Is Baptism necessary for Salvation?
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Well it seems we have the trifecta of error this am. they grow so bold in their illicit renderings and lying accusations. Probably only wansvic attends church with like minded people. the other 2, especially the pope of accusations, would be kicked out of church the way they accuse and say things like 'calling God a liar.'
It's despicable. They will always go the route of trying to make things personal because of a lack of character and also because if they actually did accept what is true, their tiny worlds would collapse.
It's despicable. They will always go the route of trying to make things personal because of a lack of character and also because if they actually did accept what is true, their tiny worlds would collapse.
wow man, You just keep hurting yourself.
1. You just showed another heretical view.
2. You continue to prove I am right, In your view a person who is not baptized will not get to heaven correct?
3. Your the one who lied about my view of baptism. And you continue to deny it.
it is typical of legalists try blame others for stuff they themselves do..
1. You just showed another heretical view.
2. You continue to prove I am right, In your view a person who is not baptized will not get to heaven correct?
3. Your the one who lied about my view of baptism. And you continue to deny it.
it is typical of legalists try blame others for stuff they themselves do..
No it is not
Romans 6 says we were baptized (immersed) into Christ in death,
it does not say we were baptized in water.
Your right water baptism is a SYMBOL.. Rpm 6 is talking of the actual event which water baptism symbolises.
as for the resurrection.
John 6: 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”
You wait was short lived. being raided (ressurected) is based on the fact that we BELIEVE (have faith)
But I do not expect you to acknowledge this any more that you acknowledge your lies about us and baptism.
Romans 6 says we were baptized (immersed) into Christ in death,
it does not say we were baptized in water.
Your right water baptism is a SYMBOL.. Rpm 6 is talking of the actual event which water baptism symbolises.
as for the resurrection.
John 6: 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”
You wait was short lived. being raided (ressurected) is based on the fact that we BELIEVE (have faith)
But I do not expect you to acknowledge this any more that you acknowledge your lies about us and baptism.
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I have found this person in particular to create the most outlandish and inaccurate posts of any of them. He is consistent though. You will find him pretty much damaging himself while trying to damage others, in just about every thread he appears in. I have him on ignore, but for the purposes of this particular thread, I am viewing and responding to some of his posts. Just some because they are so egregious, that in my view, they should be deleted by a mod.
He goes way past just disagreeing and hurls hatred and spiritual insults that are inspired by something dark.
He goes way past just disagreeing and hurls hatred and spiritual insults that are inspired by something dark.
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Here’s Revelation 20:4-6. It’s a resurrection for the millennial kingdom. Those who are resurrected for the millennial kingdom will be on Earth. Later those resurrected people will be on the New Earth.
1. The only way you would view this as heresy is if you’re an amillennialist which denies the earthly millennial kingdom. So either you’re ignorant or confused.
Rev 20:4-6
4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
2. The Bible says salvation of the soul comes through faith in Christ. Do note that does not include salvation of the resurrected body. The reason the Bible says baptism saves is because it saves something else.
Consider what Paul said in 1 Corinthians:
1 Corinthians 15:29
29Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?
Paul confirmed here that the purpose of baptism is for a resurrection, but individuals must get baptized themself. They can’t be baptized for someone else or someone who has already died.
3. I don’t recall saying what your view of baptism is. I remember making a general statement about people in general believing baptism is unimportant nowadays, which is true. Apparently you took that personally and escalated this to slander. That’s called digging a hole.
1. The only way you would view this as heresy is if you’re an amillennialist which denies the earthly millennial kingdom. So either you’re ignorant or confused.
Rev 20:4-6
4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
2. The Bible says salvation of the soul comes through faith in Christ. Do note that does not include salvation of the resurrected body. The reason the Bible says baptism saves is because it saves something else.
Consider what Paul said in 1 Corinthians:
1 Corinthians 15:29
29Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?
Paul confirmed here that the purpose of baptism is for a resurrection, but individuals must get baptized themself. They can’t be baptized for someone else or someone who has already died.
3. I don’t recall saying what your view of baptism is. I remember making a general statement about people in general believing baptism is unimportant nowadays, which is true. Apparently you took that personally and escalated this to slander. That’s called digging a hole.
As uncomfortable as it may be, all individual's living in the NT must be baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus for remission of their sin. (Acts 2:38, 22:16) And since entrance into the kingdom of God is impossible unless one's sin have been dwelt with salvation is dependent upon it.
Expecting God to change His established plan in order to accommodate man is an insult. Changing is man's responsibility. Surely all can relate to being drawn by God many times prior to actually turning to Him in sincere repentance. Think about it. How many times are people invited to church or a bible study to learn about Jesus, only to refuse? How many times are televisions turned off when ministries come on? How many times has Jesus knocked on the door of one's heart yet the person refuses to open the door? God uses so many ways to draw people unto Him that it is impossible to list them. Sadly many reject Christ until they feel they have no alternative. It may sound harsh but it is a fact.
Expecting God to change His established plan in order to accommodate man is an insult. Changing is man's responsibility. Surely all can relate to being drawn by God many times prior to actually turning to Him in sincere repentance. Think about it. How many times are people invited to church or a bible study to learn about Jesus, only to refuse? How many times are televisions turned off when ministries come on? How many times has Jesus knocked on the door of one's heart yet the person refuses to open the door? God uses so many ways to draw people unto Him that it is impossible to list them. Sadly many reject Christ until they feel they have no alternative. It may sound harsh but it is a fact.
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A person can do a search here in the forum and find numerous threads started by wansvic always about the same itinerary and of course it is always wansvic and friends 
Nothing new in this thread. However it seems the lies are becoming somewhat more aggressive.
Nothing new in this thread. However it seems the lies are becoming somewhat more aggressive.
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