Research: Majority of Americans Believe Works Are the Key to Salvation

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Jackson123

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many people travel and help the poor, but are not saved
is anyone who believes the gospel unsaved?


Paul is not saying do nothing. but he says Abraham was called righteous for believing - not for doing anything.
But Jesus say those people save because help,the poor.
Is Jesus lie?
Is Jesus contradict Himself?
 

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Grace is a gift/reward from God, but Jesus told us we need to keep his commandments to receive this Reward.

Romans 5:8

Romans 10-13 + Galatians 3:5~ Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God.
Does God lavish His Spirit on you and work miracles among you because you obey the law, or because you hear and believe?

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But Jesus say those people save because help,the poor.
Is Jesus lie?
Is Jesus contradict Himself?
No, Jesus didn't say or mean what you think. If you comprehend John 5:24, you will know that the possession of eternal life occurs when a person becomes a believer.

Then, if you comprehend John 10:28, you will know that recipients of eternal life shall never perish.

Salvation has nothing to do with works, deeds, lifestyle, etc.

When a person believes (trusts) in Christ for salvation, they receive the gift of eternal life. John 5:24

1 Tim 1:16 - But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display his immense patience as an example for those who would believe in him and receive eternal life.
 

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But Jesus say those people save because help,the poor.
Is Jesus lie?
Is Jesus contradict Himself?
of course Jesus did not lie or contradict Himself -- not when He says all who believe will be saved, either. and Paul is not lying when he says salvation is by grace through faith, not of works.
it is like you say -- whoever is truly saved, does righteous things. not because they do them thinking they must earn heaven, but because God changes our natures. salvation is a supernatural change - we become new. our hearts are redeemed

it is interesting in Matthew 25:37-39 the righteous had no idea they were doing good works. they tell God, 'when did we ever do those things You are commending us for??'
 

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How about Matt 25
Jesus saved people because they help the poor
Abraham believe than work hard walk more than 2000 mile brought all his animal move to israel
Read it again.
But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness
It was always about your faith in what Christ accomplished for us. Christ is your righteousness.

Please do not suggest that you will stand before God and say; look at my works!
For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God.
No one can mention works in front of God. No one would dare do that.
 

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it is interesting in Matthew 25:37-39 the righteous had no idea they were doing good works. they tell God, 'when did we ever do those things You are commending us for??'
the righteous are humble
the wicked are vain


this is a fact i have seen in my brief years on earth
 

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I think some people here on this board are highly infected by the Social Gospel pushed by 'Progressive Christianity',
 

Jackson123

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No, Jesus didn't say or mean what you think. If you comprehend John 5:24, you will know that the possession of eternal life occurs when a person becomes a believer.

Then, if you comprehend John 10:28, you will know that recipients of eternal life shall never perish.

Salvation has nothing to do with works, deeds, lifestyle, etc.

When a person believes (trusts) in Christ for salvation, they receive the gift of eternal life. John 5:24

1 Tim 1:16 - But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display his immense patience as an example for those who would believe in him and receive eternal life.
Eternal salvation happen if you keeping your faith to the end
Matt 24:13
 

Jackson123

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it is interesting in Matthew 25:37-39 the righteous had no idea they were doing good works. they tell God, 'when did we ever do those things You are commending us for??'
Yep, save mean save from selfishness, Jesus in believer produce fruit of love and manifest in helping the poor like what Jesus say in Matt 25
That is why the believer not remember that they help the poor becouse the believer not producer only bear the fruit produced by Jesus

faith produce salvation and fruit is by product of faith
 

Jackson123

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Read it again.
It was always about your faith in what Christ accomplished for us. Christ is your righteousness.

Please do not suggest that you will stand before God and say; look at my works!
No one can mention works in front of God. No one would dare do that.
45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
 

Jackson123

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Both sheep and goat surprise
Sheep think they not doing good they ask when I saw you hungry I feed you

Goat think they are doing good, ask Jesus when I saw you hungry and I am not feed you?
 

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But Jesus say those people save because help,the poor.
Is Jesus lie?
Is Jesus contradict Himself?
Are you saying that Paul was wrong?

Romans 10:13
For “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
 

Jackson123

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Both sheep and goat surprise
Sheep think they not doing good they ask when I saw you hungry I feed you

Goat think they are doing good, ask Jesus when I saw you hungry and I am not feed you?
Make me worry and ask myself
All my life as Christian I hear salvation by faith not by work, I was think it mean ok to rob the bank, as long believe in Jesus will be save
Than Jesus say in Matt 25
Not only rob the bank, just because not helping the poor make jesus say depart from me

Go to eternal fire or hell

Seem jesus teach there is correlation between faith and love
We can't lie to Jesus
In the church we sing I live you lord

Are we honest or lie

If you love the Lord you also love your brother in need

John say if a man say love the Lord and hate his brother, he is liar

I think people om the left that think save but Jesus say not are church activist
They think they are save because they are elder, or pastor
But they don't love the poor, they love rich member
Jesus able to see their heart, than say depart from me
 

Jackson123

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Are you saying that Paul was wrong?

Romans 10:13
For “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
Paul not wrong and Jesus not wrong either

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
 

Jackson123

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Paul not wrong and Jesus not wrong either

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
How come both right?

Because Paul talking who honestly call the name
Honest call not fake
Then Jesus come to the callers heart and the caller bear the fruit
Jesus in the caller produce fruit and the caller bear it
 

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Make me worry and ask myself
All my life as Christian I hear salvation by faith not by work, I was think it mean ok to rob the bank, as long believe in Jesus will be save
Than Jesus say in Matt 25
Not only rob the bank, just because not helping the poor make jesus say depart from me

Go to eternal fire or hell

Seem jesus teach there is correlation between faith and love
We can't lie to Jesus
In the church we sing I live you lord

Are we honest or lie

If you love the Lord you also love your brother in need

John say if a man say love the Lord and hate his brother, he is liar

I think people om the left that think save but Jesus say not are church activist
They think they are save because they are elder, or pastor
But they don't love the poor, they love rich member
Jesus able to see their heart, than say depart from me
Your not saved by your works, helping the poor.

You cannot be saved unless you accept the atonement that Jesus offered.

You must believe in Jesus to qualify for salvation. Then you can change from a goat into a sheep.

Christ comes first and works follow from that. Your so confused.
 

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Paul not wrong and Jesus not wrong either

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
So your saying there are two ways to be saved.

The first is to call on the name of the Lord. As the verse below states.

Romans 10:13
For “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

The second way is to feed the poor. That is what you preach. A dual gospel.
 

Jackson123

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Your not saved by your works, helping the poor.

You cannot be saved unless you accept the atonement that Jesus offered.

You must believe in Jesus to qualify for salvation. Then you can change from a goat into a sheep.

Christ comes first and works follow from that. Your so confused.
I know not our work but Jesus in us work, we only bear
But goat not helping poor and go to hell and no body able to produce agape love

Every body sinner and not able to produce agape love

But the sheep have faith, invite Jesus in than Jesus produce it and the sheep bear and let the poor have it
 

Jackson123

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So your saying there are two ways to be saved.

The first is to call on the name of the Lord. As the verse below states.

Romans 10:13
For “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

The second way is to feed the poor. That is what you preach. A dual gospel.
Only one way
Jesus
Jesus save from hell and selfishness the saved also doing Matt 25
I only quote from Jesus, not according to me it is according to Jesus read by yourself, I am not Bible writer