Nop, i used no bias sources even used or mentioned of Thayer and Strong who were members of the Wescott and Hort, yet they agree with Kjb. Well, Kjb text was well justified using other versions where the English candlestick or lamp stand get clearer. You bases might be coming from the Greek text which is moot here given clearer with other foreign translations? Saying Kjb does in error in this particular text without justification is not proven guilt. I still consider Kjb is far more clear here.
You don't realize that you are not using the Thayer's Greek Lexicon correctly when you think it is supporting the correctness of translating it as candlestick. Just because you see the word candlestick there in that article does not mean that is the word John used.
It is telling you how the Greek word lychnias has been translated into English. We know that. That is why we are discussing it.
As you can see from all the other translations the best English word is not candlestick. If you think John saw wax candlesticks you are wrong. He didn't even mention such a thing. He said lychnias and this word has a history of usage that can be known by anyone who wants to read about it. I won't keep posting about it. It is just too easy to Google. It's not a hard question to answer.
I still don't know why they thought that candlestick was as good as lampstand for conveying the meaning. Maybe they just didn't think the oil vs wax detail mattered. I do.
λυχνίας (lychnias)
Strong's Concordance
luchnia: a lampstand
Original Word: λυχνία, ας, ἡPart of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: luchnia
Phonetic Spelling: (lookh-nee'-ah)
Definition: a lampstand
Usage: a lamp-stand.
New International Version
I turned around to see the voice that was speaking to me. And when I turned I saw seven golden lampstands,
New Living Translation
When I turned to see who was speaking to me, I saw seven gold lampstands.
English Standard Version
Then I turned to see the voice that was speaking to me, and on turning I saw seven golden lampstands,
Berean Study Bible
Then I turned to see the voice that was speaking with me. And having turned, I saw seven golden lampstands,
Berean Literal Bible
And I turned to see the voice that was speaking with me. And having turned, I saw seven golden lampstands,
King James Bible
And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
New King James Version
Then I turned to see the voice that spoke with me. And having turned I saw seven golden lampstands,
New American Standard Bible
Then I turned to see the voice that was speaking with me. And after turning I saw seven golden lampstands;
NASB 1995
Then I turned to see the voice that was speaking with me. And having turned I saw seven golden lampstands;
NASB 1977
And I turned to see the voice that was speaking with me. And having turned I saw seven golden lampstands;
Amplified Bible
Then I turned to see the voice that was speaking with me. And after turning I saw seven golden lampstands;
Christian Standard Bible
Then I turned to see whose voice it was that spoke to me. When I turned I saw seven golden lampstands,
Holman Christian Standard Bible
I turned to see whose voice it was that spoke to me. When I turned I saw seven gold lampstands,
American Standard Version
And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And having turned I saw seven golden candlesticks;
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
And I turned to know that voice which spoke with me, and when I turned around, I saw seven menorahs of gold;
Contemporary English Version
When I turned to see who was speaking to me, I saw seven gold lampstands.
Douay-Rheims Bible
And I turned to see the voice that spoke with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks:
Good News Translation
I turned around to see who was talking to me, and I saw seven gold lampstands,
International Standard Version
Then I turned to see who was talking to me, and when I turned I saw seven gold lamp stands.
Literal Standard Version
And I turned to see the voice that spoke with me, and having turned, I saw seven golden lampstands,
New American Bible
Then I turned to see whose voice it was that spoke to me, and when I turned, I saw seven gold lampstands
NET Bible
I turned to see whose voice was speaking to me, and when I did so, I saw seven golden lampstands,
New Revised Standard Version
Then I turned to see whose voice it was that spoke to me, and on turning I saw seven golden lampstands,
New Heart English Bible
I turned to see the voice that spoke with me. Having turned, I saw seven golden lampstands.
Weymouth New Testament
I turned to see who it was that was speaking to me; and then I saw seven golden lampstands,
World English Bible
I turned to see the voice that spoke with me. Having turned, I saw seven golden lampstands.
Young's Literal Translation
And I did turn to see the voice that did speak with me, and having turned, I saw seven golden lamp-stands,
And below is what you might have been referring to. I don't think you understand how to use this reference tool.
Thayer's Greek LexiconSTRONGS NT 3087: λυχνία
λυχνία, λυχνίας, ἡ, a later Greek word for the earlier λυχνίον, see Lob. ad Phryn., p. 313f; (Wetstein (1752) on Matthew 5:15; Winers Grammar, 24); the Sept. for מְנורָה; a (candlestick) lampstand, candelabrum: Matthew 5:15; Mark 4:21; Luke 8:16; (Luke 11:33); Hebrews 9:2; the two eminent prophets who will precede Christ's return from heaven in glory are likened to 'candlesticks,' Revelation 11:4 (Buttmann, 81 (70); Winer's Grammar, 536 (499)); to the seven 'candlesticks' (Exodus 25:37 (A. V. lamps; cf. B. D. (especially the American edition), under the word )) also the seven more conspicuous churches of Asia are compared in Revelation 1:12f, 20; Revelation 2:1; κινεῖν τήν λυχνίαν τίνος (ἐκκλησίας) ἐκ τοῦ τόπου αὐτῆς, to move a church out of the place which it has hitherto held among the churches; to take it out of the number of churches, remove it altogether, Revelation 2:5.
Strong's Concordance
luchnia: a lampstand
Original Word: λυχνία, ας, ἡPart of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: luchnia
Phonetic Spelling: (lookh-nee'-ah)
Definition: a lampstand
Usage: a lamp-stand.
NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from luchnos
Definition
a lampstand
NASB Translation
lampstand (6), lampstands (6).
Check this out: From Bill Mounce
Dictionary:
λυχνία, -ας, ἡ
Greek transliteration:
lychnia
Simplified transliteration:
lychnia
Numbers
Strong's number:
3087
GK Number:
3393
Statistics
Frequency in New Testament:
12
Morphology of Biblical Greek Tag:
n-1a
Gloss:
lampstand (not a candlestick)
Definition:
a candlestick, lampstand, Mt. 5:15; met. a candlestick, as a figure of a Christian church, Rev. 1:12, 13, 20; of a teacher or prophet, Rev. 11:4
You don't take this listing from Bill Mounce and say that Bill Mounce says it should be candlestick. He is listing how it has been translated not that it SHOULD be. He does make a point that is should NOT be under Gloss:
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