Do you observe the Sabbath?
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Good, that means you're aware of your inability to convey relevant thought - allow me to explain why that is:
Solomon says that "fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom" and also we are to "fear God and keep His commandments, for this is the whole duty of man".
Your refusal to keep His commandments indicates you don't fear the Lord, and if you don't fear the Lord, you can't obtain wisdom from Him. See what I did there?
Solomon says that "fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom" and also we are to "fear God and keep His commandments, for this is the whole duty of man".
Your refusal to keep His commandments indicates you don't fear the Lord, and if you don't fear the Lord, you can't obtain wisdom from Him. See what I did there?
not trying to answer for post, but i will take this one.
just to remind you, i am not osas, i do believe salvation can be gained and lost.
so, yes a grace saved person can lose salvation.
by losing faith. as in not believing anymore.
because we are saved by grace through faith for good works.
the good works are a result of salvation.
not the cause or maintainer of salvation.
so now, if he wants , post will school you much better than this just did.
just to remind you, i am not osas, i do believe salvation can be gained and lost.
so, yes a grace saved person can lose salvation.
by losing faith. as in not believing anymore.
because we are saved by grace through faith for good works.
the good works are a result of salvation.
not the cause or maintainer of salvation.
so now, if he wants , post will school you much better than this just did.
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Nope...you didn't address the Hebrews passage at all.
Keyword "Today"
As in "Today if you hear his voice...
In the middle of the sentence it is capitalized. As in a special holy day.
Do you need me to point you to it or do you rely upon the Sinful chapter and verse numbers that measure God?
Keyword "Today"
As in "Today if you hear his voice...
In the middle of the sentence it is capitalized. As in a special holy day.
Do you need me to point you to it or do you rely upon the Sinful chapter and verse numbers that measure God?
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But YOU are NOT Jesus. Nor do you act like Him.
And religion is something that you do religiously....as in a ritual done repeatedly.
Jesus said that He prefers Mercy over Sacrifice. Meaning that going to church on Saturday with others who believe themselves righteous because they go to church on Saturday is not going to provide any benefit for my salvation.
It looks like wisdom but it simply isn't.
Then there's the whole can of worms unwittingly opened by the Jewish council of the days being shifted. (By Constantine) Meaning that Sunday is actually the former Saturday....and if you go to church on Saturday you are going to church on Friday.
Because if you get the day wrong....you got it wrong. Just like the lighting of a fire on a Sabbath...which you don't keep at all....it says to not light a fire but you freely admit to lighting them and break the Law.
If you are going to keep the Law you have to keep ALL of it.
And religion is something that you do religiously....as in a ritual done repeatedly.
Jesus said that He prefers Mercy over Sacrifice. Meaning that going to church on Saturday with others who believe themselves righteous because they go to church on Saturday is not going to provide any benefit for my salvation.
It looks like wisdom but it simply isn't.
Then there's the whole can of worms unwittingly opened by the Jewish council of the days being shifted. (By Constantine) Meaning that Sunday is actually the former Saturday....and if you go to church on Saturday you are going to church on Friday.
Because if you get the day wrong....you got it wrong. Just like the lighting of a fire on a Sabbath...which you don't keep at all....it says to not light a fire but you freely admit to lighting them and break the Law.
If you are going to keep the Law you have to keep ALL of it.
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No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him;
and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God.
(1 John 3:9)
What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the wilderness, and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? And when he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and neighbors, saying to them, ‘Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’
(Luke 15:4-6)
Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely;
and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
He who calls you is faithful, Who also will do it.
(1 Thessalonians 5:23-24)
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this is all previously covered in great detail many times over.
2 Samuel 13:15 & John 15:12 destroy your semantical argument.
Revelation 3:15 & 2 Peter 2:8 destroy your thermodynamic argument.
1 John 5:5
Romans 8:9-11
Matthew 24:3 & 31, Hebrews 3:6, 3:14, 3:19, 4:2, 4:14, 6:11, 6:19, 7:18-19, 7:25, 8:12, 10:17, 10:22-23, 10:35-36
Hebrews 10:35-36 explains Matthew 24:13; i will repeat:
2 Samuel 13:15 & John 15:12 destroy your semantical argument.
Revelation 3:15 & 2 Peter 2:8 destroy your thermodynamic argument.
1 John 5:5
Romans 8:9-11
Matthew 24:3 & 31, Hebrews 3:6, 3:14, 3:19, 4:2, 4:14, 6:11, 6:19, 7:18-19, 7:25, 8:12, 10:17, 10:22-23, 10:35-36
Hebrews 10:35-36 explains Matthew 24:13; i will repeat:
He who calls you is faithful, Who also will do it.
(1 Thessalonians 5:24)
that's not what Hebrews 4:9-10 says.
read all of chapters 3 & 4 together.
poignantly:
in the context, we are being told to hold fast our assurance of salvation, in faith: for it is by unbelief that Israel failed to enter the True Rest ((c.f.e. Hebrews 3:19))
see for example also:
these things are reminders; it is Christ Who gives us rest, if we come to Him. He is the Substance of what all those things testify to.
read all of chapters 3 & 4 together.
poignantly:
He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way:
“And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”;
and again in this place: “They shall not enter My rest.”
(Hebrews 4:4-5)
the ceremony of sabbath-inactivity is 100% being described as a symbol of a greater rest, a rest that endures.“And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”;
and again in this place: “They shall not enter My rest.”
(Hebrews 4:4-5)
in the context, we are being told to hold fast our assurance of salvation, in faith: for it is by unbelief that Israel failed to enter the True Rest ((c.f.e. Hebrews 3:19))
see for example also:
For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect. For then would they not have ceased to be offered? For the worshipers, once purified, would have had no more consciousness of sins. But in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year. For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins.
(Hebrews 10:1-4)
if you obtained rest by ceremonially ceasing from physical activity once a week, you would not have to ritually repeat this week after week. if you obtained true fellowship by congregating week after week, you would not have to continue ceremonially gathering week after week. (Hebrews 10:1-4)
these things are reminders; it is Christ Who gives us rest, if we come to Him. He is the Substance of what all those things testify to.
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You mean Hebrews 4? It's simply God contrasting the believing with the unbelievers, where believers enter into the rest of Jesus and demonstrate that inward spiritual rest by resting outwardly from their literal, physical work "as God did from His" - while the unbelieving refuse to enter into His rest, preferring to earn salvation by works which Jesus says is impossible (Luke 17:10 KJV).
