Who Justifieth the Ungodly

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Nope. The verse clearly states that after a person hears, they believe and after a person believes, they are sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise (regenerated).

one must be made alive spiritually to hear

just more of your "one must be born again in order to believe that through which a person is born again" dogma

You're saying that Ephesians 1:13 applies to the believer after he/she is born again????


Ephesians 1:13 In whom [the Lord Jesus Christ] ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise


After you heard, you believed.

After you believed, you were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise (regenerated / born again)

You are suggesting the verse reads that a person is sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise (regenerated) before they hear/believe and, clearly, that is not how the verse is written.

Its simple, they are regenerated, or born of God, then they hear, then they are sealed, they will always believe forever now.

that is not how the verse is written. You again manipulate the text in order to force Scripture to align with your erroneous dogma. tsk, tsk ... such poor workmanship. Your manipulation again fails.

to be "regenerated, or born of God" is to be sealed with the holy Spirit of promise.

Acts 1:

4 And, being assembled together with them [speaking of Jesus and the apostles], commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.

5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.

The promise of the Father spoken of in Acts 1:4 = the holy Spirit of promise spoken of in Eph 1:13.

again, under your erroneous dogma, how many times must a person be born again before he/she is truly, really, really, really, scout's honor "born again"???
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Again, Vs 13 explains why some during the Ministry of Christ did receive His words and believed on Him

... just more of your "born again in order to believe that through which a person is born again" dogma ...

John 1:

11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

verse 12 explains what occurs when a person receives [Greek lambanō – to lay hold by aggressively (actively) accepting what is available] the Lord Jesus Christ as opposed to those who reject Him as those shown in vs 11.

Those who lay hold by actively accepting the Lord Jesus Christ are granted the privilege, honor, right to become sons of God.

even to them that believe on his name ... those who receive Him (lambanō – to lay hold by aggressively (actively) accepting) are the ones who believe on His name.

verse 13 explains that those who receive Him ... those who believe on His name are begotten of God ... not in some distant time in the past to which you continuously infer ... but at the time they received [Greek lambanō – to lay hold by aggressively (actively) accepting what is available] the Lord Jesus Christ and believed on his name (vs 12).

Again, under your erroneous dogma how many times must a person be born again before they are really, truly, really, really, really, scout's honor born again???
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I dont know where you got that from

Please refresh your memory because you appear to have forgotten what you have submitted in the discussion:


brightfame52 – Post 2189

Rom 12:3​

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3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.​

reneweddaybyday – Post #2205

I have no problem with Romans 12:3 ...​

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Since it is you who does not believe Romans 12:3, then it is you who has the problem with God.​

brightfame52 – Post #2234

You trying to make it apply to all mankind, when its referring only to the saints, particularly at the time of writing, the saints at rome Rom 1:7-8​

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7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.​

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8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.​

reneweddaybyday – Post #2271

... so now you want me to believe that Romans 1:18-32 refers only to believers????​

Now you claim you "don't know where [ I ] got that from"??? I "got that" from you ...

You claimed in your Post #2234 that Romans refers "only to the saints, particularly at the time of writing, the saints at Rom 1:7-8".

Since, according to you, Rom 12:3 applies "only to the saints, particularly at the time of writing, the saints at Rom 1:7-8", then Rom 1:18-32 applies "only to the saints, particularly at the time of writing, the saints at Rom 1:7-8".

that passage applies strictly to them that will never become believers, but are now and will forever remain under the wrath of God.

not true ... if, at any time, the person who is caught in the downward spiral shown in Rom 1:18-32 turns to the Lord, God, in His great mercy, grace, lovingkindness, will forgive.

Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

There is only one sin which will not be forgiven ... but you don't believe that.
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reneweddaybyday – Post 2206:

God justifies those who believe on Him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead for we are justified by faith. Those who reject God will find themselves rejected come judgment day.​

brightfame52 – Post 2235

God Justifieth the ungodly, so that means He Justified them before Faith​

reneweddaybyday – Post 2272

no it doesn't. Once a person is justified, they are no longer "ungodly".​

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So if a person is justified before he/she believes, he/she is not "ungodly".​

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Again, your erroneous dogma fails.​

Untrue

brightfame53, in your Post #910, you stated the following:

And its no where in scripture where the believer in Christ is stated to be the ungodly

Now you are adamant that once a person is born again, he/she is still considered "ungodly".

Not only does your erroneous dogma not align with Scripture, but your erroneous dogma does not align with itself!!!

READ YOUR BIBLE!!!

no it doesn't. Once a person is justified, they are no longer "ungodly".

Yes it does

brightfame52, a person who is justified is no longer considered "ungodly" because the Holy Spirit resides within. The Holy Spirit does not reside within the "ungodly".

Rom 4:5

But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

The word Justifirth here is not past tense

right ... so that means the person was not justified prior to the time he/she believes.

However, once a person is born again, he/she is no longer considered to be "ungodly".

its a present tense participle, Hes Justifying the ungodly ! So if Justifying is in the present tense, so are the ungodly he is Justifying.

Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

The word believeth is also present tense.

The ungodly person believes and God imputes righteousness to him/her right then, right when the person believes (present tense) ... God justifies that person, right then (present tense) ... at that point, they are no longer "ungodly".

Prior to being justified, all born again ones were ungodly (even your so-called "elect"). Once a person is born again, the Holy Spirit resides within. The born again one is no longer "ungodly".

So if a person is justified before he/she believes, he/she is not "ungodly".

Untrue, they are Justified while ungodly

if they are "justified", they are no longer "ungodly".

just like He reconciled them before Faith and while enemies

you've got the same problem here as well. If a person is already justified before he/she believes, he/she is not an "enemy" of God.

if reconciled while enemies

Again, if a person is "reconciled" to God, there is no more enmity.

Those who are justified are no longer "ungodly".

Those who are reconciled are no longer "enemies".


brightfame52, you need to stop trying to force Scripture to align with your erroneous dogma. You are to align your dogma with Scripture. Where your dogma is in error, let go of the error.

READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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reneweddaybyday – Post 2207

righteousness is imputed when a person believes​

brightfame52 – Post 2236

righteousness is received[into the conscience] when one believes, it existed before God prior to their believing​

reneweddaybyday – Post 2273

113 pages into this thread and you have provided no support for your erroneous dogma that " righteousness is received[into the conscience] when one believes, it existed before God prior to their believing "​

Thats what Justification by Faith is.

justification by faith is what God says it is ... not what your erroneous dogma claims.

God reveals when He justifies mankind ... no need for any embellishment by you:

Romans 4:

20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;

21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.

22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.

23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;

24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ

vs 24 - righteousness is imputed when a person believes on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead ... not before.

vs 1 - therefore being justified by faith ... the text does not read "therefore being justified before faith".

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brightfame52 your Post #2311 is nothing but a mangled mess!!!

In Post #2311, you've got yourself saying:

All these refer to the Justified world of the Elect !​

... "Justified world of the Elect ! " another made up term of your erroneous dogma ...​

And then you reply to yourself:

No its the truth of scripture.​

Quit acting like such a buffoon ... Learn how to properly submit posts in the Christian Chat forum. There's a "User2User Tech Support" forum where you can chat with other users who are much more adept at submitting posts than you are. Go there and find out what you need to do in order to submit a post without mangling the discussion.
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reneweddaybyday – Post 2208

Your feeble attempts to make faith a "doing of the Law" are nothing but the musings of your erroneous dogma.​

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The whole purpose of the law is to bring us to Christ that we might be justified by faith:​

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Galatians 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.​

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To be justified by faith is one of the weightier matters of the law the scribes and pharisees failed to comprehend ... and it appears you are following in their steps in your "faith is law keeping" fallacy.​

brightfame52 – Post 2238

your human faith error has backed you up into a corner​

reneweddaybyday – Post 2274

Your "human faith" is another made up term of your erroneous dogma.​

It clarifies your error

Another of your fallacies. Your "human faith" is a term you have made up in order to support your erroneous dogma.

Scripture tells us there is one faith:

Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism

I will hold to Scripture.

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brightfame52 – Post 2204

Limited atonement is the doctrine of God​

reneweddaybyday – Post 2212

nope ... it is a construct of the doctrine of calvinism.​

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limited atonement is the third letter of the acronym TULIP which is commonly known as the five points of calvinism.​

brightfame52 – Post 2240

Oh Yes its a doctrine of God, limited atonement is​

reneweddaybyday – Post 2276

nope ... look at how you have to manipulate Scripture in order to prop up your beloved "limited atonement" dogma​

every one of those verses apply to the elect

Like I said, brightfame52, you have no problem manipulating Scripture because you do not believe Scripture. You add a little here, remove a little there ... and the result is unscriptural ... merely the musings of vain imagining

in 1 Tim 2:4, you have to change "all man" to "all elect"

1 Timothy 2:4 Who [God] will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.


in John 1:29, John 3:16-17, 1 John 2:2, you have to change "the world" and "the whole world" to "the world of the elect"

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

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reneweddaybyday – Post 2276

The word "partakers" is translated from the Greek word koinōneō which means communion, fellowship, share fully. All descendants of Adam share fully in flesh and blood of mankind.​

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The words "part of the same" are translated from the Greek word metechó which means a share of. The Lord Jesus Christ did not partake fully ... He took on Himself only a part.​

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The part of the same the Lord Jesus Christ took was flesh ... not blood.​

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John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.​

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The Lord Jesus Christ did not partake of the blood of men. The Lord Jesus Christ is the only begotten of the Father.​

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All the rest of mankind ... all descendants of Adam ... all come from one blood:​

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Acts 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation​

Stop making race an issue in Salvation in Christ !

Intentionally obtuse ... a poor debate tactic on your part due to your inability to refute the central point.
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reneweddaybyday – Post 2276

The Lord Jesus Christ did not partake of the blood of men. The Lord Jesus Christ is the only begotten of the Father.​

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All the rest of mankind ... all descendants of Adam ... all come from one blood:​

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Acts 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation​

Yeah, but not all nations of men from Adam are the seed of Abraham. God seperated the seed of Abraham from the other people of the world

Hebrews 2:

14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.


The point of Heb 2:14 is that the Lord Jesus Christ took upon Himself only a part of flesh and blood. The part the Lord Jesus Christ took upon Himself was flesh (John 1:14).

The point of Heb 2:15 is that the Lord Jesus Christ came to deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage ... this is talking about all descendants of Adam. That would be all mankind whether or not they are lineal descendants of Abraham.

The point of Heb 2:16 is that the Lord Jesus Christ did not take upon Himself the nature of angels because the Lord Jesus Christ did not come to redeem angels. The Lord Jesus Christ came to redeem mankind ... all mankind. The only reason the seed of Abraham is mentioned in this verse is because the Book of Hebrews is written to Hebrew (lineal descendants of Abraham) believers.

From Summary of the Book of Hebrews (bold mine):

The late Dr. Walter Martin, founder of the Christian Research Institute and writer of the best-selling book Kingdom of the Cults, quipped in his usual tongue-in-cheek manner that the Book of Hebrews was written by a Hebrew to other Hebrews telling the Hebrews to stop acting like Hebrews. In truth, many of the early Jewish believers were slipping back into the rites and rituals of Judaism in order to escape the mounting persecution. This letter, then, is an exhortation for those persecuted believers to continue in the grace of Jesus Christ.​

https://www.gotquestions.org/Book-of-Hebrews.html​

You do know that the first usage of the word "Hebrew" relates to Abraham, yes?

Genesis 14:13 And there came one that had escaped, and told Abram the Hebrew; for he dwelt in the plain of Mamre the Amorite, brother of Eshcol, and brother of Aner: and these were confederate with Abram.

Hebrew means "one from beyond" because Abraham had come from Ur of the Chaldees (Gen 11:31).
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brightfame52 – Post 2209

Plus by creation man is bound by law to have Faith in God, which is a law of creation Matt 23:23​

reneweddaybyday – Post 2213

The "law" to which the Lord Jesus Christ referred in Matt 23:23 was the lawl of Moses.​

brightfame52 – Post 2246

you put yourself under the law​

reneweddaybyday – Post 2281

nope ... just because you believe faith = law does not mean faith = law. That's just your erroneous dogma.​

you make anything a condition that must be done prior to God Justifying you, technically its law

Let go of your erroneous dogma which tells you that faith is "technically its law".

Scripture says no such thing ... you know it ... I know it ... I know you know it ... but you just keep trying to force Scripture to align with your erroneous dogma.

Scripture plainly states that faith ≠ works:

Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Clearly faith is not works. And for you to continue to insist that faith = works is nothing but you suppressing the truth in unrighteousness (Rom 1:18).
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Like Jesus said, human faith

Jesus said nothing about "human faith" because there is no such thing as "human faith".

"human faith" is nothing but a construct of your erroneous dogma ...

Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive





reneweddaybyday – Post 2195

Your claim that faith = works does not line up with Scripture. Romans 4 tells us faith ≠ works:​

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Romans 4:​

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3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. ​

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4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.​

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5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.​

brightfame52 – Post 2209

Good passage which I agree with​

reneweddaybyday – Post 2213

Then you finally agree faith ≠ works.​

brightfame52 – Post 2247

I have always agreed with scripture​

reneweddaybyday – Post 2282

Then you can stop with your fallacious "faith is law" nonsense.​

it is, ask Christ Matt 23:23

Because you misinterpret what the Lord Jesus Christ told the scribes and pharisees in Matt 23:23, you have the Lord Jesus Christ contradicting what is written in Romans 4:5.

There is no contradiction in Scripture.

The contradiction is between your erroneous dogma and Scripture. You are not to try to force Scripture to align with your erroneous dogma. You are to align your dogma to Scripture and where your dogma is in error, get rid of the error.
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John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Those verses pertain to the elect

nope, the Greek word eklektos (English "elect") does not appear in any of those verses

In fact, the word eklektos (English "elect") does not appear in the gospel of John at all, nor does it appear in the epistle of 1 John.

Your attempt to try to force Scripture to align with your erroneous dogma has again failed.
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reneweddaybyday – Post 2214

What the verse does not state is that a person is "born of God before they believe", which is what you claimed in your Post #2129.​

brightfame52 – Post 2250

the verse is saying that the one believing has been born of God​

reneweddaybyday – Post 2284

1 John 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.​

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you gonna accuse the 1 John 5:1 folks of "Justification by keeping the law" ... or is that accusation only for those of us on this thread who do not fall for your erroneous dogma???​

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Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive​

1 Jn 5:1 and John 1:12-13 teach that new birth preceded

just more of your "one must be born again in order to believe that through which a person is born again" dogma

again, under your erroneous dogma, how many times must a person be born again before he/she is truly, really, really, really, scout's honor "born again"???
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you teach that sinners Christ died for shall still be lost in their sins, that amounts to Christs death being worthless

another blasphemous statement from the keyboard of brightfame52.

Provide the post submitted by me wherein I stated what you claim I said. You cannot.

You are the only one who has made that statement.

Excerpt from "What is the unpardonable sin / unforgivable sin?"

The only unpardonable sin today is that of continued unbelief. There is no pardon for a person who dies in his rejection of Christ. The Holy Spirit is at work in the world, convicting the unsaved of sin, righteousness, and judgment (John 16:8). If a person resists that conviction and remains unrepentant, then he is choosing hell over heaven. “Without faith it is impossible to please God” (Hebrews 11:6), and the object of faith is Jesus (Acts 16:31). There is no forgiveness for someone who dies without faith in Christ. God has provided for our salvation in His Son (John 3:16). Forgiveness is found exclusively in Jesus (John 14:6). To reject the only Savior is to be left with no means of salvation; to reject the only pardon is, obviously, unpardonable.
https://www.gotquestions.org/unpardonable-sin.html

Thats because Christ didnt die for those who continue in unbelief permanently.

the Lord Jesus Christ died for all descendants of Adam ... the world ... the whole world.

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Under your erroneous dogma you have to manipulate the plain words of Scripture to align with your error. That is improper interpretation of Scripture. You are to align your dogma to Scripture and where your dogma is in error you are to let go of the error.

If Christ died for someone, their unbelief is pardoned, and they are given the gift of Faith as proof.

Faith is not the proof that the Lord Jesus Christ died for the world, the whole world, all descendants of Adam.

The resurrection is the proof.

1 Corinthians 15:

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures

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17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.


If a person hears the gospel and does not believe it is not because Christ did not die for him/her.

It is because that person suppresses the truth in unrighteousness as shown in Romans 1:

Romans 1:

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse


vs 18 – the words "who hold" are translated from the Greek word katechō which means to restrain, suppress.

vs 19 – the words "hath shewed" are translated from the Greek word phaneroō which means apparent, manifest, evident known.

vs 20 – they are without excuse

These verses make clear that the reason some reject is because they turn from the truth when God's Word is revealed to them ... not because they do not have faith, or that faith is withheld from them ... but because they suppress the truth when truth is revealed to them.

Quit making claims that are wholly unsupported in Scripture.

Unbelief is a sin that Christ died for, so its never laid to the charge of Gods elect

That is a lie from the pit.

Your so-called "elect" is born into this world in the image and likeness of his/her earthly father and mother (i.e. natural man).

All descendants of Adam live as shown in Ephesians 2:2-3:

2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.


vs 3 makes clear that all lived as described in vs 2.

Your so-called "elect" fallacy again fails under the scrutiny of the full light of Scripture.

Once a person is born again, he/she leaves that life of living according to the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind. He/she is joined to the Elect of God, the Lord Jesus Christ, Who is head over His body and each born again one is a member in particular.

No one is "elect" until he/she is a member in particular of the Elect of God, the Lord Jesus Christ.
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The death of Christ ... results in their Legal Justification

Justification results from faith in the One Who justifies.

Thats false

nope

All your attempts to eliminate the faith issue fail because Scripture tells us in numerous places:

Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith

it promotes Justification by works

Nope, Scripture makes clear that faith ≠ works

Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Clearly faith is not works. And for you to continue to insist that faith = works is nothing but you suppressing the truth in unrighteousness (Rom 1:18).

Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith

Thats True

just leave it at that and you're fine ... the rest of your statement has no basis in Scripture and is just more of your erroneous dogma.
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if Christ hath died for us, whether we have belived or not, we are Justified

lie

Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith

our repentance is not required

lie

Matthew 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Matthew 11:20 Then began he [Jesus] to upbraid the cities wherein most of his mighty works were done, because they repented not

Mark 6:12 And they [the 12 apostles] went out, and preached that men should repent

Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;


... just a sampling. But clearly your erroneous dogma is not in alignment with Scripture.
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Listen, what man made religion is so ignorant of is this: That Jesus Christ's Resurrection from the dead, was not because of or for His Own Justification of Himself as a private individual, but because of the Justification of all those for whom their offences He was delivered for !

Listen, what you are ignorant of is the fact that the grave could not, under any circumstances, hold the Lord Jesus Christ:

Acts 2:

23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.

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27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

The Resurrection of Christ is evidence that all for whom He died and rose again in behalf of, that they have been credited with Justification of Life

the Lord Jesus Christ died for all descendants of Adam ... the world ... the whole world.

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.


Under your erroneous dogma you have to manipulate the plain words of Scripture to align with your error. That is improper interpretation of Scripture. You are to align your dogma to Scripture and where your dogma is in error you are to let go of the error.
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believers or christians do make a claim to believe this Truth of " Justification freely by the Grace of God" , but its my privilege to tell ya that they really dont believe it at all !

James 4:12 ... who art thou that judgest another?

their supposed Justification by Grace freely, in reality is Justification because of their act of faith or belief, but that doesn't qualify to being freely Justified by His Grace !

Romans 3:

22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;


And please do not ignore the fact that Scripture makes clear that faith ≠ works

Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Clearly faith is not works. And for you to continue to insist that faith = works is nothing but you suppressing the truth in unrighteousness (Rom 1:18).

Paul explains why its without cause and by Grace, why its a Gift reckoned upon the Justified ones based solely the Redemption that is by Christ's Blood [being Justified by His Blood Rom 5:9]; They were Justified freely by His Grace as a Gift

when you read Rom 5:9, have you already forgotten what you read in Rom 5:1? ... and the verses in Rom 4 which tell us faith ≠ works???

God expects us to keep in mind what we have read in Scripture so we do not make the same mistake you have made in wholly removing justification by faith as shown in Rom 4 – Rom 5:1.

Quit trying to force Scripture to align with your erroneous dogma. You are to align your dogma to Scripture and where your dogma is in error, let go of the error.
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Faith in Christ is not required to be Justified

It is written

Romans 4:

20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;

21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.

22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.

23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;

24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ


Your erroneous dogma has failed again when the light of Scripture scrutinizes your fallacious claims.
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