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Dude653

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After Sandy Hook shooting I visited the town, I saw the memorials, it would be inconceivable to me that you can have a phony false flag event like that. What a lot of people do not realize is that this town is right next to Bethel. So this event reminded me of the slaughter of the kids in Bethlehem at the time of Jesus birth.
Alex Jones lied and said it didn't happen so you're supporting him because?????
 

ZNP

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Alex Jones lied and said it didn't happen so you're supporting him because?????
What post of mine was supporting Alex Jones?

Why would I judge him, I don't know him and certainly don't know enough to fairly judge him even if I was a judge, which I'm not.

We are supposed to discern the prophets, it you want to include pundits then I could give you a list of those I consider trustworthy.

But I don't listen to others disparage people, I feel everyone is entitled to a hearing with a judge and jury and with the ability to bring forth their own witnesses and evidence. I am not interested in sitting through all that with Alex Jones, so I'll leave that to God.
 

Dude653

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What post of mine was supporting Alex Jones?

Why would I judge him, I don't know him and certainly don't know enough to fairly judge him even if I was a judge, which I'm not.

We are supposed to discern the prophets, it you want to include pundits then I could give you a list of those I consider trustworthy.

But I don't listen to others disparage people, I feel everyone is entitled to a hearing with a judge and jury and with the ability to bring forth their own witnesses and evidence. I am not interested in sitting through all that with Alex Jones, so I'll leave that to God.
He has been demonstrably proven to be a liar in a court of law.
 

ZNP

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He has been demonstrably proven to be a liar in a court of law.
oh, like you accusing me of supporting him was demonstrably false?
 

Dude653

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oh, like you accusing me of supporting him was demonstrably false?
You're quoting him as a credible source when he is a known grifter and con artist
 

ZNP

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You're quoting him as a credible source when he is a known grifter and con artist
No I didn't. Your characterization is misleading.

I said he had said there would be false flag cyber attacks on the US blamed on Russia and a few days later we had cyber attacks on the US blamed on Russia.

Now either you believe that is a coincidence or you don't. I don't believe in coincidences.

It is unnecessary to argue whether or not he is credible, his comments are documented and recorded on these platforms and millions of people have copies of them. This is what is known as evidence and facts, not testimony.

I didn't reference him as a witness, or as a credible witness.

It is a fact that can be proved that he said something would happen which very clearly did happen (cyber attack on the US blamed on Russia).

Now he says that is a false flag, ie, Russia didn't do it. I can't prove that one way or the other. I do have an opinion concerning the motive, and that is that it is every bit as implausible that Russia would want to do this attack as it was that they would want to blow up their own pipeline. So I am certainly not going to listen to these various MSM outlets trying to manipulate the populace like they did with the pipeline. I also don't believe this was a coincidence. But that is the sum of my opinion.

Perhaps you missed the fact that he had predicted this event several days beforehand. I didn't quote him then, that would be using him as a credible witness. However, after the attack came I noted that Alex Jones had predicted this several days earlier, that is evidence.
 

gb9

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You're quoting him as a credible source when he is a known grifter and con artist

yep, such a liar and a con artist , he called covid coming here in jan. 2020 and called the lockdowns and shortages in feb. 2020.

so, because i listen to him and believe the truth he tells, i was prepared when they came.

the man made a mistake with sandy hook and had said so and apologized for it many times.

i have told you this many times.

so, it is not my fault the media will not show you this.
 

ZNP

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yep, such a liar and a con artist , he called covid coming here in jan. 2020 and called the lockdowns and shortages in feb. 2020.

so, because i listen to him and believe the truth he tells, i was prepared when they came.

the man made a mistake with sandy hook and had said so and apologized for it many times.

i have told you this many times.

so, it is not my fault the media will not show you this.
Wow! We are required, as believers, that if someone apologizes to forgive them. Even if he sins against us 70 x 7 times. I am stunned that you have told Dude653 this and he hasn't forgiven him? If Jesus has forgiven us our sins shouldn't we also forgive those that sin against us? Can you imagine having to stand before the Lord with unforgiveness in your heart?
 

Dude653

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yep, such a liar and a con artist , he called covid coming here in jan. 2020 and called the lockdowns and shortages in feb. 2020.

so, because i listen to him and believe the truth he tells, i was prepared when they came.

the man made a mistake with sandy hook and had said so and apologized for it many times.

i have told you this many times.

so, it is not my fault the media will not show you this.
Hewas back pedaling after the fact when he had already been been caught lying and the damage had already been done caught and one of the of damage had been done
The families had to move 10 times due to harassment from Alex Jones followers
 

gb9

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Hewas back pedaling after the fact when he had already been been caught lying and the damage had already been done caught and one of the of damage had been done
The families had to move 10 times due to harassment from Alex Jones followers
a few years ago, an admitted bernie sanders supporter shot up a republican baseball game practice.

how many lawsuits were filed against him??
 

gb9

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it is a straight line comparison.

a guy saying he was a bernie supporter shoots up republicans. no repercussions.

people saying they are alex jones fans harass sandy hook parents. part of the suits against him.

bernie did not say to do that. alex did not do that.

one gets blamed and sued, one does not.
 

ZNP

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Nope. Valid question. You are saying that Alex Jones is responsible for the people who listen to Alex Jones persecuting the victims of that school shooting. The analogy is appropriate.

But there are other analogies, Trump supposedly being responsible for what the Jan 6th protestors did because he supposedly incited them to violence while Schumer and Maxine said much more inciteful comments that really did lead to violence and yet nothing has happened to them. Why aren't they impeached?
 

Dude653

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Nope. Valid question. You are saying that Alex Jones is responsible for the people who listen to Alex Jones persecuting the victims of that school shooting. The analogy is appropriate.
Here's why it's a false analogy.
Alex Jones went on his podcast and said the school shootings didn't happen and that the victims were actors.
This is called defamation
Because of Jones's rhetoric, one of the families had to move 10 times due to harassment that Alex Jones incited
Sanders never defamed or spread false information about anyone which would have led to a shooting.
So there's absolutely nothing connecting Sanders to the actions of the shooter
Hope that helps
 

ZNP

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Here's why it's a false analogy.
Alex Jones went on his podcast and said the school shootings didn't happen and that the victims were actors.
This is called defamation
Because of Jones's rhetoric, one of the families had to move 10 times due to harassment that Alex Jones incited
Sanders never defamed or spread false information about anyone which would have led to a shooting.
So there's absolutely nothing connecting Sanders to the actions of the shooter
Hope that helps
it doesn't. Now if you have a recording of him telling listeners to go persecute those phonies claiming their kids were killed and then later celebrating their actions on his podcast, that certainly would make him accountable for their actions.

Like I said, Maxine Waters and Chuck Schumer were recorded saying much more hateful and inciteful things than anything Trump said on Jan 6th and yet Trump was impeached and they weren't. None of the protestors on Jan 6th were guilty of looting, or burning down a federal building, or murder. Yet many of those incited by Maxine and Schumer were.

the problem with this speech is that it isn't hate, nor is it inciting the actions you want them to be held accountable for. The problem is that it falls short of the prescription in Philippians.

8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.
 

Dude653

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it doesn't. Now if you have a recording of him telling listeners to go persecute those phonies claiming their kids were killed and then later celebrating their actions on his podcast, that certainly would make him accountable for their actions.

Like I said, Maxine Waters and Chuck Schumer were recorded saying much more hateful and inciteful things than anything Trump said on Jan 6th and yet Trump was impeached and they weren't. None of the protestors on Jan 6th were guilty of looting, or burning down a federal building, or murder. Yet many of those incited by Maxine and Schumer were.
The difference is Alex Jones excited the harassments of these families by defaming them on his podcast.
Bernie Sanders didn't incite anything.