1 Cor.13:11 When i was a child....

[Abiding]

There isnt any reproof here that I am myself free from. My thoughts were about the
things ive seen here in the forums since im still new. Not putting anyone down
but confessing ive had miffs a few times. Im ok with the petty fights,they happen.

Heres my confusion: there are those who are always saying what christians DONT do.
example:dont war against satan, dont walk in the Spirit, dont obey Him and have His authority,
that they only live by the bible, dont hear His voice...belittling and presumptious talk in my opinion.
Not encouraging, instills a feeling of lack.

Sometimes in a family the older kids look down on the younger ones and tell them how
they dont understand. With my grandsons the oldest(6) one lives to help show the 2 younger
the ropes and giggled when thay didnt get it and would say...i know..let me show you. I was
surprised but blessed.

Isnt it the same in the church? why point out the obvious and appear to be elite. Paul
says ...if you have anything good than wasnt it given to you? freely ye have recieved, freely give!
I may just be ranting...but i think why not pass on the judgement and just encourage and feed the sheep?
Think there is a lack in christians? Fill it with simple teaching...Jay would say ...put the cookies on the bottom shelve so the kiddies can get them.

A child is expected to have childish behavior. But the greatest are the feetwashers and helpers,
they look over the flock and tend to their needs...not just point out their missing wool.

 

[Abiding]

ok if this is just me thats ok we all have our little foibles
Ill just deal with it.

 

[Avinu]

Abiding I like what you had to say, I am in complete agreement. May God forgive me if I have been that way at all with anyone. Shalom

 

[Abiding]

I love you Avinu...youve always been a defender of the gospel and have taught what you believed.
Brotherinarms Peace

 

[VW]

If you feel belittled, I would look inside first, rather than attack those things you do not understand. Every child of God should be growing, maturing, becoming more like Jesus. This does not happen by anything we do, we cannot make this change occur. This change comes from being near to God. Just as it is written in scripture, we with wide open eyes beholding the Lord as in a class that is dark, are changed into His image, from glory to glory.

Go ahead, be miffed at me.

 

[Abiding]

Why would you think i feel belittled? Far from it. I said miffed. Thats like a mild case of anger.
I dont attack things i dont understand, and looking inside is not a biblical option we are given.
Being miffed at you doesnt come by choice, its a natural response.

And it doesnt bother my conscience one bit, nice try!

If you come back the part for you was your levitations. Even Peter and Paul stayed on the ground floor
and fellowshiped on the same level as the rest. Jesus meek and lowly isnt behind the things i hear and see.

 

[pickles]

Actually, I have been trying to find the scripture read that speaks to this.
I think it was Paul, that said be careful about placing the mature understanding upon another before ready.
But I have seen these battles bring truth as well and Ive seen many here over the years.
It is only the witness damaged that brings saddness, to see the word of Jesus lost in a debate.
But then I saw that, who was I to think I could do better than Jesus Christ Our Lord in bringing and protecting His truth ?
In Jesus Christ come in the flesh, God Our Father , through His Holy Spirit will bring all that is His truth!!!
All praise, all glory is Our Lord God's in Jesus!

God bless.
pickles

 

[Abiding]

Yes battles over a belief happens and sometimes gets overheated. That part is unfortunatly par of the course
and that doesnt bother me not even a tiny bit...well sometimes it does...thats not my point here.
My point is an attitude that feels superior than others, more spiritually endowed, Its not that i have a problem
with spiritual endowment either. I want everyone to know more than me and be spiritually taller than me,
then come and minister to me.

Its the pomp and posture. Spurgeon and Edwards were known to be normal saints. Edwards always came off as being the
lowest and least whereever he went so it has been reported.

The wrestling over scripture and such i think is fine as long as you can learn, and if you cant or wont, why are you here.

 

[pickles]

Yes battles over a belief happens and sometimes gets overheated. That part is unfortunatly par of the course
and that doesnt bother me not even a tiny bit...well sometimes it does...thats not my point here.
My point is an attitude that feels superior than others, more spiritually endowed, Its not that i have a problem
with spiritual endowment either. I want everyone to know more than me and be spiritually taller than me,
then come and minister to me.

Its the pomp and posture. Spurgeon and Edwards were known to be normal saints. Edwards always came off as being the
lowest and least whereever he went so it has been reported.

The wrestling over scripture and such i think is fine as long as you can learn, and if you cant or wont, why are you here.

Consider what you have just stated, it is the mesure that reviels truth in Jesus.

Sometimes it is in sorrow, so that we may learn from Jesus.
None of us knows the whole truth, we are blessed if we can see through the glass darkly.
But like Paul said, soon we shall see in each other, face to face.
I love that scripture, so much given in so few words.
My hope is for one day, face to face!
I hope this helps some, it has brought comfort to my heart.
Always look to Jesus, He brings all needed in every and any challange.

God bless.
pickles

 

[VW]

Consider what you have just stated, it is the mesure that reviels truth in Jesus.

Sometimes it is in sorrow, so that we may learn from Jesus.
None of us knows the whole truth, we are blessed if we can see through the glass darkly.
But like Paul said, soon we shall see in each other, face to face.
I love that scripture, so much given in so few words.
My hope is for one day, face to face!
I hope this helps some, it has brought comfort to my heart.
Always look to Jesus, He brings all needed in every and any challange.

God bless.
pickles

I have no choice but to pit abiding on ignore again. He has decided that everything I write is in the spirit of my own superiority and that I completely lack humility.

I post the things I hear from the Spirit that I should post them. I have not even moved on into the meat of Godly living yet, because of the immature reactions of those who choose to attack the things they do not understand.

I did not make myself this person's enemy, he chose this position on his own.

Some words sound good, bit those words which come in the power of the Spirit bring life and peace in Christ Jesus.

That I have been unable to maintain peace with abiding is to my shame, but he questioned me with the intent of proving me to be false.

God bless you Margaret,
In Christ,
Vic

 

[Abiding]

Pickles, that went right over my head. But i will thank you for it anyway..
I did understand the part about .."always Look to Jesus"...ty again.
God bless U2

 

[Abiding]

I have no choice but to pit abiding on ignore again. He has decided that everything I write is in the spirit of my own superiority and that I completely lack humility.

I post the things I hear from the Spirit that I should post them. I have not even moved on into the meat of Godly living yet, because of the immature reactions of those who choose to attack the things they do not understand.

I did not make myself this person's enemy, he chose this position on his own.

Some words sound good, bit those words which come in the power of the Spirit bring life and peace in Christ Jesus.

That I have been unable to maintain peace with abiding is to my shame, but he questioned me with the intent of proving me to be false.

God bless you Margaret,
In Christ,
Vic

Nope if you want to backtrack the only war you get from me is when you quip
that im unable to understand spiritual things(meaning you).
or that im void of the Spirit(which makes me a infidel)
Or that im gona get the wrath of God (for correcting you)
This has been your doing. Ive been called a few bad names since ive been here
they didnt bother me. But your names and slanderous statements have been a bit different.
Youve said I dont believe in the HolySpirit more than once
Youve said I dont believe in the power of the Holyspirit more than once.
You say that a reverance for scripture is idol worship, as if the Holyspirit isnt indwelling me.
Thing is VW, I never provoked you to make those statements.

 

[VW]

You didn't?

Well,'did you ever actually understand what I am teaching?'

I really don't ever remember telling you that you did not have the Holy Spirit indwelling you. I do remember saying that we should be able to hear the voice of Jesus by the Holy Spirit who indwells us. This is something I have been given to teach in His name. That every child of God has the Son dwelling in them by the Holy Spirit, and that Jesus can and does communicate with us through Him (the Holy Spirit.)

From this everything has become wrong. I did not desire conflict with you in any fashion. I would rather not have posted anything at all than cause conflict. I honestly feel that you made yourself to be my enemy, and I do not know why.

In any case I know that I have offended you, and I suspect that I will do so in the future. Not much I can do about that.

In Christ

 

[unclefester]

I have no choice but to pit abiding on ignore again. He has decided that everything I write is in the spirit of my own superiority and that I completely lack humility.

I post the things I hear from the Spirit that I should post them. I have not even moved on into the meat of Godly living yet, because of the immature reactions of those who choose to attack the things they do not understand.

I did not make myself this person's enemy, he chose this position on his own.

Some words sound good, bit those words which come in the power of the Spirit bring life and peace in Christ Jesus.

That I have been unable to maintain peace with abiding is to my shame, but he questioned me with the intent of proving me to be false.

God bless you Margaret,
In Christ,
Vic

Get over yourself VW (woe is me). God does not require us. We require Him.

 

[Digital_Angel_316]

Yes battles over a belief happens and sometimes gets overheated. That part is
unfortunatly par of the course and that doesnt bother me not even a tiny bit...well sometimes it
does...thats not my point here. My point is an attitude that feels superior than others, more spiritually
endowed, Its not that i have a problem with spiritual endowment either. I want everyone to know more
than me and be spiritually taller than me, then come and minister to me.

Its the pomp and posture. Spurgeon and Edwards were known to be normal saints. Edwards always came
off as being the lowest and least whereever he went so it has been reported.

The wrestling over scripture and such i think is fine as long as you can learn, and if you cant or wont, why
are you here.

Sometimes we can avoid conflicts by:

1) Preparing in study and research of a topic

2) Ask or state as a question, rather than as an assertion --- (are you asking or teaching)

3) Detect, point out and correct logical fallacies, such as Ad Hominem or Red Herring

4) Get out of a religion or denominational view of a topic or issue and study the bible's
position (see 1 above)

5) State your frame of reference --such as -- "I'm a Baptist (or whatever) and I have
been taught or understand this or that "... etc ... it helps frame the discussion and let us
know 'where you are coming from'

6) Think through and organize particularly long or complicated posts/topics. Summarize
to start, then work from the summary -- It can be easy to lose translation or meaning in
large, convoluted posts.

7) Persevere, and keep an open mind -- ask, seek and knock --
this isn't an intellectual forum so ask away, but if you are teaching and you are not sure of
sound doctrine or are trying to assert some particular point of view, that will be detected
and absolutely by necessity needs to be responded to. Some might try to intentionally
sow discord, where others in good faith are simply seeking.

...
I will reserve comments on Edwards or Spurgeon (or Calvinism gone astray) in this post.

 

[Digital_Angel_316]

Think there is a lack in christians? Fill it with simple teaching...Jay would say ...put the cookies on the bottom shelve so the kiddies can get them.

A child is expected to have childish behavior. But the greatest are the feetwashers and helpers,
they look over the flock and tend to their needs...not just point out their missing wool.

You can't both sell us your Edwards and Calvinism and then ask to be treated as children.
Calvinism is leading us to Sharia Law, revealing the evil that once brought the Baptists to
condone slavery, now Sharia Law. Edwards lost, and lost New England, Joe Smith ran from
New England at the same time. Along with the Campbellites they ran into Charles Finney
and the truth of the Great Revival, not Edwards, not Mormons, Not Church of Christ, not
Calvinism.

1 Corinthians 3:1-3
And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as
unto babes in Christ. I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were
not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able. For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there
is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

Hebrews 5:12
For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again
which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of
milk, and not of strong meat.

Ephesians 4:14
That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every
wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to
deceive;

Old Man's Rubble:
Are you living in an old man's rubble
listening to - the Father of Lies?
If you are, you are headed for trouble
listen too long and you'll eventually die.
Amy Grant - Old Man's Rubble

Too Late:
Well, it's too late for walkin' in the middle
Too late to try
And it's too late for sittin' in the balance
No more middle line

Oh, it's too late for walkin' on fences
Time to choose your side
And it's too late for flirtin' with the darkness
Make up your mind

Oh, the time has come for makin' a decision
And you say, you've found the light
But the talk is cheap when I see the way you're livin'
Walkin' in the night
Amy Grant - Too Late

 

[zone]

Calvinism is leading us to Sharia Law, revealing the evil that once brought the Baptists

what nonsense

incidentally DA...what do have regarding "The Way"?

 

[FireOnTheAltar]

You can't both sell us your Edwards and Calvinism and then ask to be treated as children.
Calvinism is leading us to Sharia Law, revealing the evil that once brought the Baptists to
condone slavery, now Sharia Law. Edwards lost, and lost New England, Joe Smith ran from
New England at the same time. Along with the Campbellites they ran into Charles Finney
and the truth of the Great Revival, not Edwards, not Mormons, Not Church of Christ, not
Calvinism.

1 Corinthians 3:1-3
And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as
unto babes in Christ. I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were
not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able. For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there
is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

Hebrews 5:12
For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again
which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of
milk, and not of strong meat.

Ephesians 4:14
That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every
wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to
deceive;

Old Man's Rubble:
Are you living in an old man's rubble
listening to - the Father of Lies?
If you are, you are headed for trouble
listen too long and you'll eventually die.
Amy Grant - Old Man's Rubble

Too Late:
Well, it's too late for walkin' in the middle
Too late to try
And it's too late for sittin' in the balance
No more middle line

Oh, it's too late for walkin' on fences
Time to choose your side
And it's too late for flirtin' with the darkness
Make up your mind

Oh, the time has come for makin' a decision
And you say, you've found the light
But the talk is cheap when I see the way you're livin'
Walkin' in the night
Amy Grant - Too Late

Someone else has actually read Finney on Christian Chat? REJOICE! *lol*

While I don't believe that Calvinism is in any way associated with Islam, I do believe that a doctrine can be judged according to it's fruit just as a believer can. When you compare the good fruits of Calvinism against the bad. Well... history speaks for itself.

I do think it's hilarious how Calvinists to this day try to ruin the reputations of both Finney and Wesley, centuries after both have dead and buried.

 

[NoahsMom]

Abiding, I completely got what you were tryna say, God bless you .

 

[zone]

Someone else has actually read Finney on Christian Chat? REJOICE! *lol*

While I don't believe that Calvinism is in any way associated with Islam, I do believe that a doctrine can be judged according to it's fruit just as a believer can. When you compare the good fruits of Calvinism against the bad. Well... history speaks for itself.

I do think it's hilarious how Calvinists to this day try to ruin the reputations of both Finney and Wesley, centuries after both have dead and buried.

but you're happy to throw old calvin under the bus.
finney and wesley: yes. the second baptism thing.
christian perfectionism.
right.