Calvary Chapel was big into the purity movement. Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa and a high school that taught dancing. They had the footsteps on the floor to follow, but students were not allowed to touch each other. They feared teens touching and dancing would arouse desires. I was teaching a Sunday School class there so that's how I know.
What age range was 1 Corinthians 7:9 intended for?
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“Women got married around the age of 15, boy around the ag”
yeah I’m sure some women did that’s not what the scriptire is talking about though was my point
“]I can't spare the time to read your morbidly inconcise filibuster posts anymore; but I assure you: I'm not gonna sit by when somebody is trying to fear other people into marriage. Have a good day”
lol oh , alright sounds good. Just an fyi you can block me so you don’t ever have to see anything I have to say
yeah I’m sure some women did that’s not what the scriptire is talking about though was my point
“]I can't spare the time to read your morbidly inconcise filibuster posts anymore; but I assure you: I'm not gonna sit by when somebody is trying to fear other people into marriage. Have a good day”
lol oh , alright sounds good. Just an fyi you can block me so you don’t ever have to see anything I have to say
Except that when you "Have SEX" - you ARE Married. just ask Jacob. The "Wedding" is really nothing more that the execution of a civil contract, establishing things like Property ownership, taxation, access rights, etc.
In the U.S., our "morals" being what they are, a significant number of "Weddings" are performed on couples that have been MARRIED for months, and are often already in multiple adulteries.
In the U.S., our "morals" being what they are, a significant number of "Weddings" are performed on couples that have been MARRIED for months, and are often already in multiple adulteries.
Maybe in our cases. I certainly hope for all of us.
But as a doctrinal principal, ummm. No. That's not right. David had sex with Bathsheba, but she was already married.
When Dinah fornicated with Shechem... or was raped or whatever... Hamor, Shechem's dad knew better than to think that they were married. He asked Israel to give her in marriage to his son. In the Old Testament, if a man raped or seduced a virgin, they were not married. He was legally obligated to marry her, but only if the father would give her to him in marriage. Otherwise, they were not married.
If a girl played the harlot in her father's house, got married off as a virgin, then it was discovered that she was not one, she could be put to death for playing the harlot in her father's house. Again, there is a distinction between playing the harlot and being married.
Pagan Romans had a custom of the couple speaking in front of a priest to ascent to the marriage. ("Where you are Gaius, I am Gaia.") The bride wore a ring on her ring finger. They plugged in a church elder and changed the words, apparently, and that became the Christian wedding. Since the verse, 'What God has joined together let not man put together" got quoted in some ceremonies, some pastors seem to think they have the mystical ability to join a couple in marriage.
But in scripture, at least for never-married or virgin daughters, the father gives in marriage.
If that were the case, we should encourage teenagers who started dating and lost virginity to one another to keep having sex to meet one another's sexual needs (rendering due benevolence.) But it is not marriage. It is called fornication.
But as a doctrinal principal, ummm. No. That's not right. David had sex with Bathsheba, but she was already married.
When Dinah fornicated with Shechem... or was raped or whatever... Hamor, Shechem's dad knew better than to think that they were married. He asked Israel to give her in marriage to his son. In the Old Testament, if a man raped or seduced a virgin, they were not married. He was legally obligated to marry her, but only if the father would give her to him in marriage. Otherwise, they were not married.
If a girl played the harlot in her father's house, got married off as a virgin, then it was discovered that she was not one, she could be put to death for playing the harlot in her father's house. Again, there is a distinction between playing the harlot and being married.
Pagan Romans had a custom of the couple speaking in front of a priest to ascent to the marriage. ("Where you are Gaius, I am Gaia.") The bride wore a ring on her ring finger. They plugged in a church elder and changed the words, apparently, and that became the Christian wedding. Since the verse, 'What God has joined together let not man put together" got quoted in some ceremonies, some pastors seem to think they have the mystical ability to join a couple in marriage.
But in scripture, at least for never-married or virgin daughters, the father gives in marriage.
If that were the case, we should encourage teenagers who started dating and lost virginity to one another to keep having sex to meet one another's sexual needs (rendering due benevolence.) But it is not marriage. It is called fornication.
“Paul was encouraging marriage to control the desires. Marriage started at around 16, just before the peak of the hormones.”
yeah that sounds logical but there were a lot of unmarried people also is the thing it wasn’t a rule that they got married at any certain age . I agree though one of ouls
Many points is if one is consumed with lust or the idea hat they want marriage they should get married so they aren’t piñon go way and conmiting forrnication
“Today the church wants you to control the hormones. That does not happen. Try telling a teen not to think of sex. They will laugh at you”
yeah the same could be said of anyone less than probably 45 I’d say or most anyways 30 year olds who are married still burn with lust and commit affairs
but again my point is that Paul is not talking about anyones age in any way in that whole chapter it’s about marriage and non marriage.
Paul is t saying marriage is bad or good me people are called to be married in the lord he had thier spise selected before the world
Began and others he has a different plan for thier life they may never fit into a marriage in Gods Will
Paul is giving practical advice to Christian’s regarding marriage he makes several points but age isn’t one of them eas my only point I’m not sure it has anything to do with age it has to do with marriage inside the church
I’m sure some were telling others “ of your not married your not blessed or complete and others were probably saying marria he is a hindrance to faith “
mostly oaulsmletters are sent to correct thinking in the churches about things they argued about and didn’t understand
just the text itself really makes what he’s saying perfectly clear it’s just a matter of whether we can hear it and accept what he’s saying
See that had actually written to Paul and asked him to clarify this issue the chapter starts like this
“Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.”
1 Corinthians 7:1 KJV
He’s answering a letter from them over issues they were conflicted about his answer is what follows to the end there of the chapter
“Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.”
1 Corinthians 7:2
He then instructs that married couples shouldt deny the others marital wants and needs only during a
Mutual time of prayer thoroughbred e next few verses then he continues and touches on other points regarding his answer
He then explains what if one is an unbeliever and thoer spouse isn’t ? He explains that then moves on to other points
“Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called. But this I say, brethren, the time is short: it remaineth, that both they that have wives be as though they had none; and they that weep, as though they wept not; and they that rejoice, as though they rejoiced not; and they that buy, as though they possessed not; and they that use this world, as not abusing it: for the fashion of this world passeth away. But I would have you without carefulness. He that is unmarried careth for the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please the Lord: but he that is married careth for the things that are of the world, how he may please his wife. There is difference also between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please her husband. And this I speak for your own profit; not that I may cast a snare upon you, but for that which is comely, and that ye may attend upon the Lord without distraction.”
1 Corinthians 7:20, 29-35
and so on Paul’s covering questions they had that were becoming issues within the group but yeah probably they married younger I assume also I’m not saying your wrong just that isn’t what any of the scripture there is about
yeah that sounds logical but there were a lot of unmarried people also is the thing it wasn’t a rule that they got married at any certain age . I agree though one of ouls
Many points is if one is consumed with lust or the idea hat they want marriage they should get married so they aren’t piñon go way and conmiting forrnication
“Today the church wants you to control the hormones. That does not happen. Try telling a teen not to think of sex. They will laugh at you”
yeah the same could be said of anyone less than probably 45 I’d say or most anyways 30 year olds who are married still burn with lust and commit affairs
but again my point is that Paul is not talking about anyones age in any way in that whole chapter it’s about marriage and non marriage.
Paul is t saying marriage is bad or good me people are called to be married in the lord he had thier spise selected before the world
Began and others he has a different plan for thier life they may never fit into a marriage in Gods Will
Paul is giving practical advice to Christian’s regarding marriage he makes several points but age isn’t one of them eas my only point I’m not sure it has anything to do with age it has to do with marriage inside the church
I’m sure some were telling others “ of your not married your not blessed or complete and others were probably saying marria he is a hindrance to faith “
mostly oaulsmletters are sent to correct thinking in the churches about things they argued about and didn’t understand
just the text itself really makes what he’s saying perfectly clear it’s just a matter of whether we can hear it and accept what he’s saying
See that had actually written to Paul and asked him to clarify this issue the chapter starts like this
“Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.”
1 Corinthians 7:1 KJV
He’s answering a letter from them over issues they were conflicted about his answer is what follows to the end there of the chapter
“Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.”
1 Corinthians 7:2
He then instructs that married couples shouldt deny the others marital wants and needs only during a
Mutual time of prayer thoroughbred e next few verses then he continues and touches on other points regarding his answer
He then explains what if one is an unbeliever and thoer spouse isn’t ? He explains that then moves on to other points
“Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called. But this I say, brethren, the time is short: it remaineth, that both they that have wives be as though they had none; and they that weep, as though they wept not; and they that rejoice, as though they rejoiced not; and they that buy, as though they possessed not; and they that use this world, as not abusing it: for the fashion of this world passeth away. But I would have you without carefulness. He that is unmarried careth for the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please the Lord: but he that is married careth for the things that are of the world, how he may please his wife. There is difference also between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please her husband. And this I speak for your own profit; not that I may cast a snare upon you, but for that which is comely, and that ye may attend upon the Lord without distraction.”
1 Corinthians 7:20, 29-35
and so on Paul’s covering questions they had that were becoming issues within the group but yeah probably they married younger I assume also I’m not saying your wrong just that isn’t what any of the scripture there is about
Paul implies the contents of the letter they wrote had to do with whether it was good for a man not to touch a woman. Should Christians be celibate? It is, but Paul says to prevent fornication, let every man have his own wife and every woman her own husbands. This should help prevent 'burning.' And some people 'cannot contain' and need to marry.
So even if it probably isn't the exact question Paul was answering--- about teens marrying--- Paul's writings apply. If 18-year-old believers are burning with passion, then shouldn't they marry a fellow believer as soon as they can.
There are a lot of other issues and other scriptures to consider. A man needs to be willing to support his own. A woman needs a man who takes that to heart. Husbands are supposed to love their wives as Christ loved the church. So a woman needs a man who can do that. A man finding a woman he finds loveable can also help him with that. Wives are supposed to submit to their husbands, and finding a woman willing to do that may be difficult (especially in this day and age.) And Christ's teachings on divorce and remarriage are quite strict by modern standards, so one needs to find a partner willing to obey Christ on this issue.
So even if it probably isn't the exact question Paul was answering--- about teens marrying--- Paul's writings apply. If 18-year-old believers are burning with passion, then shouldn't they marry a fellow believer as soon as they can.
There are a lot of other issues and other scriptures to consider. A man needs to be willing to support his own. A woman needs a man who takes that to heart. Husbands are supposed to love their wives as Christ loved the church. So a woman needs a man who can do that. A man finding a woman he finds loveable can also help him with that. Wives are supposed to submit to their husbands, and finding a woman willing to do that may be difficult (especially in this day and age.) And Christ's teachings on divorce and remarriage are quite strict by modern standards, so one needs to find a partner willing to obey Christ on this issue.
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some good thoughts there amen
“Paul implies the contents of the letter they wrote had to do with whether it was good for a man not to touch a woman”
What does he say though rather than looking for implications we have to simply read the whole chapter is the thing he makes aeveral
Points he shifts it’s focus several times also “to the married I say “ to virgins I say “ to married men I say “ and Tom married women I say , to unmarried women I say “ to widows I say “
we can just learn from it rather than interpreting it’s a oractical
Chapter answering thier issues and questions they wrote to him about. We don’t know what they specifically asked him but we can see what he answered them practically
“Paul implies the contents of the letter they wrote had to do with whether it was good for a man not to touch a woman”
What does he say though rather than looking for implications we have to simply read the whole chapter is the thing he makes aeveral
Points he shifts it’s focus several times also “to the married I say “ to virgins I say “ to married men I say “ and Tom married women I say , to unmarried women I say “ to widows I say “
we can just learn from it rather than interpreting it’s a oractical
Chapter answering thier issues and questions they wrote to him about. We don’t know what they specifically asked him but we can see what he answered them practically
Surely you don't pray that way. "Father, your grace and everlasting heavenly rewards are insufficient for me. Send wife now please." 
It's not good for man to be alone- you might be "a man", but you're not "man", man. God is sufficient, and 1000 wives are nothing without the Lord.
I get that you might be grieving your loneliness or singleness or something; you've certainly made enough threads on this subject to where it seems like this is more than a bible discussion; which is fine. For the sake of your own rest, I implore you to consider other interpretations of the scriptures you are leaning on, which are being discussed.
I don't know why someone would need to have the facts of sleeping alone explained to them; unless they are unaccustomed to sleeping alone for some reason, which I imagine could be problematic, but not an unmovable obstacle.
Why does the state require certifications and licenses to drive on the road?
It's not good for man to be alone- you might be "a man", but you're not "man", man. God is sufficient, and 1000 wives are nothing without the Lord.
I get that you might be grieving your loneliness or singleness or something; you've certainly made enough threads on this subject to where it seems like this is more than a bible discussion; which is fine. For the sake of your own rest, I implore you to consider other interpretations of the scriptures you are leaning on, which are being discussed.
I don't know why someone would need to have the facts of sleeping alone explained to them; unless they are unaccustomed to sleeping alone for some reason, which I imagine could be problematic, but not an unmovable obstacle.
Why does the state require certifications and licenses to drive on the road?
Depends on what you mean by "ready"... even if you live in a culture where giving in marriage is still practiced: biblically you cannot be giving someone who has not yet believed, (and definitely not to a non-believer.) You can't just be like "yep, she's 18 boys, time to get'er while she's hot!", that's not how it should work at all, that's nuts.
Surely you don't pray that way. "Father, your grace and everlasting heavenly rewards are insufficient for me. Send wife now please."
It's not good for man to be alone- you might be "a man", but you're not "man", man. God is sufficient, and 1000 wives are nothing without the Lord.
I get that you might be grieving your loneliness or singleness or something; you've certainly made enough threads on this subject to where it seems like this is more than a bible discussion; which is fine. For the sake of your own rest, I implore you to consider other interpretations of the scriptures you are leaning on, which are being discussed.
I don't know why someone would need to have the facts of sleeping alone explained to them; unless they are unaccustomed to sleeping alone for some reason, which I imagine could be problematic, but not an unmovable obstacle.
Why does the state require certifications and licenses to drive on the road?
It's not good for man to be alone- you might be "a man", but you're not "man", man. God is sufficient, and 1000 wives are nothing without the Lord.
I get that you might be grieving your loneliness or singleness or something; you've certainly made enough threads on this subject to where it seems like this is more than a bible discussion; which is fine. For the sake of your own rest, I implore you to consider other interpretations of the scriptures you are leaning on, which are being discussed.
I don't know why someone would need to have the facts of sleeping alone explained to them; unless they are unaccustomed to sleeping alone for some reason, which I imagine could be problematic, but not an unmovable obstacle.
Why does the state require certifications and licenses to drive on the road?