM
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Ahhh . . . yes, and we must turn from un-belief to belief . . . however, only God gives the necessary faith to be saved. He gives grace, faith and the gift of eternal life.
It's all . . . Him!
Well said. There were people preaching the truth then, and we are still preaching it today. The false gospel of "Life Enhancement" has seduced almost the entire Christian world today.Hello Phoneman-777, theologian/pastor A. W. Pink addressed this very issue not long after the turn of the 20th Century saying (in small part),
If someone (who claims to be a Christian) is interested in all of the benefits/blessings that God has to offer them, but they, at the same time, have no desire to be (as Pink says) "delivered from their carnality and worldliness" in this life/do not want, with all of their hearts, to please, honor and glorify God in all that they do/say (and even think) in the here and now, then chances are good that their "claim" of having become a Christian is, sadly, nothing more than that
~Deut
p.s. - in saying all that I just did above, I believe that it is also important to remember that our obedience to God is the result or fruit of our salvation, never the cause of it, and that from first to last/from justification to glorification. We are saved by faith in the works that Christ did for us .. alone, IOW, by His shed blood/death on the Cross in our stead, as well by His having lived a perfectly righteous life before His Father on our behalf, the life that we were supposed to live before Him, but could not .. cf 2 Corinthians 5:21.
One wonders how the same folks who are not willing to tolerate even one instance of marital infidelity (much less habitual infidelity) are demanding God put up with their habitual, known, deliberate, presumptuous infidelity day in and day out, as if His Word is null and void and His bark is worse than His bite.
Actually the "gospel" which YOU preach is all about life enhancement by obedience to Moses. Strict obedience to the law is your watchword.
We preach LIFE, even Christ's own life in the soul. This life is eternal life, it is a gift to be received by faith.
Remind us who the "we" are when you say "we are still preaching it today" are you not trying to steal sheep for the SDA by this propagandist thread in the newbie section?
Jesus said in order to be saved we must not steal, lie, kill, etc. It's not absence of stealing, lying, killing that saves us, but Christ enthroned on the heart, the fruit of which is the absence of stealing, lying, killing, etc.
Boldly insisting the definition of a saving relationship with Jesus is limited to "believe" or "trust in Him" or "faith in Jesus" while intentionally ignoring the expanded definition of it that He and those He inspired preached -- "repentance" and "keep My commandments" and "sin no more" and "when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and commiteth iniquity...in his sin shall he die" and "he that keepeth not His commandments is a LIAR and the truth is not in him", etc. -- is an exercise in self delusion.
No, the false gospel you preach promises life to those whose hands you strengthen to continue in sin by not warning them of the consequences of impenitence, and at the same time you condemn righteous Christian men who sound the warning of such a false gospel....they were doing it back in the days of Israel just as you do today:
Ezekiel 13 KJV
[22] Because with lies ye have made the heart of the righteous sad, whom I have not made sad; and strengthened the hands of the wicked, that he should not return from his wicked way, by promising him life:
You ignore James and teach that the sinner can by dead faith obtain that which can only be obtained by what James calls living faith: eternal life.
Give the exact quote where Jesus in order to be saved we must not steal, lie, kill etc
By saying "expanded definition" you mean man's commentary upon God's word.
We have God's word, then we have what men THINK it means ... or in your case women [Ellen White] God's word does not need this commentary, it doesn't need explaining, interpreting. It just needs to be believed in.
Until you are born again you can't even see the Kingdom of Heaven.
Arthur W. Pink said the same thing I said in the OP. According to Wiki, Pink was likely a Congregationalist who was previously a high initiate of the Theosophical Society and highly recommended by supersonic Luciferian Annie Besant before renouncing his involvement in such satanic agencies and turning to evangelical Christianity. He turned from the lies of Satan long before you picked them up and continued spreading them by your false gospel, friend. Will you too repent?
I warn of the consequences of not repenting and unbelief. Repenting means to change the mind, it means heart change. It means to turn around. Without repentence there is no remission of sin.
Unbelief is when folks do not believe the GOOD NEWS of the Kingdom of God, do not believe in the new birth, do not believe that all our sins are washed away at the cross.
Now if our sins are washed away at the cross ... how can we still be doing them?
Christ bore our sins, He died, He was buried so where are our sins? they are dead and buried with Him and we have arisen with Him to walk in newness of life.
All these GOOD NEWS fact are absent from your gospel.
I'm not surprised you don't know where to find this in Scripture. Those who bang the drum of OSAS know just enough Scripture to get them into deep trouble, but not nearly enough to get them out.
Arthur W Pink [beloved by many sincere brethren] went off beam. He was hyper Calvinist with a capital H.
That doesn't mean everything he preached was wrong, he preached alot of good stuff ... but he needs a caution.
YOU are not a follower of Pink or Calvin you are a follower of Ellen White.
I preach Jesus saves. I challenge anyone to deny that.
I see you're asking yet another question to which the answer is found right there in the OP...but no matter, I'll accommodate you, friend
"What the Gospel does provide is the power to "endure to the end" that we "shall be saved". Endure what? If the church would truly embrace the message of the Gospel and what it truly means to "believe on Him" - to "obey His every word" - they would soon discover the answer: that what we must endure is the wrath of our satanic enemy who hates with intense hatred those who make a break from obeying him and choose instead to love and obey God."
Your faith is dead
You say you believe Jesus died for your sins but you don't act like it [works]
Your doctrine shows that you have not received full remission, that your sins have not been born away, that you have not received new inner life, that you are not risen with Christ to walk in this new life.
Your WHOLE concern is with sin. You need the law to control it.
Eat the watermelon, spit out the seeds. What he got right was his insistence that salvation is not only from hell, but from sin, as well. Of course, those who love sin don't want to be saved from it, just the eternal consequences of it. They will receive neither.
Just when one thinks he's got an understanding of how effective Satan is at blinding his prey, you go and say that. In your satanic blindness, you are saying the exact OPPOSITE of what James says:
"Faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone...show me your 'faith' without works and I'll show you my faith BY MY WORKS" is what the prophet said.
Have done with sin
If you are done with sin you don't need the law do you.
"if we say we have not sinned we call God a liar, if we confess our sins
God is faithful and just to forgive our sins
and cleanse us of all unrighteousness"
Are you cleansed of all unrighteousness today? what need then do you need a law to say thou shalt not steal, thou shalt not kill?
It's not just a belief with us, belief was just the way we came to God and did actually RECEIVE this pardon, this cleansing. It was faith, now it is a fact.
how about you?
Yes but your works show that you still have sin for you hope that by keeping the law you will be saved. But you can't keep the law.
It's a merry - go - round you jump on and you fall off.
Have done with sin altogether ... take them to Jesus on the cross. Get clean. He will impart to you NEW LIFE, you' ll be made anew.
According to the Feds, Christian Fundamentalists are considered terrorists LOL