Does anyone know the history of the book referred to today as the Holy Bible?

[Amanuensis]

You keep implying that there were churches. Yes there were local churches. But they were all in unity under the Church that Jesus founded. Jesus didn't found multiple churches, in fact He found only one church, His Church. Try and find that Church, ther are no others.

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[Magenta]

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I thought that was Hebrew at first

 

[Amanuensis]

Hebrews is definitely written by the Apostle Paul.

Paul is the apostle who always goes deep into the Blood of Jesus, as His Gospel of the Grace of God.
He's very literal when talking about how this BLOOD BLOOD BLOOD BLOOD of CHRIST: is the Gift of God that is the Blood Atonement.
No other Apostle is so literal and so vivid when they talk about Salvation being about the BLOOD of God who hung on The Cross.
So, when you get into Hebrews, especially from chapters 6-12, there is a lot of pure Pauline Theology in there, that is always the way he describes this beautiful Blood Atonement that is the Grace of God.

But there is even more to prove that Paul wrote Hebrews..

If you read Chapter 10, where Paul is having a real difficult situation with some Christ rejecting Hebrews, who are told they are "trodding underfoot the blood of Jesus"....and crucifying Him afresh with their UNBELIEF""... (there is that Blood again)....... and then you go to Acts 28. and read the last 10 verses......
You'll discover that Paul is again dealing with Christ rejecting Hebrews, exactly as he dealt with them in Hebrews Chapter 10, but this time, he tells them....'im done.... you wont listen, and i'll go now to the GENTILES".
And who is the Gentile Apostle?
Thats Paul. The same one who is talking to Christ rejecting Hebrews in Chapter 10.......and again in Acts 28

Here is another one you might like.

Paul said he signed off his letters this way...

2 Thess 3:16-18
...The Lord be with you all.
17The salutation of Paul with mine own hand, which is the token in every epistle: so I write.
18The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

And then look at the last verse of Hebrews .. 13:25 Grace be with you all

It might not be proof but it is a strong reason to add on the side of the Pauline column don't you think?

(side humor... someone was upset recently that a preacher was trying to say Paul was a woman because he said the writing was by Pauline) hehehe. cracked me up.

 

[JohnDB]

Hebrews is definitely written by the Apostle Paul.

Paul is the apostle who always goes deep into the Blood of Jesus, as His Gospel of the Grace of God.
He's very literal when talking about how this BLOOD BLOOD BLOOD BLOOD of CHRIST: is the Gift of God that is the Blood Atonement.
No other Apostle is so literal and so vivid when they talk about Salvation being about the BLOOD of God who hung on The Cross.
So, when you get into Hebrews, especially from chapters 6-12, there is a lot of pure Pauline Theology in there, that is always the way he describes this beautiful Blood Atonement that is the Grace of God.

But there is even more to prove that Paul wrote Hebrews..

If you read Chapter 10, where Paul is having a real difficult situation with some Christ rejecting Hebrews, who are told they are "trodding underfoot the blood of Jesus"....and crucifying Him afresh with their UNBELIEF""... (there is that Blood again)....... and then you go to Acts 28. and read the last 10 verses......
You'll discover that Paul is again dealing with Christ rejecting Hebrews, exactly as he dealt with them in Hebrews Chapter 10, but this time, he tells them....'im done.... you wont listen, and i'll go now to the GENTILES".
And who is the Gentile Apostle?
Thats Paul. The same one who is talking to Christ rejecting Hebrews in Chapter 10.......and again in Acts 28

Actually it's likely it was Bartholomew or Barnabus. (I'm forgetting which)

Paul says it's him in each of his letters and starts them off with a prayer. Also Paul closes with personal notes.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Hebrews is definitely written by the Apostle Paul.

Paul is the apostle who always goes deep into the Blood of Jesus, as His Gospel of the Grace of God.
He's very literal when talking about how this BLOOD BLOOD BLOOD BLOOD of CHRIST: is the Gift of God that is the Blood Atonement.
No other Apostle is so literal and so vivid when they talk about Salvation being about the BLOOD of God who hung on The Cross.
So, when you get into Hebrews, especially from chapters 6-12, there is a lot of pure Pauline Theology in there, that is always the way he describes this beautiful Blood Atonement that is the Grace of God.

But there is even more to prove that Paul wrote Hebrews..

If you read Chapter 10, where Paul is having a real difficult situation with some Christ rejecting Hebrews, who are told they are "trodding underfoot the blood of Jesus"....and crucifying Him afresh with their UNBELIEF""... (there is that Blood again)....... and then you go to Acts 28. and read the last 10 verses......
You'll discover that Paul is again dealing with Christ rejecting Hebrews, exactly as he dealt with them in Hebrews Chapter 10, but this time, he tells them....'im done.... you wont listen, and i'll go now to the GENTILES".
And who is the Gentile Apostle?
Thats Paul. The same one who is talking to Christ rejecting Hebrews in Chapter 10.......and again in Acts 28

This is plausible but the reason I say people debate is because Paul did not assign his name like all of his other letters. So technically we can assume but ultimately never 100% know.

 

[James94]

I don't remember anything from school, so feel free to ignore me. BUT in high school mom made me read "Evidence that demands a verdict" by Josh McDowell. A very informative study on what we call the Bible. Can't recommend it enough

 

[Amanuensis]

This is plausible but the reason I say people debate is because Paul did not assign his name like all of his other letters. So technically we can assume but ultimately never 100% know.

Let's look at how he signs off on the others.

Romans 16:20...The grace of our Lord Jesus be with you

1 cor 16:23 The grace of the Lord Jesus be with you.

2 Cor 13:13 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the lovea of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all

Gal 5:18 Brothers and sisters, the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit

Eph 6:24 Grace be with all who have undying love for our Lord Jesus Christ.

Phil 4:23 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit

Col 4:18 I, Paul, am writing this greeting with my own hand. Remember my chains. Grace be with you

1 Thess 5:28 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you.

2 Thess 3:16-18 The Lord be with all of you.c 17I, Paul, am writing this greeting with my own hand, which is an authenticating mark in every letter; this is how I write. 18The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all (Does he mean "The grace of our Lord be with you all" as the token/mark?)

1 Tim 6:21 Grace be with you all.

2 Tim 4: 22The Lord be with your spirit. Grace be with you all.

Titus 3: 15 Grace be with all of you.

Phm 1:25 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit

Heb 13:25 Grace be with you all.

It appears that his method of signing off was the "Grace be with you all" or something close and for that reason along with other reasons. such as content that is similar in other letters, Hebrews is written by Paul and he signed off in that token that he was known for as he mentioned it in 2 Thess 3:16-18.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Let's look at how he signs off on the others.

Romans 16:20...The grace of our Lord Jesus be with you

1 cor 16:23 The grace of the Lord Jesus be with you.

2 Cor 13:13 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the lovea of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all

Gal 5:18 Brothers and sisters, the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit

Eph 6:24 Grace be with all who have undying love for our Lord Jesus Christ.

Phil 4:23 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit

Col 4:18 I, Paul, am writing this greeting with my own hand. Remember my chains. Grace be with you

1 Thess 5:28 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you.

2 Thess 3:16-18 The Lord be with all of you.c 17I, Paul, am writing this greeting with my own hand, which is an authenticating mark in every letter; this is how I write. 18The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all (Does he mean "The grace of our Lord be with you all" as the token/mark?)

1 Tim 6:21 Grace be with you all.

2 Tim 4: 22The Lord be with your spirit. Grace be with you all.

Titus 3: 15 Grace be with all of you.

Phm 1:25 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit

Heb 13:25 Grace be with you all.

It appears that his method of signing off was the "Grace be with you all" or something close and for that reason along with other reasons. such as content that is similar in other letters, Hebrews is written by Paul and he signed off in that token that he was known for as he mentioned it in 2 Thess 3:16-18.

This is what I meant:

Romans 1
New International Version

1 Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle and set apart for the gospel of God—


1 Corinthians 1
New International Version

1 Paul, called to be an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, and our brother Sosthenes,


Hebrews 1
New International Version

1 In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways,

 

[cv5]

Hebrews is definitely written by the Apostle Paul.

Paul is the apostle who always goes deep into the Blood of Jesus, as His Gospel of the Grace of God.
He's very literal when talking about how this BLOOD BLOOD BLOOD BLOOD of CHRIST: is the Gift of God that is the Blood Atonement.
No other Apostle is so literal and so vivid when they talk about Salvation being about the BLOOD of God who hung on The Cross.
So, when you get into Hebrews, especially from chapters 6-12, there is a lot of pure Pauline Theology in there, that is always the way he describes this beautiful Blood Atonement that is the Grace of God.

But there is even more to prove that Paul wrote Hebrews..

If you read Chapter 10, where Paul is having a real difficult situation with some Christ rejecting Hebrews, who are told they are "trodding underfoot the blood of Jesus"....and crucifying Him afresh with their UNBELIEF""... (there is that Blood again)....... and then you go to Acts 28. and read the last 10 verses......
You'll discover that Paul is again dealing with Christ rejecting Hebrews, exactly as he dealt with them in Hebrews Chapter 10, but this time, he tells them....'im done.... you wont listen, and i'll go now to the GENTILES".
And who is the Gentile Apostle?
Thats Paul. The same one who is talking to Christ rejecting Hebrews in Chapter 10.......and again in Acts 28

Highly unlikely. Hebrews 2:3 seems to indicate that the writer is not a first-hand apostle. The author was probably an highly educated Hellenized Jew of Rome. With superb Greek diction. Possibly written by an amanuensis or from compiled notes. A friend of Timothy 13:23. Probably written from Rome 13:24.

Truly an amazing book. I am quite literally amazed every time I read from it. Which is not often enough.

 

[cv5]

Actually it's likely it was Bartholomew or Barnabus. (I'm forgetting which)

Paul says it's him in each of his letters and starts them off with a prayer. Also Paul closes with personal notes.

Likely candidates are Barnabus Apollos Priscilla Aquila. Paul calls Timothy his son everywhere else other than Hebrews. I believe all four are of Jewish stock, hellenized. Definitely Barnabus and Apollos are Jews thats for sure. If I were to venture a guess I would say Apollos.

 

[kaylagrl]

You say, "A really good book on this subject is "Evidence that Demands a Verdict" I had it." This would indicate to me that you don't take the Bible as your authority but the thoughts and interpretations of those that write their opinions about it.

Well, you could simply ask me, instead of putting words in my mouth. Have you never read the book? No. So you have no idea what it's about. When you read it, then you can have an opinion on it.

 

[kaylagrl]

Jesus only founded one Church. And He promised to send the Holy Spirit to His Church, that Jesus would be with His Church til the end of time, and that the gates of hell would not prevail against it. So, find that Church. Hint, it wasn't the Pentacostal church, the Baptist church, the Methodist, the Anglican church, the Lutheran church etc............ad nauseum. Those all have human founders. Jesus only founded one Church, His Church, try and find it.

Hint, it isn't a denomination at all. And it sure isn't a church run by a Pope. You don't have to "try and find it" it's all over the world. Those who follow Christ.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Well, you could simply ask me, instead of putting words in my mouth. Have you never read the book? No. So you have no idea what it's about. When you read it, then you can have an opinion on it.

I love Evidence that demands a verdict. That is one thick of a book.

 

[Beckie]

Duh guys it is Gods' Word

 

[kaylagrl]

I love Evidence that demands a verdict. That is one thick of a book.

It is but it's a great tool in evangelizing. Apologetics really interest me. I'm pretty good at remembering facts so it's a great help when talking to unbelievers.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

It is but it's a great tool in evangelizing. Apologetics really interest me. I'm pretty good at remembering facts so it's a great help when talking to unbelievers.

I absolutely agree. I love apologetics and having a answer to almost everything. I was just using that book as a resource when evangelizing to a friend 2 weeks ago.

 

[cv5]

Sorry, but you are off by about 100 years for Moses. See below:

Expanded Timeline for Senenmut and Moses
1523b. Moses, Exodus 2; found by pharaoh’s daughter Hatshepsut when she was 12 years old.
Dates based on Chronicle of the Pharaohs Peter A. Clayton (New York: Thames & Hudson; 2006)
http://www.prophecysociety.org/?p=6442

I have not checked on Abraham but that too is probably incorrect.

Great info here. Hope it helps. Didimose II is the pharaoh of the Exodus.

https://av1611.com/forums/showpost.php?p=23974&postcount=4

https://www.barrysetterfield.org/Egypt_and_Exodus.html

 

[cv5]

Great info here. Hope it helps. Didimose II is the pharaoh of the Exodus.

https://av1611.com/forums/showpost.php?p=23974&postcount=4

https://www.barrysetterfield.org/Egypt_and_Exodus.html

Sorry.....Dudimose II

 

[one2question]

There are revelations in the bible that will be revealed if you do what the Lord has told you. If we don't do the last thing that the Lord has told us we will expereince "dry spells" in our illumination and understanding. A stunted growth will occur. We can also have darkness instead of light because we are infected by the leaven of hypocrisy and bad teaching motivated by fear of man and dishonest heart will not produce the fruit we long for. (parable of the sower is about how to have revelation in the Word of God and it is directly associate with the condition of the heart)

The key to illumination and understanding and revelation in the word of God is to do what the Lord has already told you.

If we do, we will experience a brand new book. Illumination will pour forth and the heavens will open.

Yes you are right it has everything to do with relationship, and obedience IS relationship.

When Jesus natural relations were outside trying to get in and someone told him "your mother and brothers want to see you" He said, Those that DO THE Will of my Father are my mothers and brothers, and in another place when they said that his mother who bore him was blessed, He said, "Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it.” . And this is the key to Revelation and illumination and RELATIONSHIP with Christ.

Examine yourself and ask.. "What is the last thing that I know that the Lord was telling me to do? Have I done that? Am I doing that?" If there is any doubt about it, rush to deal with it in such a way that by next week you can say "i know now that I am doing that" and then see if you don't suddenly have revelation in the Word like never before. And if this happens for you NEVER forget this lesson. It will help you for the rest of your journey.

Excellent words of encouragement brother. Accepted, now practising and have been sharing this very thing with others. The thing God has asked me to do I have been doing actually I am doing right now on in this chat group. Thanks again.

 

[one2question]

This is plausible but the reason I say people debate is because Paul did not assign his name like all of his other letters. So technically we can assume but ultimately never 100% know.

Is there any implications to the authority of the bible if Hebrews was written not by Paul (Apostle) but a non Apostle?