BEWARE OF LEAVEN (Sin), EAT UNLEAVENED BREAD AND LIVE

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Amanuensis

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Sorry, but in this parable leaven is definitely connected with apostasy and false doctrine. Yes, leaven was used to make bread but at the end of the day God instituted the Passover (with unleavened bread) and the Feast of Unleavened Bread (practically one feast extending for many days) to teach Israel and Christians that sin and corruption must be purged out of their lives. We need to go behind the symbols. And Paul plainly equates leaven with MALICE AND WICKEDNESS. End of story.
It might be the end of the story for you but the majority of Christendom and scholarly commentaries agree that the most likely intended meaning is something similar to these few examples below.


enter the domain of a first-century woman and household cook in order to gain perspective on the domain of God. In view is the invasive character of leaven, the work of which is hidden but pervasive. In this case, confidence is expressed in the ability of a typically small portion of yeast to invade even “three measures of flour”— that is, enough to feed as many as 150 people, 34 an enormous yield for a peasant household. Set in relation to the healing

Joel B. Green. The Gospel of Luke (p. 527). Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing Co..

Combining the imagery of the mustard seed with the imagery of the yeast presents a picture of the penetration and expansive presence of God’s rule on earth. Jesus emphasizes how the presence of God’s authority among his people becomes more extended as his Spirit moves to draw more people into his saving care. The crucial point about growth is not numbers in the church or power in the culture, but a declaration about the protective presence of a caring God.

Bock, Darrell L.. Luke: The NIV Application Commentary from Biblical Text to Contemporary Life (pp. 383-384). Zondervan Academic.

The previous parable was concerned with the kingdom's extension sion through the world; this one rather with its transforming power. Where home-made bread was common people would grasp the point more easily than we do today. There seems no emphasis on the fact that the woman used three measures of meal (though this is the quantity used by Sarah, Gn. 18:6). It may have been the normal quantity, but it was not a small amount (Cf. NEB, 'half a hundredweight of flour'). Only a small amount of leaven is needed to make a large quantity of dough rise. Leaven is often used in Scripture to denote a bad influence, but there seems no reason for taking it in such a way here. The point is that a small quantity of leaven makes itself felt throughout a much larger mass. So with the kingdom. Leaven works quietly and unseen, and the kingdom works through Christ's influence on people's hearts, not in anything merely external and visible. It is perhaps worth noting also that leaven works from inside: it cannot change the dough while it is outside. But it is also important that the power to change comes from outside: the dough does not change itself.

Leon Morris. Luke (Tyndale New Testament Commentaries) (Kindle Locations 2860-2866).

The metaphor of leaven, while disorienting, focuses on the end result (like the first parable). Bread cannot rise without leaven. Jesus’ teaching and healing ministry set in motion an invisible process that would change Judaism and the world. Like leaven, it has an inward vitality that gives it the power to affect with its own quality whatever it touches.24 The leaven disappears when mixed with the dough, but it permeates it and inexorably does its work. As leaven has the
power to transform the dough into something new while at the same time maintaining continuity with the old, God’s reign is transforming Judaism. It would also have been jarring to many in Jesus’ audience that he connects the reign of God to a woman baking. The amount of meal, “three measures of flour” (σάτα τρία), is also large. It is about thirty-six quarts, close to fifty pounds. This is not a typical amount for a peasant household’s daily bread-making but suitable only for a large, festive party. The dissonant images, when taken together, prepare for the equally whimsical images of banquets with the guests of honor coming from surprising quarters, the four winds (13:24–30), the highways and alleys (14:16–24), and a far country (15:11–32). Those whom one would expect to be in attendance, however, are shut out. God’s reign will rescue the lost and the marginalized and restore those oppressed by Satan and be a cause for celebration. But it will exclude the clubby, self-righteous people who resist including these others, murmur against this iconoclastic vision of what God is doing, and want to enter God’s kingdom on their own terms.

Garland, David E.; Clinton E. Arnold. Luke (Zondervan Exegetical Commentary on The New Testament series Book 3) (pp. 927-928). Zondervan Academic.

Jesus’ Parable of the Leaven is found in two of the Gospels. It is a very simple story—a snapshot of life, really: “The kingdom of heaven is like yeast that a woman took and mixed into a large amount of flour until it worked all through the dough” (Matthew 13:33; cf. Luke 13:20-21).

Jesus uses this story as an object lesson to illustrate the kingdom of heaven. A woman takes yeast (leaven) and mixes it into dough. Eventually, the whole of the dough is leavened. What does it mean?

First, it’s important to define “kingdom of heaven.” By this, Jesus is referring to His domain as the Messiah. In the current age, the kingdom of heaven is spiritual, existing within the hearts of believers (Luke 17:21). Later, the kingdom will be manifest physically, when the Lord Jesus establishes His throne on this earth (Revelation 11:15).

In the Parable of the Leaven, we learn several things about the working of the kingdom in our present age. Each of these lessons stems from the nature of yeast.

First, the kingdom of God may have small beginnings, but it will increase. Yeast is microscopic in size, and only a little is kneaded into the dough. Yet, given time, the yeast will spread through all the dough. In the same way, Jesus’ domain started with twelve men in an obscure corner of Galilee, but it has spread throughout the world. The gospel makes progress.

Second, the kingdom of God exerts its influence from within, not from without. Yeast makes dough rise from within. God first changes the heart of a person, and that internal change has external manifestations. The gospel influence in a culture works the same way: Christians within a culture act as agents of change, slowly transforming that culture from within.

Third, the effect of the kingdom of God will be comprehensive. Just as yeast works until the dough has completely risen, the ultimate benefit of the kingdom of God will be worldwide (Psalm 72:19; Daniel 2:35). “The earth will be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea” (Habakkuk 2:14).

Fourth, although the kingdom of God works invisibly, its effect is evident to all. Yeast does its job slowly, secretly and silently, but no one can deny its effect on bread. The same is true of the work of grace in our hearts.

The nature of yeast is to grow and to change whatever it contacts. When we accept Christ, His grace grows in our hearts and changes us from the inside out. As the gospel transforms lives, it exerts a pervasive influence in the world at large. As we “reflect the Lord’s glory, [we] are being transformed into his likeness with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit” (2 Corinthians 3:18).
 
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The Feast of Unleavened Bread, which was formally introduced to the children of Israel upon their departure from Egypt, was rooted in a message from God going back to the beginning of time. That message, which was given to Adam, is simply “eating the wrong stuff will kill you”. (Here we are speaking about spiritual eating; however, God does have a physical dietary law, which is important as well.) And no we are not talking about eating an apple. We are commanded by God to abstain from leavening and to eat unleavened bread for seven days every spring, at the beginning of God’s year cycle (immediately after the Passover…Exodus 12:13-15). God is not a vain God and he is not in the business of just giving us something to do to pass time. Therefore, we should realize that this observance has great significance, even as it pertains to our salvation. By observing this feast we acknowledge our abstinence from sinful ways (leavening) and show our commitment to true worship (unleavened) of God. We all must reach this crossroad in our life, just as Israel reached it, after leaving Egypt. They immediately ate only unleavened bread (Exodus 12:39) signifying the beginning of their new walk with God.

Notice that this observance came on the heels of Israel’s redemption by the blood of the Passover lamb. Well, Jesus is the Passover lamb and he died on this very day (the Passover…Matthew 26:1,2). Either this was quite a coincidence or God is revealing his perfect plan to us. After we come under the blood of Jesus, by baptism, we must be committed to walking with him in truth (unleavened bread), leaving behind all falsehood (leavening). Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us: Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth” (I Corinthians 5:7,8).

Oh’ what a wonderful God we serve, who after he redeems us, tells us how the redeemed must walk to get life. Praise God! Many people believe that this feast along with God’s other Holy Days have been done away with. Why would God do away with his Perfect plan? Only Satan would promote such teaching, as he did with Adam and Eve after God had given them specific instructions. Many attempt to make this commandment too hard to fulfill, but how hard is it to change the bread you eat for one week? If we can buy a tree, haul it home, set it up and decorate it, which God never commanded, surely we can keep this feast, which he did command.
I must admit that I am not familiar with the feasts and I did understand that the spiritual bread or mana was the Lord for I would understand that this unleavened bread of which you speak is Him as well, ty for your writing and time I enjoyed reading!
 

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It might be the end of the story for you but the majority of Christendom and scholarly commentaries agree that the most likely intended meaning is something similar to these few examples below.


enter the domain of a first-century woman and household cook in order to gain perspective on the domain of God. In view is the invasive character of leaven, the work of which is hidden but pervasive. In this case, confidence is expressed in the ability of a typically small portion of yeast to invade even “three measures of flour”— that is, enough to feed as many as 150 people, 34 an enormous yield for a peasant household. Set in relation to the healing

Joel B. Green. The Gospel of Luke (p. 527). Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing Co..

Combining the imagery of the mustard seed with the imagery of the yeast presents a picture of the penetration and expansive presence of God’s rule on earth. Jesus emphasizes how the presence of God’s authority among his people becomes more extended as his Spirit moves to draw more people into his saving care. The crucial point about growth is not numbers in the church or power in the culture, but a declaration about the protective presence of a caring God.

Bock, Darrell L.. Luke: The NIV Application Commentary from Biblical Text to Contemporary Life (pp. 383-384). Zondervan Academic.

The previous parable was concerned with the kingdom's extension sion through the world; this one rather with its transforming power. Where home-made bread was common people would grasp the point more easily than we do today. There seems no emphasis on the fact that the woman used three measures of meal (though this is the quantity used by Sarah, Gn. 18:6). It may have been the normal quantity, but it was not a small amount (Cf. NEB, 'half a hundredweight of flour'). Only a small amount of leaven is needed to make a large quantity of dough rise. Leaven is often used in Scripture to denote a bad influence, but there seems no reason for taking it in such a way here. The point is that a small quantity of leaven makes itself felt throughout a much larger mass. So with the kingdom. Leaven works quietly and unseen, and the kingdom works through Christ's influence on people's hearts, not in anything merely external and visible. It is perhaps worth noting also that leaven works from inside: it cannot change the dough while it is outside. But it is also important that the power to change comes from outside: the dough does not change itself.

Leon Morris. Luke (Tyndale New Testament Commentaries) (Kindle Locations 2860-2866).

The metaphor of leaven, while disorienting, focuses on the end result (like the first parable). Bread cannot rise without leaven. Jesus’ teaching and healing ministry set in motion an invisible process that would change Judaism and the world. Like leaven, it has an inward vitality that gives it the power to affect with its own quality whatever it touches.24 The leaven disappears when mixed with the dough, but it permeates it and inexorably does its work. As leaven has the
power to transform the dough into something new while at the same time maintaining continuity with the old, God’s reign is transforming Judaism. It would also have been jarring to many in Jesus’ audience that he connects the reign of God to a woman baking. The amount of meal, “three measures of flour” (σάτα τρία), is also large. It is about thirty-six quarts, close to fifty pounds. This is not a typical amount for a peasant household’s daily bread-making but suitable only for a large, festive party. The dissonant images, when taken together, prepare for the equally whimsical images of banquets with the guests of honor coming from surprising quarters, the four winds (13:24–30), the highways and alleys (14:16–24), and a far country (15:11–32). Those whom one would expect to be in attendance, however, are shut out. God’s reign will rescue the lost and the marginalized and restore those oppressed by Satan and be a cause for celebration. But it will exclude the clubby, self-righteous people who resist including these others, murmur against this iconoclastic vision of what God is doing, and want to enter God’s kingdom on their own terms.

Garland, David E.; Clinton E. Arnold. Luke (Zondervan Exegetical Commentary on The New Testament series Book 3) (pp. 927-928). Zondervan Academic.

Jesus’ Parable of the Leaven is found in two of the Gospels. It is a very simple story—a snapshot of life, really: “The kingdom of heaven is like yeast that a woman took and mixed into a large amount of flour until it worked all through the dough” (Matthew 13:33; cf. Luke 13:20-21).

Jesus uses this story as an object lesson to illustrate the kingdom of heaven. A woman takes yeast (leaven) and mixes it into dough. Eventually, the whole of the dough is leavened. What does it mean?

First, it’s important to define “kingdom of heaven.” By this, Jesus is referring to His domain as the Messiah. In the current age, the kingdom of heaven is spiritual, existing within the hearts of believers (Luke 17:21). Later, the kingdom will be manifest physically, when the Lord Jesus establishes His throne on this earth (Revelation 11:15).

In the Parable of the Leaven, we learn several things about the working of the kingdom in our present age. Each of these lessons stems from the nature of yeast.

First, the kingdom of God may have small beginnings, but it will increase. Yeast is microscopic in size, and only a little is kneaded into the dough. Yet, given time, the yeast will spread through all the dough. In the same way, Jesus’ domain started with twelve men in an obscure corner of Galilee, but it has spread throughout the world. The gospel makes progress.

Second, the kingdom of God exerts its influence from within, not from without. Yeast makes dough rise from within. God first changes the heart of a person, and that internal change has external manifestations. The gospel influence in a culture works the same way: Christians within a culture act as agents of change, slowly transforming that culture from within.

Third, the effect of the kingdom of God will be comprehensive. Just as yeast works until the dough has completely risen, the ultimate benefit of the kingdom of God will be worldwide (Psalm 72:19; Daniel 2:35). “The earth will be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea” (Habakkuk 2:14).

Fourth, although the kingdom of God works invisibly, its effect is evident to all. Yeast does its job slowly, secretly and silently, but no one can deny its effect on bread. The same is true of the work of grace in our hearts.

The nature of yeast is to grow and to change whatever it contacts. When we accept Christ, His grace grows in our hearts and changes us from the inside out. As the gospel transforms lives, it exerts a pervasive influence in the world at large. As we “reflect the Lord’s glory, [we] are being transformed into his likeness with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit” (2 Corinthians 3:18).
Matthew 16:11
"How do you not understand that I was not telling you about bread?
But beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees."


Matthew 16:12
Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven
of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.


Matthew 16:6
“Watch out!” Jesus told them. “Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees.”


Mark 8:15
"Watch out!" He cautioned them. "Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of Herod."


Luke 12:1
In the meantime, a crowd of many thousands had gathered, so that they were trampling one another.
Jesus began to speak first to His disciples: "Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy."


Exodus 12:19
For seven days there must be no leaven found in your houses. If anyone eats something leavened,
that person, whether a foreigner or native of the land, must be cut off from the congregation of Israel.

Exodus 13:6
For seven days you are to eat unleavened bread, and on the seventh day there shall be a feast to the LORD.

Exodus 13:7
Unleavened bread shall be eaten during those seven days. Nothing leavened may
be found among you, nor shall leaven be found anywhere within your borders.
 

Amanuensis

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Matthew 16:11
"How do you not understand that I was not telling you about bread?
But beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees."


Matthew 16:12
Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven
of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.


Matthew 16:6
“Watch out!” Jesus told them. “Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees.”


Mark 8:15
"Watch out!" He cautioned them. "Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of Herod."


Luke 12:1
In the meantime, a crowd of many thousands had gathered, so that they were trampling one another.
Jesus began to speak first to His disciples: "Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy."


Exodus 12:19
For seven days there must be no leaven found in your houses. If anyone eats something leavened,
that person, whether a foreigner or native of the land, must be cut off from the congregation of Israel.


Exodus 13:6
For seven days you are to eat unleavened bread, and on the seventh day there shall be a feast to the LORD.


Exodus 13:7
Unleavened bread shall be eaten during those seven days. Nothing leavened may
be found among you, nor shall leaven be found anywhere within your borders.
Again. Leaven is used as a type or metaphor for something in the context in which you are reading. These references don't apply to any other context than the one where they are used. In Matt 13:33 and Luke 13:20 The parable is about the KINGDOM OF GOD.

Now I understand why some want to force an interpretation that the leaven mentioned in this parable of the woman baking bread is supposed to be an allegory of sin or false teaching, or some other negative application because of other texts in the bible, but I don't think that is what the hearers thought or what the parable means in these cases.

I think that the lesson is an encouraging lesson about the forward progress of the TRUE church and that will continue no matter how many TARES might spring up or how many FALSE teachers, or how many hypocrites are sitting in the pews, the TRUE church and the Kingdom of God will continue to spread from a small beginning. And it is even true today when a missionary starts a bible study in a community and it grows into a church that is planting other churches and continues to expand from faith to faith. This is the Kingdom of God that started with 12, then 120 then throughout the whole earth just like Jesus said.

I understand how the idea to turn the parable into an allegory comes from trying to apply the previous parable about the Tares to it so that one tries to read into it a repetition of the Tares parable that somehow the leaven is now pretend believers spreading throughout the church because they are trying to see it through the filter of the Tares parable but in my opinion that just does not seem to me what Jesus was communicating.

I could post about a dozen more commentaries that all agree that it is a parable of the forward advance of the growth of the TRUE church world wide (not the false church) but I think I made my point already that it is the MAJORITY view among scholars but some people think that the apostate church is the majority view and it really isn't. Reality Checks are good. :) Even if we don't agree we have at least learned that the apostate interpretation is not the majority view by far.

Matt 13

24Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: 25But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. 26But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. 27So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? 28He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? 29But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. 30Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.


31Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field: 32Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof.

33Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.

34All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:


In Luke he does not mention the parable of the Tares first. So when one reads Luke they are not even thinking about making the parable be about Tares which it probably isn't since Luke does not mention it. The parable of the Tares is not to be applied to these parables in order to read it into them.

Luke 13

18Then said he, Unto what is the kingdom of God like? and whereunto shall I resemble it? 19It is like a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and cast into his garden; and it grew, and waxed a great tree; and the fowls of the air lodged in the branches of it.

20And again he said, Whereunto shall I liken the kingdom of God? 21It is like leaven, which a woman took and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.

Looking up other texts where leaven is used as a type of something according to that immediate context and forcing it into this text is not a correct method of bible interpretation. Using methods like that one can teach just about any strange idea they want to. Turning the bible into one big allegory book of hidden meanings.

In Matt 13 and Luke 13 the parable (not allegory) of the woman baking bread is about THE KINGDOM OF GOD not about the nature of sin or false teachings. That is what he said it was about.

And again he said, Whereunto shall I liken the kingdom of God? 21It is like leaven, which a woman took and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.

Simply stated the hearers would get it. I do.

If one goes off on a rant about false teaching spreading throughout the church until the whole church is apostate that just does not agree with "Upon this rock I will build my Church and the Gates of Hell will not prevail against it"

Yes there are Tares among the wheat but the Tares are not the Kingdom of Heaven nor are they the True Church.

It does not agree with the Rock cut out of the mountain without hands striking the foot of the image and it crumbling and the rock growing up to fill the whole earth. The Kingdom of God will fill the whole earth from a small beginning in Jerusalem which it did and does.

Leaven can be used as a type of anything the parable teller wants to give it when he is telling his parable. In this case it was like the spread of the Kingdom of God. In another text it was like sin. In another text it was like being ready to leave in haste and not having time for rising bread. In another text it was about the doctrine/hypocrisy of the Pharisees.

And I can make up my own parable if I want and make it about something else. The typology is assigned by the speaker at the time the statements are made in the context in which the speaker is communicating them. It's not correct to force a definition or typology the writer was not intending because of another passage in another book from another author in a different context. Not correct at all.

The defeat of the True Church is not what Jesus is prophesying. I disagree with that whole heartedly.
 

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Jesus is the bread of life, the unleavened bread and is given to us each time we gather together and eat the body of Jesus given to us in the unleavened bread and drink his blood given to us in the wine ; proclaiming his death until He returns.
yeah there’s also another aspect he’s pointing out directly from the scripture

“Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us: Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness;

but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth(I Corinthians 5:7,8).

Paul’s using this example to restate something he always does in his letters we have to stop serving sin wi the our lives ( old leaven ) and start serving Gods Will ( new lump) it’s the same thing as thjs just a different visual example

“But ye have not so learned Christ; if so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:

that ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; ( old leaven )

and be renewed in the spirit of your mind; ( process of renewal by faith bekieving the gospel )

and that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.”( new lump )
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭4:20-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Paul uses other example to say the same thing we have to change our ways if we’re still living like we used to we can’t keep sinning and claiming to be righteous

your right Jesus body is the bread of life , but also we can’t keep living as rebellious sinners and just saying “ Jesus died for my ongoing sin so I don’t need to change it “

if we’re trying to only partake of communion to cover our ongoing sin we’ve missed the words intent to bring us to the need for repentance and upright living

we’re meant to be living for Jesus who died for us and not living for ourselves still

the old and new another example

“For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: and that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again. Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:14-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if we’re new creations we have to stop living like we aren’t that’s to keep eating the leavened bread and become defiled by it . We have to let go of the dead man in Christ the sinner and his Will and ways and out in the new man created by hearing and believing the gospel
 

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I am not sure what you just said. Are you trying to teach that eating things that involve yeast will kill us?

Are you suggesting that tacos are bad? Because if you are I am going to have to put you in the heresy column right now.

Let’s take a look at what Jesus says in verse 53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. 54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. 56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him. 57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me. 63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Jesus says the words he speak to us, is spirit and they are life. This is why it’s important to become a doer of the word and not just a hearer only. So we understand that drinking the blood of Jesus is the Passover and after the Passover is the Feast of Unleavened Bread, 4 These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons. 5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD's passover. 6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread. 7 In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein. 8 But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD seven days: in the seventh day is an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein. ( Leviticus 23: 4-8)
 

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Let’s take a look at this time is Jesus days. Let’s go into Matthew 27: 17 Now the first day of the feast of unleavened bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare for thee to eat the passover? 18 And he said, Go into the city to such a man, and say unto him, The Master saith, My time is at hand; I will keep the passover at thy house with my disciples. 26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body. 27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; 28 for this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

So Jesus died on the Passover because he is the Passover. Now, after the Passover come a High Sabbath Day, which is the feast of unleavened Bread. Let’s go to John 19: 31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

So we can see how all this ties together and how important it is to eat Unleavened Bread, that spiritual Bread that came from heaven. Now it’s good to eat physical clean Bread in general, but let’s take a look a something Jesus says in Matthew 4: 4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
 

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Let’s take a look at what Jesus says in verse 53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. 54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. 56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him. 57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me. 63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Jesus says the words he speak to us, is spirit and they are life. This is why it’s important to become a doer of the word and not just a hearer only. So we understand that drinking the blood of Jesus is the Passover and after the Passover is the Feast of Unleavened Bread, 4 These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons. 5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD's passover. 6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread. 7 In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein. 8 But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD seven days: in the seventh day is an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein. ( Leviticus 23: 4-8)
No, Jesus did not teach that Christians should observe the Jewish Passover. Or any other Jewish feast.

The spirit of His words were to believe in the broken body and shed blood and that it applies to me. That is what gives me eternal life.

The fact that Jesus was talking about spiritually eating and drinking should make sense to the person who is born again.

The Christian communion or Lord's Supper is a public declaration of a spiritual reality that we do as an act of Praising Jesus Christ for what he has done for us.

Read Hebrews and understand it and you will flee from every false teacher that tries to tell you that you should observe Jewish feasts. It is a major red flag of false teachers.
 

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Let’s take a look at what Jesus says in verse 53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. 54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. 56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him. 57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me. 63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Jesus says the words he speak to us, is spirit and they are life. This is why it’s important to become a doer of the word and not just a hearer only. So we understand that drinking the blood of Jesus is the Passover and after the Passover is the Feast of Unleavened Bread, 4 These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons. 5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD's passover. 6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread. 7 In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein. 8 But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD seven days: in the seventh day is an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein. ( Leviticus 23: 4-8)
Those things like the feasts established in Moses law were figures foretelling Christ and the gospel who fulfilled them

literally everything g Moses and the prophets wrote leads to Jesus and the gospel

“Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust. For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:39-40, 45-47‬ ‭KJV‬‬

one of the things Moses wrote about Jesus was

“And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken. I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭18:17-19‬ ‭a

peter claims that’s about Jesus and his word

“….God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began. For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.

Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.

Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭3:21-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬


And Jesus was claiming this

“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.”
‭‭John‬ ‭12:48-50‬ ‭KJV‬‬

see that is why jesus is saying this

“For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:22, 24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that is the fathers word spoken in christ
And so

“Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.

And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him. As he spake these words, many believed on him.

Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:28-32, 51‬ ‭KJV‬‬

this is all true because it’s Gods word in him Gods speaking in Christ through him to mankind

“Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip?

he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.”
‭‭John‬ ‭14:8-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Tha why his word on the gospel is the central foundation of faith it’s the word that God was promising for centuries that finally came to save man. It’s his own annointed world of life and spirit

Christs words arent Moses words Christs words are those he preached in the gospel

they are the reality of Moses shadows and symbols
 

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Let’s take a look at what Jesus says in verse 53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. 54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. 56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him. 57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me. 63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Jesus says the words he speak to us, is spirit and they are life. This is why it’s important to become a doer of the word and not just a hearer only. So we understand that drinking the blood of Jesus is the Passover and after the Passover is the Feast of Unleavened Bread, 4 These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons. 5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD's passover. 6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread. 7 In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein. 8 But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD seven days: in the seventh day is an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein. ( Leviticus 23: 4-8)
It's a very serious error to teach people to go back to a shadow instead of the Real thing Jesus Christ. Once Jesus fulfilled the reality of what the Passover foreshadowed the Passover shadow was done away with and Now we remember what Christ has done for us by faith not by literally eating anything. We don't kill a sacrificial lamb and eat it once a year in honor of Jesus and those who do are confused.
We eat of Christ by association and surrender and obedience. Spirit and truth. Spirit and Life. Not by an observance of any feast not even the literal Lord's Supper which is just a memorial that replaced the Passover.

This constant need of people to have some rituals to observe is an indication that they may not be born again. They are trying to take up religion. A need for liturgy and formal outward ceremony. It has always been the sign of a unregenerate mind.
 

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Leaven is BOTH sin and false doctrine (which is also sin). The "old leaven" is called malice and wickedness (which basically includes all sins).

Leaven was always a symbol for sin. Therefore only unleavened bread properly represents the sinless body of Christ. Which also means that unfermented grape juice properly represents the pure blood of Christ. It is significant to note that whenever the Lord's Supper is mentioned it is always "the cup" not "wine" (even though the word "wine" can mean unfermented grape juice). Thus "The cup of blessing which we bless is it not the communion of the blood of Christ?".
I am very much against doctrines that teach that references to wine in the Bible are grape juice and not actual wine.. The first miracle of Jesus was to turn water into wine and it was of such high quality that the man in control of the wedding feast criticized the bridegroom for leaving the best wine till last..

(John 2:9-11) "When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine, and knew not whence it was: (but the servants which drew the water knew;) the governor of the feast called the bridegroom, {10} And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now. {11} This beginning of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee, and manifested forth his glory; and his disciples believed on him."
 

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If the text of scripture is not answer enough then what can I say?
I don't know if you realize that you would never make a pastor. If I am approached about anything I teach, I do not say "Go and read the bible" That is insulting. I sit down with the person and find out what was not gelling with them and then answer using a different track because it is clear that the one, I used was not understandable to them.
 

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Just a quick note. Jesus' body was not broken for us. That refers to the standard practice of if at a certain time on the cross a person had not died, usually by asphyxiation caused by the weight of their body restricting their ability to breathe, the Centurion would break the legs of the person on the cross as that was certain to kill them. The scripture makes it quite clear that never happened to Jesus.

That is important in making his sacrifice on calvary a sacrifice as he offered himself and died willingly without any interference from humans. No one took his life from him. He gave it willingly.
 

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Just a quick note. Jesus' body was not broken for us. That refers to the standard practice of if at a certain time on the cross a person had not died, usually by asphyxiation caused by the weight of their body restricting their ability to breathe, the Centurion would break the legs of the person on the cross as that was certain to kill them. The scripture makes it quite clear that never happened to Jesus.

That is important in making his sacrifice on calvary a sacrifice as he offered himself and died willingly without any interference from humans. No one took his life from him. He gave it willingly.
You probably want to rethink that one.

Since Jesus said "this is my body which was broken for you" it would be obvious he was talking about the crucifixion in general as well as the floggings. He wasn't talking about bones specifically. It is still accurate for Jesus to say "my body which was broken for you" and not be referring to bones.

And since Jesus said "this is my body which is broken for you" It would not be a good idea to state "Jesus body was not broken for us"
 

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It's a very serious error to teach people to go back to a shadow instead of the Real thing Jesus Christ. Once Jesus fulfilled the reality of what the Passover foreshadowed the Passover shadow was done away with and Now we remember what Christ has done for us by faith not by literally eating anything. We don't kill a sacrificial lamb and eat it once a year in honor of Jesus and those who do are confused.
We eat of Christ by association and surrender and obedience. Spirit and truth. Spirit and Life. Not by an observance of any feast not even the literal Lord's Supper which is just a memorial that replaced the Passover.

This constant need of people to have some rituals to observe is an indication that they may not be born again. They are trying to take up religion. A need for liturgy and formal outward ceremony. It has always been the sign of a unregenerate mind.

The Apostle Paul and other Apostles didn’t do away with the Lord’s feasts. To the contrary, they knew the importance of these days and continued to observe them, even after Jesus was resurrected. Paul said, “...I must by all means keep this feast...” (Acts 18:21) and it is also written, “And we sailed away from Philippi after the days of Unleavened Bread...” (Acts 20: 6). Obviously Paul understood what a lot of people don’t understand today, and that is The Feast of Unleavened Bread is to be observed “by an ordinance forever” (Exodus 12:17). This observance is so important to God; he issued it with the death penalty if ignored. “...for whosoever eateth leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut off from Israel” (Exodus 12:15). Use some verses and scriptures if you respond please.