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Anyone want to discuss Arminianism? Thinking about it, it seems to me that discussion is hard to come by around here unless included as a byline in a Calvinist thread.
Just wondering about thoughts on that.
Just wondering about thoughts on that.
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I'm really not trying to pick on you, but sanctification is not something we arrive at when we arrive at spiritual maturity. Sanctification means to be set apart and it is an ongoing process. We grow in our relationship with Christ and that is the process of sanctification but we are justified in Christ and were a person to die one day after accepting Christ, they would be sanctified in Him.
I agree with all the above.
Arminians are falsely accused of promoting salvation-by-works heresy. The Bible is clear that we are saved by grace and nothing else. In desperation, Calvinists manufacture strawmen in order to derail seekers and funnel them into their own camp.
A good definition for Arminianism might be anti-Calvinism. It lets people know that you have nothing to do with Calvinistic heresy.
Granted, it is always best to just identify as Christian.
Don't all doctrines and denominations arrive using the scriptures as their foundation?
From what I've read God does predestine things. We plan but he determines our path.
If I insist I have complete free will and my life sucks, isn't that saying God sees that and does nothing to help?
And wouldn't that mean God doesn't intercede? Which makes prayer worthless.
Or, is God wholly sovereign over his creation? That he made to be imperfect.
Besides, all the prophecies in the Bible tell us God's preplanned those things. Those then? But nothing else?
How can our will overcome Gods? If our will does us harm and God doesn't intercede being he's omniscient, can he then be Omni benevolent?
From what I've read God does predestine things. We plan but he determines our path.
If I insist I have complete free will and my life sucks, isn't that saying God sees that and does nothing to help?
And wouldn't that mean God doesn't intercede? Which makes prayer worthless.
Or, is God wholly sovereign over his creation? That he made to be imperfect.
Besides, all the prophecies in the Bible tell us God's preplanned those things. Those then? But nothing else?
How can our will overcome Gods? If our will does us harm and God doesn't intercede being he's omniscient, can he then be Omni benevolent?
yes his conclusions are erroneous from the foundations of his philosophy. In that his basics is man is incapable of doing good invapable of making a free choice when tempted not to act on it
his basis is that man has no role , no culpability and those damned have no choice God just created then to punish evil ect ultimately it goes to the basis for the great grace lie
Well - said -- though the captain of the boat does all he can to keep them on board - his love, persuasion, and kindness is impeccable and almost irresistable . . .
but the captain is not a tyrant - he does not tie up and keep as prisoners those who want off the ship
they do many just distort them to make the scripture seem to support thier view for instance
“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast.”
Ephesians 2:8-9 KJV
many use this scripture and make it the basis for the reason to omit the rest of the New Testament saying “ grace means warranted favor “ therefore nothing you do or don’t do applies “
scripture has a clear and consistent message throughout but when we pluck verses from the context we can aim it towards any direction as long as other scripture is excluded seeming to contradict leaving no thought of how the points reconcile instead grace erases the ones they they don’t want to hear or don’t agree with their conceived idea of what they thought it had said
So the believer has no option given him to leave Christ??!!!: I disagree, and I know (and I bet every person knows very well) that I (and he) have the moral capability to choose today to leave Christ, to go out and sin rdiculously, and to become a "Hitler"
But I have become a servant of Jesus Christ by choice, not by compulsion!!!! PTL!
Only if we yield to Him.
If you have been given over to a reprobate mind, then yes.
Not for the wicked.
Sometimes God's answer is no. He knows best.
Yes.
No. It is we who made it imperfect.
God had foreknowledge of those things.
The correct word is reject.
Sounds like you haven't read your Bible...
Hebrews 10:31
It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
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"Bluesproverb, post: 4870195, member: 316904"]Don't all doctrines and denominations arrive using the scriptures as their foundation?
From what I've read God does predestine things. We plan but he determines our path.
Not quite. There are numerous instances in scripture where people pray for direction or the scripture indicates we choose
If I insist I have complete free will and my life sucks, isn't that saying God sees that and does nothing to help?
And wouldn't that mean God doesn't intercede? Which makes prayer worthless.
Well if you have complete free will, why would God do anything? Then again if you have that free will, you can pray. Neither view is correct.
Or, is God wholly sovereign over his creation? That he made to be imperfect.
Why would God who is perfect, create imperfection? Are you familiar with Genesis? When He created, He said what He created was good, which you can find in Gen 1.
Besides, all the prophecies in the Bible tell us God's preplanned those things. Those then? But nothing else?
Prophecy indicates what will happen. God knows what will happen. Difference between foretelling what will happen and making something happen.
How can our will overcome Gods? If our will does us harm and God doesn't intercede being he's omniscient, can he then be Omni benevolent?
Where do you get the expression omni-benevolent from?
From what I've read God does predestine things. We plan but he determines our path.
Not quite. There are numerous instances in scripture where people pray for direction or the scripture indicates we choose
If I insist I have complete free will and my life sucks, isn't that saying God sees that and does nothing to help?
And wouldn't that mean God doesn't intercede? Which makes prayer worthless.
Well if you have complete free will, why would God do anything? Then again if you have that free will, you can pray. Neither view is correct.
Or, is God wholly sovereign over his creation? That he made to be imperfect.
Why would God who is perfect, create imperfection? Are you familiar with Genesis? When He created, He said what He created was good, which you can find in Gen 1.
Besides, all the prophecies in the Bible tell us God's preplanned those things. Those then? But nothing else?
Prophecy indicates what will happen. God knows what will happen. Difference between foretelling what will happen and making something happen.
How can our will overcome Gods? If our will does us harm and God doesn't intercede being he's omniscient, can he then be Omni benevolent?
Where do you get the expression omni-benevolent from?
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I don't know what that is. Doesn't that go with the salvation by faith and not works?
Sounds like you prefer to ignore parts of the Bible you don't understand or like.
“For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.”
James 2:26
faith brings good works and does away wo the evil works it doesnt shun the good works set before us it walks in them
“For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.”
Ephesians 2:10
the gospel and what Jesus says to do is the good we’re meant to walk in. You know how the popular explaination of saved by grace says “ grace is unwarranted favor so no work can ever be included ? The truth is this
“For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.”
Titus 2:11-12, 14-15 KJV
as long as we believe good works aren’t for us , we’re actually rejecting the entire purpose that Christ died for to bring us from the power of sin and darkness to the power of light and life and the righteousness of Jesus Christ
faith without works is a word people don’t understand