Who is a Jew?

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when Jesus says this, How often I longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! and follows it up with 39 For I tell you, you will never see Me again until you say, ‘Baruch ha-ba b’shem ADONAI. Blessed is He who comes in the name of the LORD!’ JESUS JUST GAVE THE JEWS A WAY BACK IN...JUST SAY ‘Baruch ha-ba b’shem ADONAI. Blessed is He who comes in the name of the LORD! and He takes them back!
 
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Brother, be careful not to aline yourself with this Anderson character. He is a false preacher if there ever was one. I know you well enough from your posts here that you could never hold with his beliefs.
Thanks KG. No, I won't. I don't follow any man, and I ask people not to follow me either. It's an absolute reality to me that there is only ever one Man to follow, and His name is Jesus. We humans are prone to making mistakes, but not Jesus. We should all walk shoulder to shoulder towards Jesus, and not follow behind any man.
 
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Thanks KG. No, I won't. I don't follow any man, and I ask people not to follow me either. It's an absolute reality to me that there is only ever one Man to follow, and His name is Jesus. We humans are prone to making mistakes, but not Jesus. We should all walk shoulder to shoulder towards Jesus, and not follow behind any man.
So much for the Bible authors and the apostles!
 

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the Beauty about Matthew 23:39 is from that moment until the Ascension, Jesus never changed His Words. so we know Romans 11:26 and so all Israel shall be saved, as it is written: is 100% pure fact!
if they repent and accept the gospel ? Like any gentile also ?

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if a former Jew repents and accepts the gospel and gets baptized like a gentile they become the heirs of Gods original promises

when a person of any nationality accepts Christ and the gospel that means this about them

“For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:27-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The hiers of salvation arent abram the Hebrews flesh and blood descendants but those either Jew or gentiles who receive the spirit of Christ believing the gospel and receiving remission of sins…….that makes an hoer of eternal
Life


To be a Jew one has to accept and live by the Jewish law be circumcised , aNd worship God according to the law “given by “ or “ mediated “ by Moses , given inder the authority of the leviticle preists of Aaron’s order , of whom all were descendants of Abraham as well as the people they ruled l blood descendants of Abraham or converts through circumcision

many Israelites like Peter , John , James and later paul had known Moses law meankng the commands Moses gave the people , and when they heard Jesus teaching saying “ it was said in the old times by Moses , but I’m telling you this other thing “

they converted thier faith to what Jesus was saying and believes the gospel and will be saved . After Jesus sent the hilt ghost in acts many more jews repented and believes and converted to the church accepting the gospel

in the end whether one is born jew or a gentile can’t save anyone but anyone who accepts and believes the gospel no matter who they born of they are can and will be saved


The old covenant is already fulfilled

Behold, I set before you this day a blessing and a curse; a blessing, if ye obey the commandments of the LORD your God, which I command you this day:

and a curse, if ye will not obey the commandments of the LORD your God, but turn aside out of the way which I command you this day, to go after other gods, which ye have not known.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭11:26-28‬


That’s thoer covenant if you read the Old Testament you can see that they. Rome it d chose a curse repeatedly worshipping false gods in the land he gave them . and this is what resulted from it “ if you keep my covenant it’s a blessing if you break it it’s a curse “ he has written in thier covenant for all to know

The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate:

Fear, and the pit, and the snare, are upon thee, O inhabitant of the earth. The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭24:5-6, 17, 20‬ ‭

the breaking of their covenant cursed the earth causing the curse to be fulfilled instead of the blessing it offered them , all Of the stuff we read in the Old Testament bout God promising restoration. And deliverance and salvation is based on whether they accept the savior he’s been promising to send them , the Christ who would proclaim his word of everlasting life

This stuff the promise of another covenant is fulfilled by the gospel

“And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭49:6‬ ‭

that’s fulfilled when Jesus died and rose and sent the gospel the new covenant into the world for all People beginning with isreal and spreading out into all nations through the great commission and holy scriptures

being born of Jewish ancestry has absolutely no impact on a person or can’t save and doesn’t condemn

whether we repent and believe the gospel Jesus preached being Israelite , African , Asian , ect ot doesn’t matter who our ancestors were anymore abrams descendants already received the land he promised and then they defiled it and cursed it by breaking the covenant this leads to a new covenant formiarsel
First and then Extended to all

Not the one made through Moses with israel but a new one spoken by the lord

Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:”
‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭31:31-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Of the world is going to be destroyed Godnis Israel going to inherit the earthly land they corrupted ? It’s the new covenant all Need to accept it holds its own new promised land

“Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

This earth is going to be destroyed like Jerusalem and it’s temple was in ad 67 -70
 
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Beautiful post @kaylagrl ...
I do not know if I have mentioned this before to you , but from a previous thread about the Jewish people , I read a lot of what you posted , and I learned a lot from your posts...I now have not long finished reading the OT , and it has so much about the things you posted because you backed it up with Scripture , so I thank you sister for the fact that you do not sway from the truth of Gods word...
You have been a blessing to me on this subject , and I just want you to know as you go through this battle...
...xox...

Thank you so much sister. I deeply appreciate you sharing that with me. This is a subject I have studied the Word on and have read up a lot on. If I helped a little I am so happy. I believe it grieves the very heart of God when Christians who should know better, treat Jews with such disdain. God says that Israel is the apple of His eye. I believe God has a love for the land of Israel and the people of Israel and it has never ended. Because as I say, if God does not keep His promises to the Jew, He won't keep His promise to you. I don't know how to be any different than I am. I have to stand on what I believe the Word is saying. Thank you for understanding where I am coming from sister. Blessings! <3 <3
 
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if they repent and accept the gospel ? Like any gentile also ?

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if a former Jew repents and accepts the gospel and gets baptized like a gentile they become the heirs of Gods original promises

when a person of any nationality accepts Christ and the gospel that means this about them

“For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:27-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The hiers of salvation arent abram the Hebrews flesh and blood descendants but those either Jew or gentiles who receive the spirit of Christ believing the gospel and receiving remission of sins…….that makes an hoer of eternal
Life


To be a Jew one has to accept and live by the Jewish law be circumcised , aNd worship God according to the law “given by “ or “ mediated “ by Moses , given inder the authority of the leviticle preists of Aaron’s order , of whom all were descendants of Abraham as well as the people they ruled l blood descendants of Abraham or converts through circumcision

many Israelites like Peter , John , James and later paul had known Moses law meankng the commands Moses gave the people , and when they heard Jesus teaching saying “ it was said in the old times by Moses , but I’m telling you this other thing “

they converted thier faith to what Jesus was saying and believes the gospel and will be saved . After Jesus sent the hilt ghost in acts many more jews repented and believes and converted to the church accepting the gospel

in the end whether one is born jew or a gentile can’t save anyone but anyone who accepts and believes the gospel no matter who they born of they are can and will be saved


The old covenant is already fulfilled

Behold, I set before you this day a blessing and a curse; a blessing, if ye obey the commandments of the LORD your God, which I command you this day:

and a curse, if ye will not obey the commandments of the LORD your God, but turn aside out of the way which I command you this day, to go after other gods, which ye have not known.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭11:26-28‬


That’s thoer covenant if you read the Old Testament you can see that they. Rome it d chose a curse repeatedly worshipping false gods in the land he gave them . and this is what resulted from it “ if you keep my covenant it’s a blessing if you break it it’s a curse “ he has written in thier covenant for all to know

The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate:

Fear, and the pit, and the snare, are upon thee, O inhabitant of the earth. The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭24:5-6, 17, 20‬ ‭

the breaking of their covenant cursed the earth causing the curse to be fulfilled instead of the blessing it offered them , all Of the stuff we read in the Old Testament bout God promising restoration. And deliverance and salvation is based on whether they accept the savior he’s been promising to send them , the Christ who would proclaim his word of everlasting life

This stuff the promise of another covenant is fulfilled by the gospel

“And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭49:6‬ ‭

that’s fulfilled when Jesus died and rose and sent the gospel the new covenant into the world for all People beginning with isreal and spreading out into all nations through the great commission and holy scriptures

being born of Jewish ancestry has absolutely no impact on a person or can’t save and doesn’t condemn

whether we repent and believe the gospel Jesus preached being Israelite , African , Asian , ect ot doesn’t matter who our ancestors were anymore abrams descendants already received the land he promised and then they defiled it and cursed it by breaking the covenant this leads to a new covenant formiarsel
First and then Extended to all

Not the one made through Moses with israel but a new one spoken by the lord

Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:”
‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭31:31-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Of the world is going to be destroyed Godnis Israel going to inherit the earthly land they corrupted ? It’s the new covenant all Need to accept it holds its own new promised land

“Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

This earth is going to be destroyed like Jerusalem and it’s temple was in ad 67 -70
Zechariah tells us they do Repent:
10 “Then I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication, when they will look toward Me whom they pierced. They will mourn for him as one mourns for an only son and grieve bitterly for him, as one grieves for a firstborn.

but Paul in Romans tells us it Saves all of Israel:
26 and so all Israel shall be saved, as it is written:
 

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True enough. In the end someone will be right and someone will be wrong. :) We shall all see. lol




We'd had much better debates on this subject. It was bound to end up this way when based on a false preacher like Anderson.




Well, actually,it's more determining of the Jews position. But let me tell a quick story. First, God knows my heart, so this story is told in no way to brag on my abilities or anything I did, only what the Lord led me to say and do.

I met a Jewish man on Facebook. It was a Christian website committed to reaching the Jewish people. He was there talking about the persecution of Christians down through the ages. Others were angry with him, some were scoffing. I saw his post and told him I agreed, that both the Catholic and Protestant churches had persecuted the Jews down through history, leading to the Holocaust. I said that both sects had apologized for their anti- Semitism after the Holocaust, but I admitted our faults. Oddly, he asked to be my friend on FB and I said he would have to be my husbands too. He agreed.

I never once bashed his beliefs, I gently questioned his POV. I shared Scripture on my FB and my beliefs, but I would always mark remembrance of the Holocaust, wish him well on feast days. I didn't think I was reaching out to him in any special way and prayed about how I should approach him. My mother was going through cancer and I often asked for prayer for her. He always told me he and his wife were praying for her, and that was special to me.

Then out of the blue he PMed me. He told me that he and his wife had gone to a church that weekend and accepted Jesus into their hearts !! I was surprised and overjoyed. Not long ago he became my mothers friend on FB. He said " I'm a friend of your daughter. It is clear that you raised her right". He went on to say that I had had an integral part in he and his wife coming to know the Lord. When my mother read the post to me I was stunned and I cried. I did not realize I had that much of an influence, and I prayed I could have that with my family.

All that being said, I was raised to love and respect the Jewish people by my parents. And I will never cease to change that belief. God tells us to bless the Jews, and so I do, even those who do not want peace. God is still reaching out to the Jews in love and they are no more lost or worse than any other person who has not accepted Christ. Either way, we are brothers and sisters in the Lord as you say. I hope we reach out more to the Jews as God lifts their blindness, and to all who are lost. Blessings.

Thank you for sharing the story about the jewish friend you met.

There shouldn't be any hatred, bigotry and/or racism against any person especially from Christians as we are called to love all people. All people are created in the imago dei - image of God.

Regarding Mr Anderson, he doesn't preach the gospel but rather preaches hate. (from the clips I've viewed).

I used to have a colleague who was Jewish, although not in the same workplace, we met at meetings with others twice a year for about 6 years. we had some great conversations. And I even had the chance to share the gospel with him.

Like yourself, I love the Jewish people too.
 
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if they repent and accept the gospel ? Like any gentile also ?

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if a former Jew repents and accepts the gospel and gets baptized like a gentile they become the heirs of Gods original promises

when a person of any nationality accepts Christ and the gospel that means this about them

“For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:27-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The hiers of salvation arent abram the Hebrews flesh and blood descendants but those either Jew or gentiles who receive the spirit of Christ believing the gospel and receiving remission of sins…….that makes an hoer of eternal
Life


To be a Jew one has to accept and live by the Jewish law be circumcised , aNd worship God according to the law “given by “ or “ mediated “ by Moses , given inder the authority of the leviticle preists of Aaron’s order , of whom all were descendants of Abraham as well as the people they ruled l blood descendants of Abraham or converts through circumcision

many Israelites like Peter , John , James and later paul had known Moses law meankng the commands Moses gave the people , and when they heard Jesus teaching saying “ it was said in the old times by Moses , but I’m telling you this other thing “

they converted thier faith to what Jesus was saying and believes the gospel and will be saved . After Jesus sent the hilt ghost in acts many more jews repented and believes and converted to the church accepting the gospel

in the end whether one is born jew or a gentile can’t save anyone but anyone who accepts and believes the gospel no matter who they born of they are can and will be saved


The old covenant is already fulfilled

Behold, I set before you this day a blessing and a curse; a blessing, if ye obey the commandments of the LORD your God, which I command you this day:

and a curse, if ye will not obey the commandments of the LORD your God, but turn aside out of the way which I command you this day, to go after other gods, which ye have not known.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭11:26-28‬


That’s thoer covenant if you read the Old Testament you can see that they. Rome it d chose a curse repeatedly worshipping false gods in the land he gave them . and this is what resulted from it “ if you keep my covenant it’s a blessing if you break it it’s a curse “ he has written in thier covenant for all to know

The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate:

Fear, and the pit, and the snare, are upon thee, O inhabitant of the earth. The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭24:5-6, 17, 20‬ ‭

the breaking of their covenant cursed the earth causing the curse to be fulfilled instead of the blessing it offered them , all Of the stuff we read in the Old Testament bout God promising restoration. And deliverance and salvation is based on whether they accept the savior he’s been promising to send them , the Christ who would proclaim his word of everlasting life

This stuff the promise of another covenant is fulfilled by the gospel

“And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭49:6‬ ‭

that’s fulfilled when Jesus died and rose and sent the gospel the new covenant into the world for all People beginning with isreal and spreading out into all nations through the great commission and holy scriptures

being born of Jewish ancestry has absolutely no impact on a person or can’t save and doesn’t condemn

whether we repent and believe the gospel Jesus preached being Israelite , African , Asian , ect ot doesn’t matter who our ancestors were anymore abrams descendants already received the land he promised and then they defiled it and cursed it by breaking the covenant this leads to a new covenant formiarsel
First and then Extended to all

Not the one made through Moses with israel but a new one spoken by the lord

Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:”
‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭31:31-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Of the world is going to be destroyed Godnis Israel going to inherit the earthly land they corrupted ? It’s the new covenant all Need to accept it holds its own new promised land

“Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

This earth is going to be destroyed like Jerusalem and it’s temple was in ad 67 -70
Excellent discernment and necessary for this thread as you can see.
 
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Not disagreeing with your interpretation yet....but, please explain why God is saying what you interpret Him to say in Roman chapter 11?

What other meaning could 11 contain?
We know that with everything of God comes a counterfeit from the adversary. I think that might best describe the other interpretation.
Or to be fair and less critical, just plain ignorance.
 
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So much for the Bible authors and the apostles!
They pointed the brethren towards Jesus. Paul castigated the church because they were dividing up and following men, namely he and fellow apostles.
 
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Thank you for sharing the story about the jewish friend you met.

There shouldn't be any hatred, bigotry and/or racism against any person especially from Christians as we are called to love all people. All people are created in the imago dei - image of God.
You're welcome, and you are so right. The last place people should feel persecution from is the church.

.Regarding Mr Anderson, he doesn't preach the gospel but rather preaches hate. (from the clips I've viewed).
And that's a great pity because people view God from that lens. And he in no way represents God.


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I used to have a colleague who was Jewish, although not in the same workplace, we met at meetings with others twice a year for about 6 years. we had some great conversations. And I even had the chance to share the gospel with him.

Like yourself, I love the Jewish people too.
You never know, eternity will reveal the mark you made on that persons life. You may be the reason he chooses Christ as Savior.
 
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We know that with everything of God comes a counterfeit from the adversary. I think that might best describe the other interpretation.
Or to be fair and less critical, just plain ignorance.
i know that denial is a state of mind some desire to remain in, but it's clear from several posters that Anderson did in fact act the same way as Satan in the Garden with his deception of the facts. YOU [Mr. FROG], have been the biggest proponent of spreading Anderson's message. doesn't that make you as equally DECEPTIVE?
 
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i know that denial is a state of mind some desire to remain in, but it's clear from several posters that Anderson did in fact act the same way as Satan in the Garden with his deception of the facts. YOU [Mr. FROG], have been the biggest proponent of spreading Anderson's message. doesn't that make you as equally DECEPTIVE?
Why are you being so rude?
 
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Why are you being so rude?
this is not rude to you [We know that with everything of God comes a counterfeit from the adversary. I think that might best describe the other interpretation. Or to be fair and less critical, just plain ignorance.]?

may i remind you, APWALL, denial is a state of mind, not a river that runs through Egypt!
 
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this is not rude to you [We know that with everything of God comes a counterfeit from the adversary. I think that might best describe the other interpretation. Or to be fair and less critical, just plain ignorance.]?

may i remind you APWALL, denial is a state of mind, not a river that runs through Egypt!
What on earth are you talking about. And it was a rude comment.
 
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What on earth are you talking about. And it was a rude comment.
are you saying this was a rude comment?

We know that with everything of God comes a counterfeit from the adversary. I think that might best describe the other interpretation.
Or to be fair and less critical, just plain ignorance.
 
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are you saying this was a rude comment?

We know that with everything of God comes a counterfeit from the adversary. I think that might best describe the other interpretation.
Or to be fair and less critical, just plain ignorance.
does 2 wrongs make a right? I dont think he is here to say anything to, but you are.
 
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does 2 wrongs make a right? I dont think he is here to say anything to, but you are.
he's here.

i agree 2 wrongs don't make a right. but i have only presented Scripture with the backing of Scholars and Theologians. so it's almost impossible i am doing the work of Satan. but he is presenting Anderson, whom, we all know is lying from both ends of his personality. so there is indeed one of us representing Satan here. and it's not John Piper and the many Theologians and Scholars i have presented here!
 
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he's here.

i agree 2 wrongs don't make a right. but i have only presented Scripture with the backing of Scholars and Theologians. so it's almost impossible i am doing the work of Satan. but he is presenting Anderson, whom, we all know is lying from both ends of his personality. so there is indeed one of us representing Satan here. and it's not John Piper and the many Theologians and Scholars i have presented here!

Beware people who are newbies, jump into a thread and start ordering people around. ;)