Is Baptism necessary for Salvation?
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John's baptism was before the Holy Spirit descended on Jesus, so it was necessary only to declare repentance. If you think it was more than that then being baptized in the Holy Spirit was/is unnecessary.
Acts 19:4, "Paul said, “John baptized with a baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in the one who was to come after him," that is, in Jesus.”
Water baptism is simply a symbolic act on the part of someone who is already saved. By itself it accomplishes nothing.
Romans 6:4, "Therefore we have been buried with him through baptism into death, in order that just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too may live a new life." Now if you take that literally, it is murder.
Why are you so obsessed with a ritual? The only importance of baptism is being baptized in the Holy Spirit.
Acts 19:4, "Paul said, “John baptized with a baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in the one who was to come after him," that is, in Jesus.”
Water baptism is simply a symbolic act on the part of someone who is already saved. By itself it accomplishes nothing.
Romans 6:4, "Therefore we have been buried with him through baptism into death, in order that just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too may live a new life." Now if you take that literally, it is murder.
Why are you so obsessed with a ritual? The only importance of baptism is being baptized in the Holy Spirit.
It actually isn’t quite as cut and dry as some may claim. That’s why we’re talking about this. It isn’t an obsession for me so no need to assign me as having one.
Look again at Acts 19:
Acts 19:1,2
1While Apollos was at Corinth, Paul passed through the interior and came to Ephesus. There he found some disciples 2and asked them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you became believers?”“No,” they answered, “we have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit.”
These people didn’t receive the Holy Spirit when they became believers. That’s clear. So we can safely say that just belief in Christ doesn’t necessarily get the Holy Spirit, though sometimes it does and there are verses to prove that too.
Romans 6 is about water baptism. Here’s a key point to consider:
Romans 6:4
4We were therefore buried with Him through baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may walk in newness of life.
When Christ was raised from the dead He experienced a bodily resurrection not a spiritual resurrection. It is only people who are spiritually dead and therefore only people can be spiritually resurrected.
So the kind of resurrection Romans 6 is referring to is a bodily resurrection because that’s the resurrection Jesus had.
Water baptism is being buried when someone goes down into the water and resurrected when they rise out of the water. Jesus wasn’t spiritually buried or spiritually resurrected; we’re talking about the Son of God here.
so Romans 6 is about resurrection. Water baptism is required to be in the physical body resurrection.
Look again at Acts 19:
Acts 19:1,2
1While Apollos was at Corinth, Paul passed through the interior and came to Ephesus. There he found some disciples 2and asked them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you became believers?”“No,” they answered, “we have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit.”
These people didn’t receive the Holy Spirit when they became believers. That’s clear. So we can safely say that just belief in Christ doesn’t necessarily get the Holy Spirit, though sometimes it does and there are verses to prove that too.
Romans 6 is about water baptism. Here’s a key point to consider:
Romans 6:4
4We were therefore buried with Him through baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may walk in newness of life.
When Christ was raised from the dead He experienced a bodily resurrection not a spiritual resurrection. It is only people who are spiritually dead and therefore only people can be spiritually resurrected.
So the kind of resurrection Romans 6 is referring to is a bodily resurrection because that’s the resurrection Jesus had.
Water baptism is being buried when someone goes down into the water and resurrected when they rise out of the water. Jesus wasn’t spiritually buried or spiritually resurrected; we’re talking about the Son of God here.
so Romans 6 is about resurrection. Water baptism is required to be in the physical body resurrection.
Great post.
Having said this, ''ALL Truth (for man) began in Genesis which proceeded Forth from the Mouth of God.'', I'm curious of your thoughts here.
When that is true how to explain the serpent entering Eden, the tree God planted and made off limits, and the subsequent fall of the human race.
How does your observation consolidate that?
Looking forward to your thoughts.😊💕🛐✝️🌈
Having said this, ''ALL Truth (for man) began in Genesis which proceeded Forth from the Mouth of God.'', I'm curious of your thoughts here.
When that is true how to explain the serpent entering Eden, the tree God planted and made off limits, and the subsequent fall of the human race.
How does your observation consolidate that?
Looking forward to your thoughts.😊💕🛐✝️🌈
Very good - and there is a special authoritative reason why He permitted Himself to be baptized.
He was pronouncing that the Deliverer has come as promised/prophesied in the Torah.
He was the Prophet who would lead His People into the Promised Land = which is His Body and Eternal Spirit = thru His death and Resurrection and Ascension = Hebrews ch6
"This hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and steadfast, and which enters the Presence behind the veil, 20where the forerunner has entered for us, even Jesus, having become High Priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek."
Therefore the reason why the Lord said "go and baptize in my Name"
A boats anchor goes down into the depths.
Our Eternal Anchor goes UP into Heaven and is irremovable at the Right Hand of the Father.
"the Spirit hovered over the waters"
He was pronouncing that the Deliverer has come as promised/prophesied in the Torah.
He was the Prophet who would lead His People into the Promised Land = which is His Body and Eternal Spirit = thru His death and Resurrection and Ascension = Hebrews ch6
"This hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and steadfast, and which enters the Presence behind the veil, 20where the forerunner has entered for us, even Jesus, having become High Priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek."
Therefore the reason why the Lord said "go and baptize in my Name"
A boats anchor goes down into the depths.
Our Eternal Anchor goes UP into Heaven and is irremovable at the Right Hand of the Father.
"the Spirit hovered over the waters"
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Why do people so often neglect mentioning the reason Jesus Himself said He was to be baptized?
What does it mean that Jesus' baptism fulfilled "all righteousness"? (neverthirsty.org)
What does it mean that Jesus' baptism fulfilled "all righteousness"? (neverthirsty.org)
The following is the context of what led up to Ananias telling Paul to be baptized to wash away his sins...
"And one Ananias, a devout man according to the law, having a good report of all the Jews which dwelt there,
13 Came unto me, and stood, and said unto me, Brother Saul, receive thy sight. And the same hour I looked up upon him.
14 And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth.
15 For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard.
16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord." Acts 22:12-16
"And one Ananias, a devout man according to the law, having a good report of all the Jews which dwelt there,
13 Came unto me, and stood, and said unto me, Brother Saul, receive thy sight. And the same hour I looked up upon him.
14 And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth.
15 For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard.
16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord." Acts 22:12-16
Paul's question in Acts 19 addresses whether people are saved the moment they believe.
He said HAVE you received the Holy Ghost SINCE you believed? His question makes the point that a person can believe yet not be indwelt by the Spirit of God. And as Paul said in Romans 8:9, those who do not have the Spirit of God dwelling in them are not saved. (Romans 8:9)
He said HAVE you received the Holy Ghost SINCE you believed? His question makes the point that a person can believe yet not be indwelt by the Spirit of God. And as Paul said in Romans 8:9, those who do not have the Spirit of God dwelling in them are not saved. (Romans 8:9)
Baptism in the name of the Lord does not pertain to receiving the Holy Ghost. The group had already received the Holy Ghost prior to Peter commanding they be baptized in water in the name of the Lord. (Acts 10:47-48)
"Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord..."
"Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord..."
Jesus was addressing those who refused to believe He was in fact the prophesied messiah of the OT scriptures.
Believing in Jesus and being obedient to His sayings is what brings about eternal life. According to Jesus, as His word expresses, those living in the NT dispensation must repent, be baptized (water baptism) in His name for the remission of sin, and also receive the infilling of the Holy Ghost.
To accept or reject what is clearly stated is a choice all must make.
Believing in Jesus and being obedient to His sayings is what brings about eternal life. According to Jesus, as His word expresses, those living in the NT dispensation must repent, be baptized (water baptism) in His name for the remission of sin, and also receive the infilling of the Holy Ghost.
To accept or reject what is clearly stated is a choice all must make.
To associate the God-given command to repent and be baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus for remission of sin with the scripture you reference is a grave error. Belief and obedience to God's doctrine is far removed from following doctrines/teaching of men.
Note verse 20 says, Therefore, IF YOU DIED WITH CHRIST from the basic principles of the world...why subject yourselves to regulations. according to commandments and doctrines of MEN? This has absolutely nothing to do with required obedience to the teachings of God.
Is Paul's own teaching a doctrine of men, I think not.
"Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin."
Note verse 20 says, Therefore, IF YOU DIED WITH CHRIST from the basic principles of the world...why subject yourselves to regulations. according to commandments and doctrines of MEN? This has absolutely nothing to do with required obedience to the teachings of God.
Is Paul's own teaching a doctrine of men, I think not.
"Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin."
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Then why do you reject what is clearly written, spoken of by the LORD, the Prophets and the Apostles whereby you elevate physical water equal to the finished work on the Cross.
Without the shedding of the Blood there is no forgiveness if sin.
Everyday sing this song of praise to the LORD Jesus Christ:
What can wash away my sin?
Nothing but the blood of Jesus;
What can make me whole again?
Nothing but the blood of Jesus.
Oh! precious is the flow
That makes me white as snow;
No other fount I know,
Nothing but the blood of Jesus.
For my pardon this I see--
Nothing but the blood of Jesus!
For my cleansing this my plea--
Nothing but the blood of Jesus!
Nothing can my sin erase
Nothing but the blood of Jesus!
Naught of works, 'tis all of grace--
Nothing but the blood of Jesus!
This is all my hope and peace--
Nothing but the blood of Jesus!
This is all my righteousness--
Nothing but the blood of Jesus!
Without the shedding of the Blood there is no forgiveness if sin.
Everyday sing this song of praise to the LORD Jesus Christ:
What can wash away my sin?
Nothing but the blood of Jesus;
What can make me whole again?
Nothing but the blood of Jesus.
Oh! precious is the flow
That makes me white as snow;
No other fount I know,
Nothing but the blood of Jesus.
For my pardon this I see--
Nothing but the blood of Jesus!
For my cleansing this my plea--
Nothing but the blood of Jesus!
Nothing can my sin erase
Nothing but the blood of Jesus!
Naught of works, 'tis all of grace--
Nothing but the blood of Jesus!
This is all my hope and peace--
Nothing but the blood of Jesus!
This is all my righteousness--
Nothing but the blood of Jesus!
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You love religion and outward observance more then loving the Truth of the Word thru the Spirit.
I fully understand water baptism as it is written.
You have made an idol of it = repent from this and turn back to being led by the Spirit of God.
It is written: "the letter of the law kills whereas the Spirit gives Life"
Your version of water baptism can save no one = placing the cart before the horse.
Myself and trillions of Believers had their sins completely washed away thru faith in the Completed Work of God on the Cross before they ever dipped their toe in water.
I fully understand water baptism as it is written.
You have made an idol of it = repent from this and turn back to being led by the Spirit of God.
It is written: "the letter of the law kills whereas the Spirit gives Life"
Your version of water baptism can save no one = placing the cart before the horse.
Myself and trillions of Believers had their sins completely washed away thru faith in the Completed Work of God on the Cross before they ever dipped their toe in water.
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Being a Christian, after the name and legacy of the Gospel Jesus-God sealed with his blood on the cross, I know Jesus said I am, all my sister's and brothers here and around the world, are saved the moment I,we, believe.
Please consider rethinking your agenda dedicated to trying to lead us to believe that is not true.
You will fail. And not in just this life but once you've passed from it you shall answer for every single word uttered and written in undertaking that effort.
Please consider rethinking your agenda dedicated to trying to lead us to believe that is not true.
You will fail. And not in just this life but once you've passed from it you shall answer for every single word uttered and written in undertaking that effort.
That's a false allegation.
No one has neglected mentioning why Jesus was baptized. You miss it likely because you're ignoring their posts.
Jesus said we are saved by faith. The moment we believe we are in his salvation.
Jesus-God cannot deny himself. He can be blasphemed by those who insist God's authority only succeeds if humans work to help him keep his word.
Interpolation damns.
Faith saves.
Otherwise every soul is destined to damnation for having died without their former perishable flesh going down in water.
No one has neglected mentioning why Jesus was baptized. You miss it likely because you're ignoring their posts.
Jesus said we are saved by faith. The moment we believe we are in his salvation.
Jesus-God cannot deny himself. He can be blasphemed by those who insist God's authority only succeeds if humans work to help him keep his word.
Interpolation damns.
Faith saves.
Otherwise every soul is destined to damnation for having died without their former perishable flesh going down in water.
