Is There A 'Need' For supernatural abilities Today?

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The_Watchers_2017

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ResidentAlien said:
What I hear is you saying isn't that different from what I've heard a million times. People say signs and wonders are for today then they trot out all kinds of excuses for why they don't happen.

tell me why Paul was not able to heal Trophimus?
that might be why sometimes people aren't healed today.

wouldn't you agree Paul had faith and prayed like God instructed us to do?
so why did God not heal him?
 
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The_Watchers_2017 said:
ResidentAlien said:
What I hear is you saying isn't that different from what I've heard a million times. People say signs and wonders are for today then they trot out all kinds of excuses for why they don't happen.

tell me why Paul was not able to heal Trophimus?
that might be why sometimes people aren't healed today.

wouldn't you agree Paul had faith and prayed like God instructed us to do?
so why did God not heal him?
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There's a reason, but you clearly don't want to hear it; I'm sure you've heard it all before anyway. You don't have any interest in learning anything but only in expressing your own opinions. I learned a long time ago in these forums there's a time to discuss and a time to shut up. This is a time for the latter.

I don't wish you ill, I just know better than to waste my time.
 
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joecoten

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I experienced signs and wonders while under a certain ministry. My sister's friend went to the same ministry. She got healed out of her wheelchair. She walked into her church and showed them the miracle. They told her that since God didn't heal anymore, she'd been lying about being paraplegic. They then kicked her out of the church.
If people want to keep their heads up their butts, that's their business, not mine!
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JTB

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I've said it before and I'll say it again:

For those who believe the gifts have ceased, they have ceased indeed.
 
The_Watchers_2017

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ResidentAlien said:
There's a reason, but you clearly don't want to hear it; I'm sure you've heard it all before anyway. You don't have any interest in learning anything but only in expressing your own opinions. I learned a long time ago in these forums there's a time to discuss and a time to shut up. This is a time for the latter.

I don't wish you ill, I just know better than to waste my time.
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i hope the reason surrounds God and His will. my opinions? everything i said can be backed by the Bible. even if Paul did Mark 16, "Trophimus" ended up not healed. So God chose not to heal him even if Mark 16 was done as it is written.
 
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The_Watchers_2017 said:
tell me why Paul was not able to heal Trophimus?
that might be why sometimes people aren't healed today.

wouldn't you agree Paul had faith and prayed like God instructed us to do?
so why did not God heal him?
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PAUL could not heal any one . It is God who does the healing. Your laying on of hands heals no one.
 
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The_Watchers_2017 said:
i hope the reason surrounds God and His will. my opinions? everything i said can be backed by the Bible. even if Paul did Mark 16, "Trophimus" ended up not healed. So God chose not to heal him even if Mark 16 was done as it is written.
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Everything everyone says in here can be backed up by the Bible.
 
The_Watchers_2017

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ResidentAlien said:
Everything everyone says in here can be backed up by the Bible.
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well i meant if an Apostle follows God's Word and does not see the results God promises, then God chose to not do it. nothing we can do about it. but it doesn't mean next time it has the same result. it just means God's Will will always be done first and foremost for that specific event even if we do it how the Bible tells us to do it.
 
The_Watchers_2017

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how many members on this site follow
2nd Cor 9:
6 The point is this: whoever sows sparingly shall also reap sparingly, and whoever sows bountifully shall also reap bountifully.
7 Let each one give as he has decided in his heart, not grudgingly or under compulsion—for God loves a cheerful giver.

how many members are millionaires?
how many sow sparingly and how many sow bountifully?
 
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no one sowing bountifully and reaping the rewards as promised in 2nd Corinthians 9:6?

no millionaires on this site?
no one financially stable and have more than their needs fulfilled but also their wants by obeying the Word of God?
 
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joecoten

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There goes the neighborhood!
 
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The_Watchers_2017 said:
i meant no offense. just figuring out who believes in all of the Bible and who believes some of it no longer is for us today.
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Precious friend, thank you - none taken.
The_Watchers_2017 said:
we face the same enemy when God gave the Gifts. it seems only logical until the enemy is gone the Gifts will remain.
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Precious friend, instead of "figuring out what people believe" [the enemy's
Distraction], should we not "figure out" What God Is Doing Today, Under GRACE?
And IF What He Is Doing Is Different Than What He Required Under The Law?

Wouldn't that be more beneficial?

Did you study the entire article below? I believe it should answer, Biblically,
most if not all of your questions:

The Goal Of The gifts

Please let me know, and we can continue...

GRACE And Peace...
 
The_Watchers_2017

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GRACE_ambassador said:
Precious friend, thank you - none taken.

Precious friend, instead of "figuring out what people believe" [the enemy's
Distraction], should we not "figure out" What God Is Doing Today, Under GRACE?
And IF What He Is Doing Is Different Than What He Required Under The Law?

Wouldn't that be more beneficial?

Did you study the entire article below? I believe it should answer, Biblically,
most if not all of your questions:

The Goal Of The gifts

Please let me know, and we can continue...

GRACE And Peace...
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the article begins with these Gifts were given so the Apostles could preach during the "Great Tribulation." but then claims the Tribulation was put on hold. that is a different viewpoint for sure. but overall, it does state the Gifts are still active this moment we're in now. i agree to that for sure.
 
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The_Watchers_2017 said:
overall, it does state the Gifts are still active this moment we're in now. i agree to that for sure.
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So, Precious friend, you did "read the entire article," and then made this
conclusion: "the gifts are still active this moment were in now" Correct? Or:
Did you "read only the beginning and say that ↑, according to this?:
The_Watchers_2017 said:
the article begins with these Gifts were given so the Apostles could preach during the "Great Tribulation." but then claims the Tribulation was put on hold. that is a different viewpoint for sure.
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Actually, the overall article teaches "the gifts are NOT active, Today, Under GRACE!"

Do you Also believe that we are "saved by water baptism," as it is clearly
stated above your verse of "healing, drinking deadly poisons, handling
snakes, speaking in new tongues, casting out demons" (Mark_16:17-18):

"...he that believeth AND is baptized Shall Be Saved..." (Mark_16:16), which is
Under God's Law, OR:

Are we, Today, "in this moment" Under GRACE, "Saved" WITHOUT
"the work of water baptism"? According to this 'link':

GRACE And Peace...

Because IF we are still Confused about "salvation" then it is little wonder
we will Also be Confused about the "gifts" Correct?
 
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joecoten

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I have the gift of tongues...I find it helpful. I've received and given deliverance. I have some sort of visual prophetic gift. To me, the word prophecy means "hearing God's voice." I believe prediction is a small part of the gift of prophecy. Gifts are to be used with self-restraint, wisdom, and for the benefit of the body of Christ.
 
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