Do you believe in (OSAS) Once Saved, Always Saved?

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I sorry to tell that scripture does not indicate that nor has that ever been a centralized tenet of the faith. You’re taking about hypocrisy. We are all hypocrites in one form or another. Are you saying you don’t sin?
I'm not sorry to tell you that the scripture does indeed indicate this. Also I am not saying that, what I am saying is their doctrine is just that, a doctrine, and it's not true in the Bible or in reality. Don't get me twisted, faith is good, have faith, but understand what faith is. We all must run the race and endure to the end in hopes of obtaining the prize.
 
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Like all of you on this chat board, I hold that Scripture, the Bible Old and New Testament, are God's truth and God's word to us.
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Yet I have a very serious question. Of what value is the Bible to us if we all interpret it differently. As evidenced on this board none of us can agree with other on so many major issues....ie...OSAS /tribulation/justification/baptism....etc on and on. For instance, how many times has OSAS been brought up on this board, with full discussion, and with the Bible as the reference? And still no concensus!

Yet we all say that our beliefs come from the Bible and we bandy about quotes and excerpts to try and prove our points. The fact is that if we are believing in the Bible and interpreting it differently in so many ways, THEN MANY OF US HAVE TO BE WRONG!

What is the problem? Do we interpret Scripture as to how we want Scripture to read. Do we interpret Scripture as to how our pastor taught us to interpret it? Do we interpret Scripture literally or do we add our own opinions as to what Scripture should be?

So many of us have different truths from reading the same Scripture. But there aren't many different truths, only one truth, God's truth. That would mean that many of us are living with lies/untruths in our faith. What's wrong with this picture?

What good is the Bible if we can't interpret it?

Attaining consensus in Christianity in 2022 is a challenge because of several things, among which is ........many different bibles which have been slanted towards an agenda...and it is not God's agenda.

Broken down this way;

Convicted Christians
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New age religion types (radical leftists)

Further;

Purpose miss interpretations of clear scriptures to support an agenda.

Committed Christians will never give in to acts of intimidation, coercion, PC efforts, etc ..........by the radical left and properly so.

Seen here on this forum....big time.

I never understood the northern UK conflict between christian ideologies......I sure do now.
 

posthuman

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you don't want to end up like Ananias and Sapphira for they knew Jesus too.
did they?

who are the men that carried them out?

why is this related in conjunction with a Levite ((who is not supposed to own land)) selling land? ((Acts 4:36-37))

are they true believers who made one little backsliding mistake and were struck dead for it, losing the promise God Himself made to them?
or are they wolves sent by the pharisees, sadducees & herodians to trap Peter just as they had tried to trap Christ?
 
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How do you live a righteous life without being led by the Spirit?
I doubt one can...the reason Christ said..............." I will send you a comforter".

To a convicted Christian the likes of Satan attacks is very uncomfortable...for fear of our failure to endure/maintain.
 

Aerials1978

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I'm not sorry to tell you that the scripture does indeed indicate this. Also I am not saying that, what I am saying is their doctrine is just that, a doctrine, and it's not true in the Bible or in reality. Don't get me twisted, faith is good, have faith, but understand what faith is. We all must run the race and endure to the end in hopes of obtaining the prize.
Ahh no. Paul disagrees and so do I:

But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved.”

So again, what do you do to ensure you’re in Gods good grace? You have to have methodology since you are not convinced. In words what do you do to keep yourself out of trouble?
 
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did they?

who are the men that carried them out?

why is this related in conjunction with a Levite ((who is not supposed to own land)) selling land?

are they true believers who made one little backsliding mistake and were struck dead for it, losing the promise God Himself made to them?
or are they wolves sent by the pharisees, sadducees & herodians to trap Peter just as they had tried to trap Christ?
They didn't make one little mistake lol, they thought they could lie to the Holy Spirit. How wrong they were! There is a fair few examples of people in the Bible that knew God, knew his promises, even received the Holy Spirit, started well even were heroic in the faith, and then, fell. King Saul is in my opinion the most tragic of the examples and the most fleshed out too.
 
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Ahh no. Paul disagrees and so do I:

But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved.”

So again, what do you do to ensure you’re in Gods good grace? You have to have methodology since you are not convinced. In words what do you do to keep yourself out of trouble?
Paul said work out your salvation with fear and trembling. Paul also is the one that gave the most excellent analogy of running the race.
 
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I am reading a salvation of :

I maintain. I repent I hold my salvation I meet the challenge ..
The Word says
Eph_2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
"Faith without works is dead".
 

Aerials1978

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Paul said work out your salvation with fear and trembling. Paul also is the one that gave the most excellent analogy of running the race.
Yes, he did say that. He was indicating that sanctification is like a long marathon. It pretty much takes our entire earthly
life. Treat it like you’re running for the ultimate prize. He is not advocating a works based salvation. If you believe that, you might as well throw out 80% of everything he said with regards to it. And you’re still avoiding answering my question about yourself.
 
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Yes, he did say that. He was indicating that sanctification is like a long marathon. It pretty much takes our entire earthly
life. Treat it like you’re running for the ultimate prize. He is not advocating a works based salvation. If you believe that, you might as well throw out 80% of everything he said with regards to it. And you’re still avoiding answering my question about yourself.
I answered your question.

Run the race of faith, obtain the crown. Very simple. Who said anything about works?
 
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where do you get that they were heroes of the faith who had the Spirit of God dwelling in their hearts?
King Saul started very faithfully, even had the Holy Spirit, and he ended not so much. Best example, the whole book of 1 Samuel tells the tragedy.
 
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Today I am saved. Tomorrow I will be saved and I am being saved. Presently I am saved. For today is the day of Salvation.
Not if you are here on thsi earth.e
Please explain...if you are ..... saved........ here on earth...please explain to me what God is judging you for after death?
Remember..."it is appointed unto man once to die ........and then the judgment".

While here on earth we are .......born again....if we have repented, been baptized and are living a righteous life per God's commandments..
 

arthurfleminger

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The text below is in the past tense.

Romans 10:13
For “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

God does not lie.

If you believe in Jesus Christ then you are saved. To not believe that Jesus has saved you forever, is the work of the devil.
You are so wrong as you cherry pick and quote from scripture and pull it out of context to make it adhere to your beliefs. How wrong is that? Shame on you for trying to make Scripture your word and not God's word.

In fact, Jesus Himself denies what you post, ""Not everyone who calls me 'Lord, Lord' will enter the Kingdom of heaven, but only those who do what my Father in heaven wants them to do. "
 

arthurfleminger

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You are so wrong as you cherry pick and quote from scripture and pull it out of context to make it adhere to your beliefs. How wrong is that? Shame on you for trying to make Scripture your word and not God's word.

In fact, Jesus Himself denies what you post, ""Not everyone who calls me 'Lord, Lord' will enter the Kingdom of heaven, but only those who do what my Father in heaven wants them to do. "

How much clearer could Jesus have made it? One has to be thick or unbelieving to not understand, ""Not everyone who calls me 'Lord, Lord' will enter the Kingdom of heaven, but only those who do what my Father in heaven wants them to do. "
 

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Two reasons I would say. The first would be a warning, a sign to look out for, amid those who claim to be of the faith yet do not change their ways at all.
Evedence therefore that someone is not saved when they still sin as openly as they did prior. Thinking they've assumed some security blanket that will keep them out of trouble when they're dead as if the label saves .

And secondly, in the case of some church authorities and denominations, OSAS is refuted by some passages interjected by said church whose authorities have a vested financial interest in keeping their faithful dependent on the church as their link to remain in grace.

Which is why I have always said, finding out how the bible was compiled, by whom, and the many edits , omissions and additions, added to the book over a period of more than 1200 years, and 40 different authors, and numerous councils decreeing what would be allowed and what not in the final draft is imperative to understand why there is so much contradiction in the new testament.

Which is why Omniscient God foreseeing this to come tells us not to believe every spirit but to test them and see if their teaching comports with the spirit ofThe Word. Because in the last days, those days being from the moment Jesus ascended promising to return when the father alone knows and wills, there will be false prophets and teachers seeking to deceive even the elect.

There are many a Christian who will say they believe in the bible.

The bible does not save us. Believing in God and discerning his consistent message, which is in scripture by his power and authority is what leads us to him.

God's breath, The Word, that is God. Not script on a page. God in the book showing us his message there. Unable to be abrogated or corrupted by politics and selfish acts of men and their profile that is akin to autodeism, do exist. And are consistent in the very simplistic message of truth and eternal life.

God saves.

God leads us to himself and we are eternally saved, forgiven, irrevocably, the moment we believe. Because faith/belief and Salvation are irrevocable gifts of God through his grace.

He forgives our sins eternally. No longer are we dead in them as worldly sinners. We are instead reborn from the wellspring of living water that is indwelling holy spirit. That enters us the moment we receive the gift of faith and irrevocable Salvation.
Thirsty as damned sinners. Quenched and regenerated as new creations, those born again, in the grace of the living water that is Savior, who with his blood washed us clean the moment we accepted his sacrifice for our sins reunited us with our source, God.

Shattering the veil this world's trappings dropped over our consciousness. Leading us to believe flesh was sovereign and carnal worldly drives were sustenance. And all there is.

Now we know better.

The veil is lifted. The Son shines upon our faces and souls. And with God's holy spirit leading our steps we are not alone. We can face anything.

Which is why we're told, and this is the true meaning of those passages, if we persevere to the end of our lives, face what comes, we shall be blessed. Take heart, follow through, face life. Because we bear the armor of God and do not walk alone. We are eternally safe and protected, no matter what. Because we are holy,temples, carrying spirit within us. We are flesh,soul,spirit. ALL is of and from God.
When we received God's free gift, that Jesus paid for with his life, we were sealed eternally with the holy spirit that entered us and revived and refreshed body,mind,spirit,soul. An ongoing bubbling spring of living water within us. Never ever to thirst for truth,sanctity,peace,or righteous guidance again.

Even if life kills us, we win! ❤️ Because we were eternally alive through it all. And this life is God's journey as creator and creation. We are,as he tells us, one with God.

In truth we could never have been anything else or anything less. Because all that is, as we read in the beginning, is created by and from the creator.

Thinking the world
all important and all there is is an illusion. Just as is thinking we were ever separated from our source.
Salvation means we're rescued from that dread filled illusion.

The blood of a man murdered by a worldly authority of both teme and state. A man who died at their hands as all men did.

But then resurrected as more than the flesh and blood he laid down as sacrifice on that altar those men errected. Unbeknownst to them, they created the altar that ended their dominion illusion.

That man paid the price that took the sins of the world upon himself. Showing us the fallible flesh will suffer, err, and die.

While the truth lives eternally. We are more than flesh,blood,sinew, and bone.

God breathed, God's breath, into the nostrils of Adam, "Adamu" , and he became a living soul.

God has always been with us. Salvation is when the skin of this worldly perspective we wear upon our self is laid down and returned to the dust, right perspective, from which it sprang . And what resurrects from that state of death thinking the world and our thoughts about it and our place in it are all there is and that's life, is the new born creation in Christ. Born again means we know we are in God and God is with-in us.

And no one can take us from his hand.Ever. Because God is all there is.

Think you need water emersion to secure salvation? You are water!
By God's will and creation the human body is 3/4th's water. Living water.

3/4th's of the earth surface is living water.

Awakening to the awareness of God within fills that 1/4 gap. Now you know!
You are more. You are filled with the source of all life and creation.


Glorious!💕🌈💕
I set my GBoard to auto correct but apparently missed something. Me and the G.lol

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The blood of a man murdered by a worldly authority of both teme and state. A man who died at their hands as all men did.

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The blood of a man murdered by a worldly authority of both the church and state. A man who died at their hands as all men did.
 

posthuman

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King Saul started very faithfully, even had the Holy Spirit, and he ended not so much. Best example, the whole book of 1 Samuel tells the tragedy.
What makes you think Ananias and Saphira were heroes of the faith, having the Spirit of God dwelling in their hearts?
 
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What makes you think Ananias and Saphira were heroes of the faith, having the Spirit of God dwelling in their hearts?
I said some of the people in the Bible were heroic in the faith before they turned against God, don't get me twisted.

Nevertheless Ananias and Sapphira were believers, this is known, and they lied to the Holy Spirit and dropped dead.