The remnant

[persistent]

wow sounds like some trials brother , what do you mean “ met your father the third time ?” Your dad wasn’t around in life you mean ? That's a tough one that a lot of Folk seem to have these days I notice I’m sorry to hear that have you ever saw the movie “ show us the father “ ?

I saw it about a year ago it’s a few different Christian testimonies and stories who went through not having a father present in life and how they have come closer to God through thier experiences and learning of thier true father also sort of cinematic telling of a well Known parable pretty worthwhile movie

Life can be a tough flight to avoid all the turbulence and enemy fire sometimes we can really take a hit and even go down for a time but Jesus always seems to have a parachute we didn’t know about , and a plan to get us home when we go down brother

I used to hate the hard times we all come through but in the end it’s part of the journey that leads to Jesus who then can lead us home

We really need to always broaden our view. I can only suppose that early on God was somehow intervening in my life as too many events could have been fatal and not having a father at home was apparently meant to be and now Psalm 73 is possibly more understandable to me. I read quite a bit of the Bible (KJV) during the early to mid 70's but didn't get that much understanding. King's English???Twilight Zone did a show about a street vendor who always sold his customers 'just what they needed'. Where did that idea come from? Boy is this a confusing post? By the way I just posted a testimony if you're interested it may explain some of my 'tilt'.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Then Romans 11:25-36 would be utterly meaningless. So explain the meaning of that passage.

We first have to consider that God changed Jacob's name to be no more called Jacob, but to be called Israel (Gen 32:28) Most of God's elect people, when reading about Israel, apply it to mean the nation of Israel, when it usually is referring to Jacob as Israel..

Jacob represents God's elect people (Rom 9:11).

By reading the whole chapter of Romans 11, it gives us a clearer picture of God's elect. In Rom 9:27 we find that God's elect are too numerous to count being as many as the sand of the sea (all of God's elect who are saved=delivered eternally by Christ's death on the cross), and a remnant of them shall be saved=delivered from their ignorance of the righteousness of God, giving them the knowledge of what his Son accomplished on the cross, for those that he gave him, by delivering them from their sins.

Rom 11:5-7 - Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace, and if by grace, then it is no more of works. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work. What then? Israel ( those elect that are not included in the remnant) hath not obtained that he seeketh for; but the election (remnant) hath obtained it, and the rest (of the elect) were blinded. (even though they are blinded to the truth of what Christ has accomplished on the cross, and are going about trying to establish their own righteous by their works [ Rom 10:3], they still have their eternal inheritance of heaven [Rom 11:26]).

Those elect who are not included in the remnant are considered to be the "lost sheep of the house of Israel (Jacob)" Matt 10:6.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

sounds good brother , “ we’re all a bit different have differences and strengths weaknesses ect “ to summarize so I totally understand what your saying and really respect it God bless

Exactly, and our combined strengths are what make up a "body" of strengths. I wish that we would all come to think of this daily as we attempt to interact with one another. Using myself as an example, I know virtually nothing about Eschatology. Why? Because Understanding, Knowledge, and Wisdom have NOT been extended to me by our Powerful God. I do no excel in this Biblical area and I have no desire (to excel). There are many others that have this doctrine understood . . . but what the Lord HAS given me, is the passion to express the concept that separates a person from Death and Life, and that doctrine is Spiritual Circumcision . . . the Circumcision of Christ. This is the "Heart" of the Gospel, and this notion has been implanted into me with the expectation that I will never abandon it, nor will I ever stop "preaching" about it.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Rom 9:6 - Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel

Jacob as Israel, has nothing to do with the 12 tribes. Those that Jacob/Israel represents are God's elect (Rom 9:11).

the twelve tribes are jacobs twelve sons , the line of Judah is the line to follow when jacob blessed his twelve sons when he was dying

“Judah is a lion's whelp: From the prey, my son, thou art gone up: He stooped down, he couched as a lion, And as an old lion; who shall rouse him up? The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, Nor a lawgiver from between his feet, Until Shiloh come; And unto him shall the gathering of the people be.

Binding his foal unto the vine, And his ass's colt unto the choice vine; He washed his garments in wine, And his clothes in the blood of grapes:

His eyes shall be red with wine, And his teeth white with milk.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭49:9-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

judahs line leads to Jesus the lion of the tribe of Judah. Judah is one of jacobs twelve sons who were blessed before the promised land making one of the 12 tribes of the children of Israel the tribe of Judah.

before the gospel the Old Testament was all the world had it’s where the 144000 come from but notice after the tribes are numbered then we see gentiles appear from all nations with them , they don’t replace the tribes but they appear on the kingdom with them now everyone’s included not only Israelites by flesh but everyone is now included in one heavenly kingdom


“And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.

After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; and cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭7:4-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

But the 144000 are still there also after they are numbered early on

“And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: and they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭14:1-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

They are all of the tribes of jacob ( two have been grafted in and altered in johns vision long story )

the twelve tribes of Israel are important to God it is they who were first called his children

“Ye are the children of the LORD your God: ye shall not cut yourselves, nor make any baldness between your eyes for the dead.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭14:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

He’s been redeeming people who belong to him always

I think that I am in agreement with you in the fact that Jacob, as Israel (God changing his nem to be Israel) includes the 12 tribes, bur also includes God's elect out of every kindred, and tongues, and people, and nation.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Isa.1:9 Except the Lord of hosts had left unto us a very small remnant, we should have been as Sodom, and we should have been like unto Gomorrah.
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24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.

26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.

27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:

28 For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth.

29 And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha.

30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.

31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.

32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

Sounds good, but I hope that you understand that those of God's elect that have not attained to the law of righteousness, have not lost their inheritance of heaven that was secured for them by Christ's death on the cross.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

You have to go back to first usage, a good principle in understanding the bible.

The first mench of the remnant was the matter of Elijah versus the apostacy of Israel during the evil reign of Ahab and Jezebel. They were the 7, 000 who did not bend the knee to baal or kiss him.

Their purpose was to keep the testimony alive and to be instrumental in turning the whole nation back to the worship of Jahweh God.

They are tokens that God has not turned His back on Israel and that one day they will return to Him.

Many of God's elect children fail to realise that Jacob, whose name was changed by God to be no more called Jacob, but to be called Israel (Gen 32:28) is representative of God's elect (Rom 9:11). When reading the scriptures that contain the word "Israel" they apply it to mean the nation of Israel instead of Jacob/Israel.

 

[studentoftheword]

Good Read here for anyone interested ----read all---- just posting this part

https://www.cgg.org/index.cfm/library/article/id/544/remnant.htm

The Remnant
by Richard T. Ritenbaugh

The biblical writers mention at least seven different remnants:

1) Survivors of any catastrophe (e.g., Lot survived Sodom).
2) A group of non-Israelite survivors (e.g., "the remnant of Edom," Amos 9:12).
3) Israelite survivors of the Assyrian invasion in 721-718 BC .
4) Jewish survivors of the Babylonian invasion in 585 BC .
5) The remnant of Jews who returned to Judah from Babylon.
6) The remainder of physical Israelites and Jews after the Great Tribulation.
7) The remnant of converted sons of God in the last days.​

 

[persistent]

Good Read here for anyone interested ----read all---- just posting this part

https://www.cgg.org/index.cfm/library/article/id/544/remnant.htm

The Remnant
by Richard T. Ritenbaugh

The biblical writers mention at least seven different remnants:

1) Survivors of any catastrophe (e.g., Lot survived Sodom).​

2) A group of non-Israelite survivors (e.g., "the remnant of Edom," Amos 9:12).​

3) Israelite survivors of the Assyrian invasion in 721-718 BC .​

4) Jewish survivors of the Babylonian invasion in 585 BC .​

5) The remnant of Jews who returned to Judah from Babylon.​

6) The remainder of physical Israelites and Jews after the Great Tribulation.​

7) The remnant of converted sons of God in the last days.​

I've got a bad taste over WCG from around 1974 and view them as a cult. How is CGG different. I try to stay open minded do you? Seems that WCG was focused primarily on charismatic and erudite leaders. My involvement was my first exposure to anything other than Catholicism (RCC). My attitude toward 'religion' was always antagonistic and it seems that WCG only temporarily refocused my antagonism but overall it still remained.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I agree with you 100% and from 1971-1976, approximately, I was involved with the Armstrong cult. Not strong ties but they baptized me. Twice!! I was told the first time it didn't take and needed to be baptized again. Go Figure. The first minister that baptized me was surnamed Greene or GREEN and one time he let me have a taste of the white lightning his father distilled. Very good stuff! That was in Indiana. Then a minister Carl in Illinois baptized me about 2 yrs later. Then about 1975 I took a class in political science, which I don't think I completed as I have always been a 'reluctant' student, at the Armstrong college in Pasadena, Ca., and that year minister Carl was visiting his alma mater and had a car wreck on GREEN Street. Not serious and I didn't think about it until maybe just last year. A little coincidence. When I keep seeing these things I start realizing God was either having me 'watched' or 'signaling' me. But I was too busy playing the fool and took at least 40 yrs. to respond. Like Israelites in the wilderness? I will tell the teacher at HoJ that either he will convert me or I will convert him. And now with the help I get on this site I feel the Holy Spirit is 'truly' giving me 'some' guidance. I have never communicated like this before in my life and no longer feel like praying is a crazy thing to do. Which reminds me that when I prayed earlier today it was the first time I asked about hearing the 'True Shepherds' voice and I am sort of hoping that has something to do with "breaking strongholds' . Do you know anything about 'strongholds'? I first heard about it from a tv preacher in Indiana and on this site twice.

Um I know that Jesus tells us this is the stronghold in us

“For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: all these evil things come from within, and defile the man.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭7:21-23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and it has been our problem since the knowledge of good and evil caused this

“And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:5-6‬ ‭

And I know his word in Christ can take those those of hearts and teach them

“For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

so to conquer strongholds we need to accept Gods word and it tells us where those strong holds have rooted and where the battle ground is


“For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh: (for the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holdscasting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭10:3-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

you’ve heard the scripture “ the kingdom is within you “?

to overcome a stronghold we have to convert from Moses to Christ from flesh command to spiritual command

“Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:

but I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭5:27-28‬ ‭KJV‬‬

remember where evil comes from ?

“from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries,”

The reason we sin is because our heart and mind is corrupt in the world , it happened when man didn’t believe God and took the forbidden knowledge of good and evil it caused this inside man

“I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: but I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:21-23‬ ‭KJV‬‬


This isn’t meant to be the case we aren’t supposed to know both good and evil but we’re meant to know and believe truth Gods word being those made in his image Gods word is meant to be our thoughts and heart not a conflict between good and evil it’s why he told them

“And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2:16-17‬ ‭

see Gods Will was to put Adam into Eden and then he told him of the only danger because good and evil is t meant to be inside us God knew it would bring sin and death but they didn’t believe after Satan spoke to them they took his word instead and ate the fruit of good and evil and then God cast them out of Eden

now Satan has us in a snare , having corrupted us at heart and mind that law of sin inside our heart that’s the stronghold in us we simply need to allow the truth of Christ into our mknd and heart

some have lust , others have greed , others pride , others grudge bearing and Unforgiving , ect we each have things in us hat we need to let go of sexual lust is just an obvious example , the love of money and worldly things probably the most common. But if you notice Jesus doctrine is always focused inward where our problems are that cause us to act on sin

if we repent in the heart recognizing the inner things he taught us it is like breaking the bonds because of you overcome thinking about adultery , fornication fantasy and imagination of evil we no longer have motivation or reason to do those things we can overcome but not by our Will to overcome

we can overcome by faith the stronghold is why we sin the solution is to let the gospel be true and hesr and believe and learn and grow and the key of all of it is once you believe start applying it to daily life he really just teaches us how to live a decent life that’s helpful and good and kind to others he really doesn’t make us jump through hoops

just wasn’t us to start following the lord but the first step is for us to come to and learn from the gospel Jesus taught sinners to believe and learn from cause sadly that’s us , those sinners who need to do this

“Then drew near unto him all the publicans and sinners for to hear him.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭15:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and even more fortunately we aren’t the ones scoffing at him because he is saving “those “ ole sinners way over there who don’t deserve to be included

“And the Pharisees and scribes murmured, saying, This man receiveth sinners, and eateth with them.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭15:2‬ ‭

almost “ ewwwww cooties “ they were so blind
to summarize this needs to happen

“that ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;

and be renewed in the spirit of your mind;( that’s where the gospel comes in )

and that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭4:22-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Good Read here for anyone interested ----read all---- just posting this part

https://www.cgg.org/index.cfm/library/article/id/544/remnant.htm

The Remnant
by Richard T. Ritenbaugh

The biblical writers mention at least seven different remnants:

1) Survivors of any catastrophe (e.g., Lot survived Sodom).​

2) A group of non-Israelite survivors (e.g., "the remnant of Edom," Amos 9:12).​

3) Israelite survivors of the Assyrian invasion in 721-718 BC .​

4) Jewish survivors of the Babylonian invasion in 585 BC .​

5) The remnant of Jews who returned to Judah from Babylon.​

6) The remainder of physical Israelites and Jews after the Great Tribulation.​

7) The remnant of converted sons of God in the last days.​

amen there’s a narrative to be found in the prophets regarding a particular remnant the remnant who would survive the destruction of Jerusalem and carry forth the gospel from Jerusalem

In e prophets the story is told in intricate detail this is just one of many explaining what happened and why

“And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, Son of man, set thy face toward the mountains of Israel, and prophesy against them, and say, Ye mountains of Israel, hear the word of the Lord GOD; Thus saith the Lord GOD to the mountains, and to the hills, to the rivers, and to the valleys;

Behold, I, even I, will bring a sword upon you, and I will destroy your high places. And your altars shall be desolate, and your images shall be broken: and I will cast down your slain men before your idols.

And I will lay the dead carcases of the children of Israel before their idols; and I will scatter your bones round about your altars. In all your dwellingplaces the cities shall be laid waste, and the high places shall be desolate; that your altars may be laid waste and made desolate, and your idols may be broken and cease, and your images may be cut down, and your works may be abolished.

And the slain shall fall in the midst of you, and ye shall know that I am the LORD. Yet will I leave a remnant, that ye may have some that shall escape the sword among the nations, when ye shall be scattered through the countries. And they that escape of you shall remember me among the nations whither they shall be carried captives, because I am broken with their whorish heart, which hath departed from me, and with their eyes, which go a whoring after their idols: and they shall lothe themselves for the evils which they have committed in all their abominations.

And they shall know that I am the LORD, and that I have not said in vain that I would do this evil unto them. ( they kept saying God would never do that evil he has said he would do if we don’t repent )

Thus saith the Lord GOD; Smite with thine hand, and stamp with thy foot, and say, Alas for all the evil abominations of the house of Israel! for they shall fall by the sword, by the famine, and by the pestilence.

He that is far off shall die of the pestilence; and he that is near shall fall by the sword; and he that remaineth and is besieged shall die by the famine: thus will I accomplish my fury upon them. Then shall ye know that I am the LORD, when their slain men shall be among their idols round about their altars, upon every high hill, in all the tops of the mountains, and under every green tree, and under every thick oak, the place where they did offer sweet savour to all their idols.

So will I stretch out my hand upon them, and make the land desolate, yea, more desolate than the wilderness toward Diblath, in all their habitations: and they shall know that I am the LORD.”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭6:1-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the remnant ended up bieng those who carried the gospel into the nations who survived the destruction of Jerusalem as 67-70 after that was the dispersion of Christian’s and Jews into all the rest of the earth even unto today they would accomplish this

“and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And ye are witnesses of these things. And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭24:47-49‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Early Believers in Christ from Israel are the Remanant of reference regarding salvstion offered in him and the filling of thier covenant curse

 

[persistent]

Um I know that Jesus tells us this is the stronghold in us

“For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: all these evil things come from within, and defile the man.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭7:21-23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and it has been our problem since the knowledge of good and evil caused this

“And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:5-6‬ ‭

And I know his word in Christ can take those those of hearts and teach them

“For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

so to conquer strongholds we need to accept Gods word and it tells us where those strong holds have rooted and where the battle ground is


“For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh: (for the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holdscasting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭10:3-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

you’ve heard the scripture “ the kingdom is within you “?

to overcome a stronghold we have to convert from Moses to Christ from flesh command to spiritual command

“Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:

but I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭5:27-28‬ ‭KJV‬‬

remember where evil comes from ?

“from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries,”

The reason we sin is because our heart and mind is corrupt in the world , it happened when man didn’t believe God and took the forbidden knowledge of good and evil it caused this inside man

“I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: but I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:21-23‬ ‭KJV‬‬


This isn’t meant to be the case we aren’t supposed to know both good and evil but we’re meant to know and believe truth Gods word being those made in his image Gods word is meant to be our thoughts and heart not a conflict between good and evil it’s why he told them

“And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2:16-17‬ ‭

see Gods Will was to put Adam into Eden and then he told him of the only danger because good and evil is t meant to be inside us God knew it would bring sin and death but they didn’t believe after Satan spoke to them they took his word instead and ate the fruit of good and evil and then God cast them out of Eden

now Satan has us in a snare , having corrupted us at heart and mind that law of sin inside our heart that’s the stronghold in us we simply need to allow the truth of Christ into our mknd and heart

some have lust , others have greed , others pride , others grudge bearing and Unforgiving , ect we each have things in us hat we need to let go of sexual lust is just an obvious example , the love of money and worldly things probably the most common. But if you notice Jesus doctrine is always focused inward where our problems are that cause us to act on sin

if we repent in the heart recognizing the inner things he taught us it is like breaking the bonds because of you overcome thinking about adultery , fornication fantasy and imagination of evil we no longer have motivation or reason to do those things we can overcome but not by our Will to overcome

we can overcome by faith the stronghold is why we sin the solution is to let the gospel be true and hesr and believe and learn and grow and the key of all of it is once you believe start applying it to daily life he really just teaches us how to live a decent life that’s helpful and good and kind to others he really doesn’t make us jump through hoops

just wasn’t us to start following the lord but the first step is for us to come to and learn from the gospel Jesus taught sinners to believe and learn from cause sadly that’s us , those sinners who need to do this



and even more fortunately we aren’t the ones scoffing at him because he is saving “those “ ole sinners way over there who don’t deserve to be included

“And the Pharisees and scribes murmured, saying, This man receiveth sinners, and eateth with them.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭15:2‬ ‭

almost “ ewwwww cooties “ they were so blind
to summarize this needs to happen

“that ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;

and be renewed in the spirit of your mind;( that’s where the gospel comes in )

and that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭4:22-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Lots good you say here. Some funny too...ewwwww.LoL I went to AA but seems like something you point out hear is MUCHO better.
“Then drew near unto him all the publicans and sinners for to hear him.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭15:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬ Even though we have 2 ears its up to God to give us a desire to listen. I called the local AoG affiliate today and was right off told that 'strong holds' is as you put
“For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh: (for the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holdscasting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭10:3-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬
About breaking ties with the satanic influence and two of the posters on this site gave me the same reply but not 2Cor.10. And what about fasting????? I heard a tv preacher talk about strong holds not long ago but blew him off and now I am trying to get hold of him for his take.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

“For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: all these evil things come from within, and defile the man.”

If we ever wondered what would change within a person AFTER receiving the Spiritual Circumcision of Christ, this is the perfect description.

The above is our problem . . . thanks Adam and Eve! And it is Jesus who Redeems us of this problem through His Holy Operation of Faith (that sets a person free from confusion so that they can think and respond to the Gospel of their new Spiritual Father).

Thanks for the reminder of this passage. I've just spent the last 45 minutes mulling it over . . . writing about it, etc.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Lots good you say here. Some funny too...ewwwww.LoL I went to AA but seems like something you point out hear is MUCHO better.
“Then drew near unto him all the publicans and sinners for to hear him.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭15:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬ Even though we have 2 ears its up to God to give us a desire to listen. I called the local AoG affiliate today and was right off told that 'strong holds' is as you put
“For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh: (for the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holdscasting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭10:3-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬
About breaking ties with the satanic influence and two of the posters on this site gave me the same reply but not 2Cor.10. And what about fasting????? I heard a tv preacher talk about strong holds not long ago but blew him off and now I am trying to get hold of him for his take.

yes I believe fasting is a principle but like everything else it’s become spiritual and not physical everything they used to do has become a spiral commandment in light of the gospel

we fast from the influences we crave in the world just a crude example but suppose a Christian had been watching pornography for some time , this is going to without fail cause a perversion of the mknd and heart , it’s going to create desires and thoughts one wouldn’t have even thought if they hadn’t been watching this sinful thing

this can become part of thier character and nature and eventually it’s a perversion we have to fight hard against all the time because it’s no longer something we looked at it’s now influences how we think how we see people what we want ect now we’re fighting against our own corrupt self and will be in conflict in conscience

if we fast from those types of things that we know aren’t approved of God we know they aren’t for us anymore , then it’s going to be part of the process of breaking the stronghold because we don’t just Will to stop doing something we are coming to Jesus and allowing him to heal the scars and wounds we’ve self inflicted letting the worlds influence into our heart and mind which corrupts man we have a design d it is t to deal with good and evil In our heart it is to be hearers and believers of Gods word it’s how man is designed to operate in creation from the first we are
Meant to hear God and then we know unedited truth “ don’t eat the fruit you will surely die “ this should have been thier golden rule forever but “ that’s not true it will make you wise like gods “ that word became what they thought instead of what God had said

still today we have what Jesus said , and then what everyone else in the world says about why it isn’t true or right or won’t work. Everything from science to theater to intellect tells mankind it’s not true , but God said it and so mans dilemma begins and ends in one point “does God speak truth or doesn’t he ?”

 

[Pilgrimshope]

If we ever wondered what would change within a person AFTER receiving the Spiritual Circumcision of Christ, this is the perfect description.

The above is our problem . . . thanks Adam and Eve! And it is Jesus who Redeems us of this problem through His Holy Operation of Faith (that sets a person free from confusion so that they can think and respond to the Gospel of their new Spiritual Father).

Thanks for the reminder of this passage. I've just spent the last 45 minutes mulling it over . . . writing about it, etc.

“that sets a person free from confusion so that they can think and respond to the Gospel of their new Spiritual Father).


Amen brother we really can be free and really can know what he’s said


“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:31-32, 34, 36‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We can be free of that law of sin that has us captive

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Exactly, and our combined strengths are what make up a "body" of strengths. I wish that we would all come to think of this daily as we attempt to interact with one another. Using myself as an example, I know virtually nothing about Eschatology. Why? Because Understanding, Knowledge, and Wisdom have NOT been extended to me by our Powerful God. I do no excel in this Biblical area and I have no desire (to excel). There are many others that have this doctrine understood . . . but what the Lord HAS given me, is the passion to express the concept that separates a person from Death and Life, and that doctrine is Spiritual Circumcision . . . the Circumcision of Christ. This is the "Heart" of the Gospel, and this notion has been implanted into me with the expectation that I will never abandon it, nor will I ever stop "preaching" about it.

“Exactly, and our combined strengths are what make up a "body" of strengths. I wish that we would all come to think of this daily as we attempt to interact with one another.”

perfectly said brother I also can see what a blessing would be if we could reach that point

when I say we I mean we all of us including me . I’ve noticed a few who really have a good example to show in regards to simply getting along.

for me it’s difficult not to get along but to make sure what we are typing comes across as a good presentation of what we’re saying . See I’m not tech savvy I hadn’t ever been on a social internet site until my nephew made this account for me I don’t have an email haha I’m sort of a dinosaur when it comes to technology like “ the old hippie “ in the song who wishes things were simple but sees it has all changed

what I mean is it’s hard to always know the “tone “ people are presenting or are taking from what a person has intended by writing in text this I feel contributes to disagreeing a lot also we tend to read something , one way with a certain tone perceived and the person writing it has a whole other tone intended

not sure that’s coherantly stated but

I really like that post thanks for sharing

 

[persistent]

yes I believe fasting is a principle but like everything else it’s become spiritual and not physical everything they used to do has become a spiral commandment in light of the gospel

we fast from the influences we crave in the world just a crude example but suppose a Christian had been watching pornography for some time , this is going to without fail cause a perversion of the mknd and heart , it’s going to create desires and thoughts one wouldn’t have even thought if they hadn’t been watching this sinful thing

this can become part of thier character and nature and eventually it’s a perversion we have to fight hard against all the time because it’s no longer something we looked at it’s now influences how we think how we see people what we want ect now we’re fighting against our own corrupt self and will be in conflict in conscience

if we fast from those types of things that we know aren’t approved of God we know they aren’t for us anymore , then it’s going to be part of the process of breaking the stronghold because we don’t just Will to stop doing something we are coming to Jesus and allowing him to heal the scars and wounds we’ve self inflicted letting the worlds influence into our heart and mind which corrupts man we have a design d it is t to deal with good and evil In our heart it is to be hearers and believers of Gods word it’s how man is designed to operate in creation from the first we are
Meant to hear God and then we know unedited truth “ don’t eat the fruit you will surely die “ this should have been thier golden rule forever but “ that’s not true it will make you wise like gods “ that word became what they thought instead of what God had said

still today we have what Jesus said , and then what everyone else in the world says about why it isn’t true or right or won’t work. Everything from science to theater to intellect tells mankind it’s not true , but God said it and so mans dilemma begins and ends in one point “does God speak truth or doesn’t he ?”

What you say sounds right and then too there seem to some things that can be more insidious, proceeding in a gradual, subtle way, but with harmful effects. Technology!? Science!? Think Darwin here. Even modern technology is almost worshipped. I was just watching a video about the water scarcity in the mid-east and people figure they always will have the solution to creating their own version of the perfect world. Floridians probably feel the same way. Ian may be another interrupter to their comfort. Probably not their thinking.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

What you say sounds right and then too there seem to some things that can be more insidious, proceeding in a gradual, subtle way, but with harmful effects. Technology!? Science!? Think Darwin here. Even modern technology is almost worshipped. I was just watching a video about the water scarcity in the mid-east and people figure they always will have the solution to creating their own version of the perfect world. Floridians probably feel the same way. Ian may be another interrupter to their comfort. Probably not their thinking.

amen technology has become like the Old Testament idols. I was at a dr appointment a while ago and sitting in the waiting room I reached and grabbed my pocket Bible and set to read a few minutes , when I sat down I glanced around the room and all. But one of the several people waiting were glued to thier phone screen with such an intense focus on tbier faces

the other person who wasn’t looking at her phone caught eye contact with me and smiled so I smiled back at her and went to reading a bit I looked up again lol and she was looking very puzzled around at all of the people still staring intently at thoer ohones having an Inquisitive look of bewilderment on her face

in that moment it seems she and I were on the same page in our heads just wondering what time has brought upon us with technology.

alot of the things In prophecy call for technology of man to become pervasive in the world in my opinion also and be in many points in opposition to Gods wisdom and word this sets up the destruction of the earth because man has began to think and act as if we are the power we can even fly to the moon they said long ago and the They did it and everyone it seemed watched at the same time

really we were watching a little black and white technology box , that was showing us something happening in space on a different rock all together it’s only because of technology that was possible. But it’s also made man too proud to self reliant we can do anything we think , we can solve any problem we believe we can change the climate , we could colonize mars , we could find some other life in the universe as technology advances (rapidly over the past hundred or so years ) from riding horses to driving cars to flying planes

from tin types some could make for us to smart phone hd cameras in everyone’s hand

from mom dad and children unit to broken homes and broken families . From sword and cannon and powdered muskets to automatic gatlin guns to hand held machine guns from cannon to nuclear weapons capable of destroying the earth with sudden destruction of fire

there’s always been advancement in knowledge but over the past few hundred years we’ve gone from telegram , to instant communication real time with anyone else In The world who has a. “ device “ connected to the one world web of connectivity through technology

when you to think of the state of the world today much of it is perpetual and only technology has changed. As man advances we are also exalting our own belief of our own selves and forgetting our rightful inheritance as Gods favorite creation and chosen children meant to freely be made subject to him and live forever

technology seems to begat pride and also greed for power and alternate thoughts from Gods which man is made to believe themselves it can also help and aid the spread the truth and life , or can spread lies and destruction false religions cooky political ideology violent extremism ideas ect ect

most things are okay and fine but most thinks depend on how we are partaking tech isn’t bad or good really it’s humans who are bad and good and sin and righreousness is determined as we interact with the world filled with a gods word and glory , and also the darkness and it’s temptations if we let Jesus change us at the heart through faith , then the world becomes a lot more narrow and basic and we won’t abuse things and worship things with our dedication and time meant for God

“Unto the pure all things are pure:

but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.”
‭‭Titus‬ ‭1:15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[persistent]

amen technology has become like the Old Testament idols. I was at a dr appointment a while ago and sitting in the waiting room I reached and grabbed my pocket Bible and set to read a few minutes , when I sat down I glanced around the room and all. But one of the several people waiting were glued to thier phone screen with such an intense focus on tbier faces

the other person who wasn’t looking at her phone caught eye contact with me and smiled so I smiled back at her and went to reading a bit I looked up again lol and she was looking very puzzled around at all of the people still staring intently at thoer ohones having an Inquisitive look of bewilderment on her face

in that moment it seems she and I were on the same page in our heads just wondering what time has brought upon us with technology.

alot of the things In prophecy call for technology of man to become pervasive in the world in my opinion also and be in many points in opposition to Gods wisdom and word this sets up the destruction of the earth because man has began to think and act as if we are the power we can even fly to the moon they said long ago and the They did it and everyone it seemed watched at the same time

really we were watching a little black and white technology box , that was showing us something happening in space on a different rock all together it’s only because of technology that was possible. But it’s also made man too proud to self reliant we can do anything we think , we can solve any problem we believe we can change the climate , we could colonize mars , we could find some other life in the universe as technology advances (rapidly over the past hundred or so years ) from riding horses to driving cars to flying planes

from tin types some could make for us to smart phone hd cameras in everyone’s hand

from mom dad and children unit to broken homes and broken families . From sword and cannon and powdered muskets to automatic gatlin guns to hand held machine guns from cannon to nuclear weapons capable of destroying the earth with sudden destruction of fire

there’s always been advancement in knowledge but over the past few hundred years we’ve gone from telegram , to instant communication real time with anyone else In The world who has a. “ device “ connected to the one world web of connectivity through technology

when you to think of the state of the world today much of it is perpetual and only technology has changed. As man advances we are also exalting our own belief of our own selves and forgetting our rightful inheritance as Gods favorite creation and chosen children meant to freely be made subject to him and live forever

technology seems to begat pride and also greed for power and alternate thoughts from Gods which man is made to believe themselves it can also help and aid the spread the truth and life , or can spread lies and destruction false religions cooky political ideology violent extremism ideas ect ect

most things are okay and fine but most thinks depend on how we are partaking tech isn’t bad or good really it’s humans who are bad and good and sin and righreousness is determined as we interact with the world filled with a gods word and glory , and also the darkness and it’s temptations if we let Jesus change us at the heart through faith , then the world becomes a lot more narrow and basic and we won’t abuse things and worship things with our dedication and time meant for God

“Unto the pure all things are pure:

but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.”
‭‭Titus‬ ‭1:15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

You Got It, I was very big on tech and even used to say my interests in science was my savior. Blasphemy.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

What you say sounds right and then too there seem to some things that can be more insidious, proceeding in a gradual, subtle way, but with harmful effects. Technology!? Science!? Think Darwin here. Even modern technology is almost worshipped. I was just watching a video about the water scarcity in the mid-east and people figure they always will have the solution to creating their own version of the perfect world. Floridians probably feel the same way. Ian may be another interrupter to their comfort. Probably not their thinking.

“then too there seem to some things that can be more insidious, proceeding in a gradual, subtle way,”

amen we’re all to be determined and works in progress eventually we’re going to stand before Jesus and be complete

“Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭3:2

till then we’re here on a path homeward bound

“For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child:

but when I became a man, I put away childish things. For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

And now abideth faith, hope, charity, ( active love )these three;


but the greatest of these is charity.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭13:9-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and so our path is here and those other things not quite clear or calicoes come from the other folks who also are not white complete

“Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; and walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.

But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.

For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Be not ye therefore partakers with them.

For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: (for the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth) proving what is acceptable unto the Lord. And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.

But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light. ( see John 3: 19-21) Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭5:1-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬


We’re not finished yet our lives are about letting the lord do his work in us and us just becoming who he’s made us to be the new born again child of God faith is the key hearing his word in the gospel

 

[Pilgrimshope]

You Got It, I was very big on tech and even used to say my interests in science was my savior. Blasphemy.

yes I’ve noticed with the last generation especially the younger generations they really need and how ghee for technology it’s is that the world has changed it has such an influence on them like a religion should have like a relationship with Christ should have but technology mostly “speaks as a dragon “ if you know the reference but offers subtly comfort to thier sorrows , pleasure in tbier lonely lives sort of “ I’m good for you listen to me I’ll teach you everything you need to know “

online the prevailing accepted beliefs are whatever the masses tell and decide louder in the gospel of the kingdom we all Know what God has said and accept that as our belief rather than whoever wins the debate and yells louder

we could t invent things and advance in technology unless God made us capable but then it sounds in my head like Babel we try to take the ability God has blessed us with and turn it against him and invent our own gods or “be our own gods” rather it seems ever since that “dadbern “ fruit we’ve had a real issue in faith and knowing what to believe and do